Talk:County Louth

Name dispute in Irish
There is an ongoing dispute about the Irish name of Louth on this article and that of Louth, County Louth. No citations have ever been provided to suggest the name is still Lughbaidh. Numerous references have been provided to say it is now called Lú. There have been a number of edits and subsequent revisions over the last few months, and attempts at discussions are seemingly being ignored (may not be intentional). I'm hoping we can settle this once and for all. Dan K 20:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It is my understanding from placename signs in the local area, and from lessons taught at local primary and secondary schools that the commonly used name is Lú. I have never heard it referred to as Lughbaidh in over 30 years. User:Batsmyman 28 Sept, 07. —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 17:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This seems a straightforward matter. Just go with the new name Lu - it is clearly favoured by the references. Eiler7 18:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, a thousand car registration plates are unlikely to be wrong! Nevertheless, a reference to the old name alongside the new one would do no harm and may mollify.  Dublinblue (Simon in Dublin) (talk) 16:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed, a referenceto the old name is a good idea, but this information is already included in the Origin section, so I doubt any further reference is needed... batsmyman 08:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

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Origin of name
I have removed the claim that modern day Lú comes from the comparative/superlative form lú of the adjective beag. The boundaries of the modern Irish counties were an invention of the Cromwellians and the ancient name An Lú has nothing whatsoever to do with the size of the land area as invented by the English. Lú is merely a standardisation of Lughbhaidh, the historic spelling used before the revision of Irish spelling rules as laid down in Gramadach na Gaeilge agus Litriú na Gaeilge - An Caighdeán Oifigiúil (Government of Ireland 1958 with reprints). An Muimhneach Machnamhach (talk) 17:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

=Coat of arms= The Coat of arms cited is that of Louth County Council, not the County (I think). There is a difference.

I could be wrong, however, so I recommend some researches this issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.229.15 (talk) 17:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Towns
The claim that Dundalk and Drogheda are "the second and third largest towns in Ireland" is correct but still unfortunate. Many people are not aware of the distinction between towns and cities in the UK and Ireland and will no doubt assume that Dublin has the largest population in Ireland, followed by Dundalk and Drogheda. That is of course very far from the truth. Is it really necessary to have the claim in the article. I fear that it creates a lot of misunderstandings while adding very little, if anything, to the article.JdeJ (talk) 17:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, what is the basis for considering Greenore a town. I've never been but i thought it was small? Phil Nolte (talk) 12:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Notable People
It's interesting that while the notable people of the county include Arthur Morgan of Sinn Fein and Mark Dearey of the Green Party, missing is Dermot Ahern, the minister for Justice. I'm interested to know why. Phil Nolte (talk) 12:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we remove Pierce Brosnan. I know it'd be a pity removing one of the 5 well known people from the the list (and probably the most famous) but according to Brosnan's own wikipedia page, he considers Navan his home town. I know he was born in Louth but to consider him a louth person is a bit of grasping at straws Phil Nolte (talk) 13:09, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I've removed him. He regards himself as a Meath man, from Navan. He never describes himself as a Louth man. It is really stretching things to call him a Louth man. If being a Louth man means someone born in Our Lady of Lourdes in Drogheda on the Louth side of the town rather than the Meath side, that means pretty much everyone in Meath and many in Cavan and Monaghan could be called Louth men and Louth women. That would be nuts. Someone was chancing their arm in including Brosnan. (If Brosnan is a Louth man, then I am, and everyone in Navan is, and everyone in Kells is, and everyone in Trim is, etc.)  195.211.227.117 (talk) 15:28, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

'Former administrative county'
This article stated in the lead that Louth is a 'former administrative county', making it appear that the article is solely historical, and apparently referring to the Louth County Council article for the current county - although that article deals solely with the local authority as such, and does not include geographical, demographic etc information on the county. I can only assume that this confused and somewhat misleading version resulted from someone being aware that the term 'administrative county' no longer has legal force since the passage of the Local Government Act 2001, and assuming that this meant counties had been abolished altogether. In fact a quick perusal of the act will show that the administrative area (a blanket term for the area for which any local authority is responsible) of a county council is stated in the definitions section (Section 2 (1) of the Act) to be a county. Therefore, it is clear that Louth is a county for the purposes of local government law as well as for postal purposes, GAA etc. In fact, to say that it is a 'former administrative county' is quite incorrect - it is still exactly what it was when the term 'administrative county' was in use, but the current term that replaces 'administrative county' for official purposes is quite simply 'county'. 86.160.250.7 (talk) 12:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to agree. Calling the county a former administrative county, gives the impression that the county was abolished or replaced with something else (along the lines of counties in North or say County Dublin). As stated above, it's just a term that's changed. If anything, changes in regaards to the adminstrative function of the county should go on the county council page. --boothy443(r|e|c|t|o) 19:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See lengthy discussion on Wikiproject:Ireland for a fuller treatment of the above. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have had a look there. Most of that seems to be an argument about whether to refer to Ireland or the Republic of Ireland. There is no convincing argument given as to why County Louth, or any other county formerly termed an 'administrative county', no longer exists, and certainly nothing to override the reasonably clear terms of the Local Government Act, 2001. Therefore I have reinstated the reference to it as a county, per the obvious sense of the Act and my reasoning above. That said, if you feel really strongly about it, feel free to change again. 86.160.250.7 (talk) 22:56, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in County Louth
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Reference named "ReferenceA": From Northern Ireland: Census 2011 From Lugh: O'Curry tr., p.193, 192n "Scuabtuinné, that is, the Besom, or Sweeper of the Waves" From Timeline of Real Irish Republican Army actions: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8490551.stm Real IRA 'fired shots at Bessbrook police station' From Timeline of Ulster Volunteer Force actions: The Press Courier, 19 October 1974 From 2008 Irish flash floods: Irish Daily Mirror, Tues 19 August 2008, page 9 From The Dubliners:  From Achaidh Leithdeircc: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ire700.htm From Murder of Jean McConville: </li> <li>From International Standard Book Number: The ISBN Users' Manual International Edition, 6th edition</li> <li>From Centrum Arena (Prestwick): Ayrshire Post,, Prestwick's Centrum Arena is dismantled, 20 February 2009</li> <li>From Celtic polytheism: Caesar, Julius. De bello gallico. VI.13–18.</li> <li>From Status of the Irish language: [Translation] Hardiman, J. – Judicial Review – Supreme Court. Ref : Ó Beoláin v.Fahy [2001] 2 I.R. 279</li> <li>From Orange Order: Johanne Devlin Trew, Place, Culture and Community: The Irish Heritage of the Ottawa Valley, (Newcastle Upon Tyne: Cambridge Scholars 2009): 106.</li> <li>From Timeline of the Irish War of Independence: </li> <li>From Aiken Barracks: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/raiders-steal-tanker-from-army-barracks-29298348.html</li> <li>From Drogheda: Northern Europe: International Dictionary of Historic Places, edited by Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger</li> <li>From Irish round tower: The Round Towers of Ireland by George Lennox Barrow 1979</li> </ul>

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Population and source
In the main article it says the population is according the 2016 census, while the number is from the 2011 census, and so is the source. It seems to be alright in the infobox.--Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 17:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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