Talk:Cowper ministry (1856)

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Requested move 23 March 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. This has been here a while now, and there is not a consensus here that moving to ordinals would be more helpful for years. It was suggested in the conversation that months can be used where year disambiguation is not precise enough. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

– This has been discussed before (e.g. here), but nothing came of it, and a new discussion is needed. The problem with the year-range disambiguation is that more than one government headed by the same person could be both formed and dissolved the same year. That would require the name of a month in the dab. Also, people may not necessarily remember governments by the exact years of their existence, in particular when there are several in just a few years. I think people rather remember them by their ordinal number (if at all ... ), i.e. the WP:COMMONNAME rule would apply. I'll start with this set of articles. If the move goes through, the rest can be moved one by one. HandsomeFella (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Cowper ministry (1856) → First Cowper ministry
 * Cowper ministry (1857–59) → Second Cowper ministry
 * Cowper ministry (1861–63) → Third Cowper ministry
 * Cowper ministry (1865–66) → Fourth Cowper ministry
 * Cowper ministry (1870) → Fifth Cowper ministry
 * Robertson ministry (1860–61) → First Robertson ministry
 * Robertson ministry (1868–70) → Second Robertson ministry
 * Robertson ministry (1875–77) → Third Robertson ministry
 * Robertson ministry (1877) → Fourth Robertson ministry
 * Robertson ministry (1885–86) → Fifth Robertson ministry
 * Martin ministry (1863–65) → First Martin ministry
 * Martin ministry (1866–68) → Second Martin ministry
 * Martin ministry (1870–72) → Third Martin ministry
 * Parkes ministry (1872–75) → First Parkes ministry
 * Parkes ministry (1877) → Second Parkes ministry
 * Parkes ministry (1878–83) → Third Parkes ministry
 * Parkes ministry (1887–89) → Fourth Parkes ministry
 * Parkes ministry (1889–91) → Fifth Parkes ministry
 * Dibbs ministry (1885) → First Dibbs ministry
 * Dibbs ministry (1889) → Second Dibbs ministry
 * Dibbs ministry (1891–94) → Third Dibbs ministry


 * Question – Is this problem of multiple ministries in the same year just hypothetical? Or rare?  Is there a problem you're trying to solve here?  Seems like a hard way to do so, and having the years seems more informative.  Nobody is going to remember these ordinals either, I'd bet.  Dicklyon (talk) 05:33, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * In Category:New South Wales ministries, there are six Askin–Cutler ministries, all in just a few years. The fourth was dissolved in 1973, the fifth was formed and dissolved in 1973, and the sixth was formed in 1973. I'm not aware of any month-year disambiguation anywhere, but I haven't checked all possible categories. But why not switch to something that is sustainable over time? There can be only one "first"; there will not be any ties. And if there would be, for instance, a "First Cowper ministry" in Victoria, I think "(Victoria)" would be a better disambiguator.
 * I guess you could be right on whether people will remember the ordinals, but if an Askin–Cutler ministry did something in 1973, then it could be of interest which one.
 * It can also be noted that the article about current ministry for NSW is called Second Baird ministry.
 * Cheers. HandsomeFella (talk) 09:02, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. I'm skeptical as well.  If the ordinals are truly what scholarly works use and people are familiar with them, fine, but I kind of doubt it.  Years are explanatory and clear, especially when there's more than two or three, and actually seem more "sustainable over time" to me.  If month disambiguation is needed, so be it, although if there was really such a fast succession of ministries, it seems likely that this is a strong candidate for merging into one article anyway with appropriately named redirects - something like Year of the Four Emperors, as I doubt any one government would do enough to fill a full-length article. SnowFire (talk) 18:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


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