Talk:Craig Charles

Misc
Craig charles did a super nintendo video (official) in the early 1990's, which came free with the super nintendo, if anyone can find any details it would be most helpful.
 * CC presented 'Super Mario All Stars' for Nintendo in 1993 - it's on Youtube. ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

reverted page due to vandilism

He also hosted a program called "Pub guide to the Universe", or something similar. Anyone got anymore information?
 * It was called 'Amazing Space: The Pub Guide to the Universe' and was set in the Amazing Space Pub. It might have been on National Geographic in 2001. ClareGC (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Liverpool Echo
It has been stated by Liverpool's newspaper, the Liverpool Echo, that Craig has been the victim of a media vendetta, due in part to the campaign of the Mirror

Anyone got a source for this? Personally, I happen to agree with it - but I find it strange that the Echo would say something like that about the Mirror, simply because they're owned by the same company! Similarly, a citation for the Hilary Kingsley quote, and the Rob/Doug response to it (on the "Six of the Best" video boxset, I believe), would be useful. Seb Patrick 16:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Reverted above comment to original wording before vandelism. ClareGC (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Parents
This article states that his father was black and his mother was Irish. Can it be changed to 'his father was (insert correct country of ethnic origin here) and his mother was Irish' OR 'his father was black and his mother was white'. Otherwise it seems like lumping all 'black' people/cultures/nations together, in direct contrast to the detail of nationality given on the (presumably) white mother's heritage. --- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.43.227.18 (talk) 03:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Done ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

More recent picture
It might be better to have a more recent picture of Charles, as he looks quite different now. In that early Red Dwarf picture, he's in his early 20s. Schizmatic 23:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone has updated the photo now. There is very little choice on Wikimedia Commons, if anyone has any more? ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Class A possession charge
There is no mention of the penalty Craig received after being found guilty of Class A possession. Does anyone know what it was? Imprisonment or a fine? - OPaul 22:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone has added this now. ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Protected?
Maybe this article should be protected (or semi-protected) because of all the vandalism.

Cloister the stupid?
Is this really an alter ego? It's more of a one-off joke taking a misinterpretation of the English language by Frankenstein.
 * Agreed. He didn't really play Cloister, he was labeled Cloister.--OPaul 17:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Unprotect
Unprotect it please! It's important that it gets information added to it when it comes to light. I acknowledge that it's only to non-members, but there are fans of CC who will want to add important information but are not members of Wikipedia. Additionally, all the vandalism has only come from two IPs- and judging from the style, both used by the same person. Why do this for the sake of one silly person with a computer? -Dave

Yes, but it takes almost no effort to become a member. Further, we are dealing with a living person's biography, and one would have to err on the side of caution. One could track down this vandal through the IPs and communicate with the ISP providing them, and maybe they would take action against their client (or maybe someone is hacking through their network?), but in the meantime how much slander (or would it be libel) could be rendered against Mr. Charles until that happens? Protecting is a more secure action with this sort of issue. Empath 23:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

- It's libel, because of the medium used to defame CC. Slander is where you might defame CC in a public speech.

Red Dwarf:The Movie
The website is still running, as far as im aware its still in production !!. Needs updates!


 * This isn't a Red Dwarf page Notsharon 03:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Craig Charles's published works
There are two books by Craig Charles I know of:

The Log- and No Other Blue:

I think they should be included I'm just not sure of where to stick them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bride of lister (talk • contribs) 06:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Someone has included these now ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Susan Williams?
Susan Williams was the alter ego of another performance poet, Steven Wells (also known as Seething Wells). Is this an error, or did CC also use the pseudonym?Widmerpool 02:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's probably an error, although it now seems to be a widespread one. For example Comedy Zone include it, but if you compare that with Classic TV hits you'll see it's pretty much word for word the same, and CTVH states the biog has come from here. There's other sites as well, but the biogs do seem to be all derived from the same source, which is here. I'm going to be bold and remove it, as it's more than likely false.  One Night In Hackney 303 02:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Spaced?
Craig charles was not in spaced... correct me if i'm wrong (which i really don't think i am), but he never appeared in that show, also spaced was shot by Channel 4 at the same time the BBC shot series VIII of red dwarf. neither the imdb, wikipedia, or my own scrutinisation of "spaced" has revealed an appearence by this actor. someone with the authority should remove that piece of information...

craig charles cv http://imdb.com/name/nm0153002/

spaced cast list http://imdb.com/title/tt0187664/fullcredits —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.159.30.234 (talk) 05:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

- Just to confirm... He was not in Spaced. 86.140.159.159 01:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Sections
The repeated attempts to add dubiously titled sections are vandalism, as they are nothing more than an attempt to give the article a tabloid look, and give undue weight to the article, and will keep being reverted. One Night In Hackney 303 16:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Strange comments
What on Earth is this about? "Craig Charles died at the hands of a Clubbing to Death gang." It would seem this article needs to be protected, if this sort of thing is happening regularly. 192.84.79.13 12:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Extensive vandalism of page
I've just had a look at this entry (2007-08-06, 01:18 Mountain Standard Time) and would like to note that there have been extensive racist and libellous comments made on the page. Every link appears to have been vandalized, also. Someone please revert it to an earlier version. Azawalli 07:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Cyberzone
We have followed Craig's career for years and I looked him when trying to remember the name of the game show he used to be in - looking up Cyberzone I found this link:

http://www.ukgameshows.com/page/index.php/Cyberzone

Maybe this could be put in the Wikipedia article?

It's a pity there's not more about Craig's performances on Saturday Night Live. We used to enjoy this launch pad for several popular entertainers, some good some bad depending on your viewpoint. What I try to explain to my kids is that the cabbie in Corrie was a 'right on' political stand up which they can't quite believe. It's all part of my conspiracy of how some people pretend to be right on to get a start only to compromise their apparent street cred and go mainstream. Who would have thought this political Brummie poet would end up on the nation's favourite soap? Oh well we love him just the same. 81.86.144.210 19:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll add details of the four appearences I know of (probably in the filmography). 'The best of' both series are available on DVD.ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC) Done

Brummie?!! Scottbrown 14 11:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

LMFAO, the cyberzone. Calm down cyber trash!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.78.41 (talk) 12:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Birth order?
This article says that Charles was the youngest of eleven children but near the end, it says he has a younger brother. What gives? Grandma Roses 17:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've also noticed this. I've placed contradiction templates on the page for craig and his brother. ~Wilflet (talk) 01:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't it an internal contradiction, rather than contradicting an outside article?58.174.177.151 (talk) 08:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed both sentences. Either should be re-instated as soon as we find a reference. Sancho 20:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, mr Sanchez, it looks like we don't meet again. what is that supposed to mean, I hear you ask? Well, it means that you havne't actually done anything about that contradiction. Instead you rely on the hard work of others to reorganise the page (me). Now, I'd like some compensation. 130.220.79.178 (talk) 04:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Craig Charles does have a younger brother. He appeared with Craig on RED DWARF episode TIMESLIDES, playing young Dave Lister. In the episode commentary Craig Charles said that was his brother.Lizspider (talk) 03:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Craig Charles has one older half brother on his mother's side, Jimmy Russell (b. 1959), and two full brothers, Dean (b. 1962, died 2014) and Emile (b.1971). 2.97.140.92 (talk) 20:17, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Robot Wars
Didn't Charles present this show? Didn't spot it on tv-ography. 62.6.161.178 (talk) 21:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * •Yes, he sure did. See the IMDB listing for Robot Wars.  AFAIK he was presenter for it's entire run, or at least from 1999-on as it lists Jeremy Clarkson as 1998.  --150.226.95.18 (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Note to admins re semi-protection
This article is targeted by a persistent long-term vandal using dynamic IPs who adds major BLP violations or othr vandalism, and should really be left semi-protected indefinitely. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303  15:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, it's 'Forty Years of FUNK', not that other word! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.202.67 (talk) 13:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The title's correct. It's a documentary about swearing on British TV in the previous 40 years. CC is interviewed very briefly.ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Funky Bunker denial(s)
Craig Charles famously denied being the former host of "The Funky Bunker" at at least one standup gig in Scotland earlier this decade —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.78.41 (talk) 12:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

liar. 58.174.227.239 (talk) 08:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Your ad hominem attacks reflect poorly on you my friend. Everyone in Scotland I have discussed the issue with is well aware of Charles's attempts to deny hosting The Funky Bunker at a standup gig. I didn't edit it into the article, so what is your problem? You must surf the internet in an uncontrollable rage and lash out at people with whom you arbitrarily disagree. Sad, IMO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.112.222 (talk) 18:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You have some odd friends. 144.136.189.125 (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Current work
editsemiprotected Craig CHarles is currently starring in Coronation street as Lloyd and is preparing to do two more Red Dwarf Episodes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jev2008 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please provide sources. Thank you.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 05:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/news/2008/09/19/new-red-dwarf-specials-confirmed/ Official enough for ya? 58.174.228.85 (talk) 01:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

The Funk and Soul show on radio 6 is now re-named the Craig Charles Funk and Soul Show and is on from 19:00-22:00 on Saturdays, not 18:00-21:00 as detailed on the page. Hope I did this right - it's my first proper interation with Wikipedia!! Source: Dreamer37 (talk) 17:04, 30 January 2010 (UTC)dreamer37
 * It isn't really a source, just a listing of all funk-soul shows. You can do a search on Google, Ask.com, or your preferred search engine to find a source. Thanks! Samwb123Please read 22:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It isn't really a source, just a listing of all funk-soul shows. You can do a search on Google, Ask.com, or your preferred search engine to find a source. Thanks! Samwb123Please read 22:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

The BBC one above is NOT just a list of f/s shows--as of 4/2/2010 it starts with a masthead that reads "Craig Charles Funk and Soul Show". All of the content on the page is about sets done ON the show. This is from the official BBC website--it's a BBC show, what could be more authoritative than the actual BBC website, indicating the show has had Craig's name added to it again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.27.232.30 (talk) 02:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I needed to pair my socks. 144.136.189.125 (talk) 07:42, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Tranmere Rovers
I can't find a reliable source for Charles having played for Tranmere Rovers - it's all over the internet but only sites that are Wiki mirrors are have obviously lifted their information from here. I would have gone ahead and removed it but it seems to have been in the article a long time so I'm a bit wary. At very least a source needs to be added and a distinction needs to be made if he was actualy professional or just a youth team player. For now I'll tag it for citation but one is needed. Keresaspa (talk) 20:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This was resolved below. ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from Jcomega, 18 March 2011
Regarding Craig Charles being a "former professional footballer"

In a recent interview with Robert Llewellyn on Carpool. Craig Charles Carpool - Interview Starting from 14:55 - Craig Charles states that he was not a professional footballer.

Thus I request this edit be made to remove "former professional footballer" from the article.

Jcomega (talk) 01:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done by User:-OOPSIE-. — Bility (talk) 22:35, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca Black
Some one stuck a bunch of Rebecca Black references in there. --71.203.83.107 (talk) 17:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Published works (non-existent first autobiography)
His supposed first autobiography, No Irish, No Niggers does not appear to exist. I suggest the reference be removed until solid evidence of its existence - such as it being on sale, anywhere, or any picture of it - emerges. See also 1. boiled_elephant (talk) 20:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Amazon.co.uk thinks it exists. (But has anybody ever seen an Amazon web page that was error-free?) Penguin have forgotten about it: they deny all knowledge of ISBN 978-0140268614.
 * I've added that the autobiographies are unpublished, and put in a reference to that. I'd prefer they stayed in the article in this state for the time being, since CC has stated that it's written and ready to be published if/when he decides to. I think it's just one book, updated with a new title, but I'm not certain.ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Many years ago I requested a copy of this book via my local library, who would borrow books from other libraries on request. The request came back "The British Library [who are supposed to hold a copy of all books published in the UK] has lost its copy and there are no other copies." So I guess it existed at some point, even if there was no ISBN? 2.97.140.92 (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Edit request from, 8 October 2011
remove category Black British actors add category British Mixed-Race actors/actresses

109.154.29.157 (talk) 20:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There does not seem to be a mixed-race category that I can find, so I am leaving the categories as they are. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:38, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Rape allegation
In the section Rape allegation we read 'During this time, BBC Two were showing repeats of every Red Dwarf episode, and most episodes were edited as the BBC weren't keen to show Charles engaged in any sexual activity.' That implies that most episodes of Red Dwarf showed Charles engaged in sexual activity. Really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.10.146 (talk) 16:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite a few episodes have some comedy sexual references, but I get your point. The statement doesn't seem relevant to the encyclopedia article to me, and it isn't referenced. I'll take it out if noone puts forward a reason to keep it. ClareGC (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC) Sentence removed. Also, the direct quote in this section needs to be (re)referenced as the link is broken. ClareGC (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Is this an adequate resource? http://www.ganymede.tv/2003/05/edit-news-red-dwarf-broadcast/ Point five. 182.239.130.116 (talk) 09:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Returning to filming on 'Corrie' in April 2012
This needs amendment, as returning is very much over and 'Corrie' is an unneeded shortening in this article.

80.2.83.81 (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'll correct both. ClareGC (talk) 06:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Describe as British or English?
Wikipedia's guidelines are here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Opening_paragraph

My thoughts are that he is most well-known for his career in the British entertainment industry (TV and radio), UK media, and for his live appearances (stand-up, DJ gigs, conventions) which are throughout the UK, rather than restricted to England. And that these are the reason he has an entry on Wikipedia. He’s also British by nationality. The only reason I can think to choose English, is that he was born in, and has always lived within, England.

My personal belief is that, as it's a biography of a living person, the article should use the description that the subject identifies most with. We may not have that knowledge though, if interviews, or his own work, haven't covered the topic. His heritage (mother born in Ireland, father in Guyana), and that he regularly refers to himself as ‘black’ and ‘mixed-race', may indicate he'd prefer the broader description of his nationality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClareGC (talk • contribs) 18:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * He is not English. English is not a nationality. Father from Guyana and mother from Ireland and he was born in the United Kingdom. This makes him British nationality. No part of him is English. 2A02:C7C:AC54:9100:7C29:6251:F583:AA8D (talk) 19:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Eh? So people born in Liverpool aren't English?? Do you know how many people in Wikipedia articles are described as "English"? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Filmography - trim needed
The filmography is really bloated. Having every instance on him being interviewed or on a game show is hardly necessary and if anything dilutes the good stuff he's done. I'll try to return for a serious cull at some point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.209.74 (talk) 22:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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WikiProjects
Since Craig Charles has acted in both Red Dwarf and Coronation Street, in addition to the above WikiProjects, would this article be of interest to WikiProject Red Dwarf and WikiProject Coronation Street? Vorbee (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Grammar
This article, after saying that Craig Charles played David Lister in the science fiction sitcom "Red Dwarf" and Lloyd Mullaney, then says "as a soul and funk D.J. on BBC Radio 6 Music". This does not make grammatical sense  -  would it not be better to re-store to the article to what is used to say, and have "He is best known as..." at the start of the article? Vorbee (talk) 06:25, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

False allegations
Two one-off IP editors have removed reliable sources characterising the 1990s charges against Charles as false allegations. There is no indication that the two IPs are related, despite their oddly centred interest in a 25-year-old acquittal. Opening up a section here for anyone to discuss removing the sources again. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Just picking this up again. Of the two sources provided, the BBC doesn't describe the allegations as false, it simply notes that he was acquitted. The Telegraph says very briefly and without further context that he was 'wrongly accused'. I do not feel this meets the standard we need to refer to the allegations against Charles as being false allegations. He was of course acquitted, as the article states, but there is quite a big difference between an acquittal and a false or wrongful allegation. To my mind, we should be cautious about saying people have made false allegations, and the sources available don't really support that as a factual statement rather than as a statement of Charles's view of the matter. The Land (talk) 19:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Date of birth
This source in The Independent says "Craig Charles was born in Liverpool in 1964." A brief search at FreeBMD reveals his birth was likely to have been this one in 3rd quarter, mother's name MeKeown. This is consistent with a date of 11 July 1964. Here's a tweet, from Charles himself, which confirms it. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Current residence
No source cited for change of residence on 7th November by 92.232.190.197, who appears to be a serial vandal. Suggest reverting to previous residence of Altrincham. 81.101.36.184 (talk) 01:19, 2 March 2023 (UTC)