Talk:Counting Crows/Archive 1

Copyediting, and the Act of Counting Crows
The definite article "The" appears not to be part of the band's name, so I have removed it from the first paragraph. It appears the name "Counting Crows" does not denote "crows which happen to be counting" but rather "the act of determining how many crows are present", as explained in the song "A Murder of One":
 * ...casting shadows on the winter sky/As you stood there counting crows/One for sorrow, two for joy...

Murder meaning, in this context, a flock of crows, which are being counted. &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  06:47, Jan. 4, 2006


 * actually, I think the band once joked about changing their name to "The Counting Crows" a while back. They were joking about bands like the Hives and the Strokes and the Vines.  I'm having trouble finding the website I read that on, but they basically said that they were going to add "the" to their name because all these other bands were having such great success with it.  And then one of the band members remarked that he thought the "the" was always there.  it was humorous, but it makes for a confusing time trying to figure out what the official name is--Cwiddofer 06:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyediting2
I have done some major copyediting on this article. In addition going through and rewording what was lacking in clarity and style, I also cut some out. First, I removed this from after Two Weeks Notice: "starring Hugh Grant and Sandra Bullock." I see that as kind of distracted from the focus of the article. Also, I removed the sentence:
 * A North Carolina metalcore band, Between the Buried and Me, take their name from a Counting Crows song in the album August and Everything After, "Ghost Train."

If we ever make an "interesting facts" section, this could be added back in, but I really don't see it fitting into this article's current form. I also seek some clarification on this quote in the article: "After adding members, the band was signed to Geffen Records." What members were added at that point? If someone knows, please add that in.

I think this page is properly copyedited now, and if there are no objections within the next few days, I am going to remove the tag. Candybars 12:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

ninja man!???????????????????????
is this a joke or just vandalism, which it would be anyway.

Monkey is not about Courtney Cox
Removed the section about Courtney Cox... AD has said several times that it is not about her, despite rampant speculation to contrary.

EDIT: It is about her. can you link to ANY interview where he says it is not about her?

Are you suggesting that because there is no apparent evidence to the contrary it must be about her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.178.66.123 (talk) 23:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Picture Please??
Could someone please put a picture with this article? thanx Woodgreener 17:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Jones
This song did not reach #5 on the Billboard Hot 100 as it was never released as a single and therefore wasn't at the time eligible to chart at all. See here for proof. Phildav76 11:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

um..
kinda curious about the cia/spook talk ;) guys dont feel like elaborating a little on what you've had to deal with, do ya?

One long ad for the band
A link to Amazon with "Pre-order your copy now" is not appropriate for an encyclopedia! Shame on you, Counting Crows... Can someone please mark this page as sounding like an ad? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.236.11 (talk) 09:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This has been fixed. Thanks to the editors who spotted it. CharlesGillingham 01:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The editor named "User:CountingCrow" has no connection with the band that I am aware of. I have emailed the editors of CountingCrows.com to see if anyone there made the edit. I have also contacted the band's management and record company to see if anyone in their offices made the edit. This edit was personally embarassing to me, and I sincerely hope it was an accident. CharlesGillingham 02:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Be that as it may, this article does read like an ad for the band. Specifically:
 * 1) very little detail on the early, most popular albums
 * 2) excessive detail on the later career. It's not encyclopedic to discuss when Adam Durwitz started thinking about making a new album in 2013.
 * 3) Durwitz' side projects are mixed in with the band. If they're noteworthy, they belong on his personal page under "Other Projects" -- not on the band's page at all, and certainly not in a narrative of the band's later development. Only shared projects of the band belong on this page. 04:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Discography section
Why repeat all the detail here of what's also found in Counting Crows discography? This main article would be improved by having just a simple summary paragraph (e.g., "they've had five studio albums, a compilation, and two live ones, plus some singles and other appearances") and the link to the supporting article. Duplication of this sort of info opens a door for inconsistency, edit wars, etc. Hult041956 (talk) 18:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reduced the content. Charts, sales etc. can stay in the discography. Spellcast (talk) 20:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

"Gimme the thunder gimme the rain": another album?
I have seen at some thousand pages at google plus at lastfm that there is an album called "Gimme the Thunder Gimme the Rain" although I can't find it in allmusic or in a "official-looking" page... Somebody knows anything about this? 85.84.120.160 (talk) 01:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's almost certainly a live bootleg from the 1990s. I might even have it somewhere in my collection. Definitely not a studio release. Otto1970 (talk) 04:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Counting Crows is not plural
"Counting Crows" is the proper name of a group, and is not plural.

Grammatically, "Counting crows" is a verb phrase, similar to "Eating hamburgers" or "Calling a few friends". As such (1) it is not plural, and (2) it should not be preceded by an article (e.g. "the Counting Crows". Consider "The eating hamburgers", or "the calling a few friends").

Pretty much everyone makes these mistakes, including journalists, bloggers, even some of the band member's wives. But Wikipedia should get it right. CharlesGillingham (talk) 11:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I am going to revert your edits for two reasons. (1) Whether you think "is" is more appropriate, "are" is the convention on Wikipedia, mainly because of its fluency and because it isn't, as you say, a mistake. There are no strict guidelines on this. (2) The other reason I'm going to revert is because refer to "Counting Crows" as plural in the rest of the article, with the use of the plural pronoun "they". So if you are going to make grammatical changes you really should have changed the lot. In UK English, "are" is commonly used to refer groups of people even though it could be argued that "is" is more appropriate. Alan 16  talk  13:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I suggest you use this rule: substitute the band name "Nirvana" anywhere you have used the band name "Counting Crows". If it reads correctly with the band name "Nirvana" then the grammar is correct.


 * For example, the first sentence should read "Counting Crows is an American rock band …" as opposed to "The Counting Crows are an American rock band … ". Proof: "The Nirvana are an American rock band" is obviously incorrect. CharlesGillingham (talk) 04:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Howard Stern Reference
Sorry guys I didn't realize you were updating it and there was a discussion page. I added a reference for the howard stern interview to link to youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlowe420 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Suggest merge of Glider (band) to here
Glider (band) appears to be a side project of several Counting Crows members. Currently it does not establish independent notability and is merely a stub. I suggest merging it into this article. --MegaSloth (talk) 00:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

No! Don't merge it here. It's completely different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.58.176 (talk) 14:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There are no independent sources for that article at all. Deleting it is probably the best option at present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.158.109 (talk) 10:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I redirected it. If people revert me then I'll create an AfD for it. For me, that page should either be deleted or be made a redirect/merge.  Enigma msg  22:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Additional musicians
The pages for the band's albums have a lot of additional musicians with red wikilinks: given that they appear to be session musicians who are unlikely to ever have their own WP pages created, does anyone have any objection to me de-linking them? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 21:54, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Across a Wire: Live in New York City
Curious why the live album Across a Wire: Live in New York City does not have its own section. It is just as notable as Live at Town Hall or Films About Ghosts.76.105.208.141 (talk) 01:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Bad Reference to Nervous Breakdown
The existing reference to Adam Duritz's nervous breakdown after August does not talk about Duritz's nervous break down. It reviews the subsequent album and then mentions that a member of a totally separate band had a nervous breakdown.

There are lots of reports that Adam Duritz has a mental illness and had a nervous breakdown, but I can't find anything that directly says he had a nervous breakdown in between his first and second albums. Here's the closest I found:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1181950/Stone-Crows-As-Counting-Crows-tour-UK-frontman-Adam-Duritz-discusses-fame--coping-Kurt-Cobains-death.html

I tried to substitute this reference for the existing one, but I broke the code on the page (I'm a software engineer, but the ref stuff is really hard to grok quickly!), so I just undid it and am leaving this note instead.


 * 1995 was a hard year for Adam, but his "nervous breakdown" was not diagnosed at the time as a genuine DSM-IV condition. I think the sources are speaking loosely about this, at at any rate "nervous breakdown" is not a medical term. His difficulties around 2008-2009 were much more serious, and he was diagnosed as having manic depressive disorder with dissociative disorder. This was probably the root cause of the problems he had in 1995, however I don't think you will find a reliable source that says this, since he was not diagnosed at that time. In my own opinion, the article shouldn't mention "nervous breakdown" outside of quotes.   CharlesGillingham (talk) 00:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I would not consider the Daily Mail to be a reliable source, either. It's a tabloid with a lot of political bias. Need a better source, especially when discussing a living person and speaking about such arguably negative topics. Msalt (talk) 04:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Other appearances section
This "Other appearances" section seems mostly like a collection of non-notable trivia. I moved a couple items about live performances and the songs that are on movie soundtracks are listed on the Discography page. Everything else seems like it could be deleted. - Maximusveritas (talk) 23:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Counting Crows is singular (again)
Could someone please revert the first sentence. It should read "Counting Crows is a … " not "Counting Crows are a ...". "Counting Crows" is a singular proper noun, not a plural noun phrase. (See above.)

I can't edit this article because I am connected to the topic. CharlesGillingham (talk) 04:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

"Einstein on the Beach (For an Eggman)" release
I have doubts about the accuracy of the information in the article "Einstein on the Beach (For an Eggman)", which I raised at Talk:Einstein on the Beach (For an Eggman). I suspect that page doesn't get much traffic, so I thought I'd post another message here in hopes that someone will come join the discussion. —Psychonaut (talk) 08:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Picture of the band
The picture is missing some band members/some are cut off and a new one should be added. Stapmoshun (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Format error
So I'm guessing the little infobox thing to the side of the article is messed up, which means the entire first paragraph of the page is a mess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therealshowkey (talk • contribs) 05:01, 10 October 2018 (UTC)