Talk:Cradle of civilization

Indus Valley
Removed "The cities were perhaps originally about a mile square in overall dimensions, and their outstanding magnitude suggests political centralization, either in two large states or in a single great empire with alternative capitals. Alternatively, it may be that Harappa succeeded Mohenjo-daro, which is known to have been devastated more than once by exceptional floods. Encyclopædia Britannica http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9039205/Harappa  Harappa (Pakistan) – Britannica Online Encyclopedia | Britannica.com  accessdate 2010-01-09

Firstly, there is no citation for "political centralisation" of indus valley. In fact, majority view is that because of absence of evidence of kings, the society was more decentralised. The second statement I removed regarding "Harappa succeeded Mohenjo-daro" doesn't make any sense in the context.

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The first town in Europe should undoubtedly be mentioned. All artefacts and testimonies from these people don't make them appear "uncivilised" even thought they had no script. AlexBachmann (talk) 23:46, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * None of the sources used state that the Black Sea was the "cradle of western civilization". A key attribute of civilizations first of all is that they possess writing. Yet the Varna culture did not, that's why it's not a considered a true civilization, let alone a "cradle of civilization. Khirurg (talk) 00:07, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to report me after reverting one edit. The first city has to be mentioned. Period. Nobody's saying that they were the "cradle of civilization", however, the mention of the first city in Europe cannot be dismissed. AlexBachmann (talk) 12:18, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't believe what I just read. Nobody's saying they were the cradle of civilization? That's exactly what the text I removed said. Did you also forget that the title of this article is literally "Cradle of civilization"? It's highly debatable that it's the "first city" anyway. That's a very strong claim that needs exceptional sourcing, and even then, what does it have to do with the "cradle of Western civilization"? Did western philosophy, western literature, western democracy, originate there? No, those all originated in Greece and Rome. That's what we're talking about here. Khirurg (talk) 16:02, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

This article is false
It is commonly known & clearly evident that civilisations existed 10,000 years ago and beyond…. why is there NO mention of this? 194.207.141.183 (talk) 05:48, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Excuse me….
Hi there, I’m Gobekli Tepe & I’d like to join this ‘cradle of civilisation’ conversation, or are we not allowed to discuss that part of your timeline yet? 194.207.141.183 (talk) 05:54, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What are your drains like, and do you have writing? There's a form to fill in, you know. Also "cradle" implies a continuing major civilization - how's your local area for that? Johnbod (talk) 11:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Mention of Dec 21, 2023 edit missing
The discussion of the substantive edit, for distinguishing civilizations from power centers, seems missing JessieHenshaw (talk) 04:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)