Talk:Craig Taborn/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 06:35, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Comments
 * "While still at university" don't see any need for "still"
 * True. Cut. EddieHugh (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "In 2011, Down Beat chose" perhaps you could just introduce Down Beat along the lines of "jazz magazine" or "American magazine" for us non-experts to determine the significance.
 * "Down Beat magazine"? "Jazz magazine" isn't quite accurate, and "American" might not help. EddieHugh (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I know MOSNUM isn't obligatory for GAN but "than 80 as a " could be "than eighty as a " just to shut me up.
 * WP:NUMERAL allows either to be used. I don't mind: change the 80 and 12 if you prefer. EddieHugh (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It was more the "comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all in figures" clause I was referring to. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Didn't know that one. Thanks. EddieHugh (talk) 09:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "Taborn grew up" I think there'd be no ambiguity if you opted to not repeat his surname here and just opted for "He grew up..."
 * Done. That para is still inelegant, but adequate for now, I think. EddieHugh (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "playing rock, progressive rock, and jazz fusion, before becoming more interested in jazz" lots of genres but yet you only link jazz and that after you've mentioned jazz fusion.
 * Tricky. I cut the links to jazz and then to heavy metal, as I now tend to prefer not linking en masse. Contemporary classical and free jazz remain linked, however... EddieHugh (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "a loud free jazz band" is loud significant here?
 * I think so. The source quotes Taborn: " I sat with my friend in front of the house's system speaker, and it was so loud and visceral and brutal. Then I went home and put on the Cecil album, and all of a sudden it sounded like Kind Of Blue to me! It was more manageable in terms of being able to hear detail and listen to content." EddieHugh (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "Taborn met drummer Gerald Cleaver soon after arriving at university.[4] Together, ..." consider merging these two short setences to avoid the prose getting too clunky.
 * Yes. Done. EddieHugh (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "...recorded in 1993." ref?
 * Penguin Guide added as source. EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Any reason to pipelink DIW? The sentence would be more accessible if we knew that it was released by DIW Records.
 * I think it's normal to omit 'Records', 'Publications', etc. Hopefully, what it refers to is clear from wording and context. EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Is there a suitable link for "sideman"? It's a common term I understand in this context, but outside it's a little different (to me, at least).
 * Hmm. Sideman begins with "A sideman is a professional musician who is hired to perform or record with a group of which he or she is not a regular member." That's not my understanding of how it's always used in the jazz world, where the person could be a regular member. The OED has "A supporting musician in a jazz or dance band", in contrast with 'front man'. That suggests that there's no accurate link. EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, no worries. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Tomasz Stańko has a diacritic on his n.
 * Should have known that. Changed. EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * You link Down Beat but not The Financial Times, any reason?
 * No... linked. EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "the sound at any moment takes priority" this isn't part of the quote, although it sounds like it should be: I'm not even sure what it means. Is it your opinion?
 * Whole thing: "He's the rare musician who takes the approach, 'What can I do with this instrument?' rather than playing through its book of techniques. Regardless of its organic or electronic nature, every instrument is an expression of technology; Craig is able to eschew the technological aspect in order to get out the sounds that he feels are suitable for the music."
 * Changed the article text to "the rare musician who takes the approach, 'What can I do with this instrument?' rather than playing through its book of techniques. [...He] is able to eschew the technological aspect in order to get out the sounds that he feels are suitable for the music." EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, makes sense now I've had a chance to re-read. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "Doris Duke Artist Award,[61] worth up to $275,000 " over a quarter of a million dollars and we don't even have an article about the award?!
 * Turns out there is, as part of Doris Duke Performing Artist Award. EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Sortable table normally needs every linked item to be linked every time as the order can change.
 * Is that a policy? I've always done it as the first one in the table as it initially appears. EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I doubt it's a policy, it's just something that we expect, at least over at WP:FLC. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok; it's listed as something that can be done to benefit the reader. As that's the norm for lists, I've added them. EddieHugh (talk) 09:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Query: some web links have access dates, others don't, what's the strategy?
 * My recollection of policy is that pages with a publication date don't need an access date and ones that don't have one do. EddieHugh (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, that seems true. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

A really solid piece of work, minor quibbles listed above are really points for discussion and can be acted upon as deemed suitable. I'll put it on hold briefly so you can have a quick look through to see if there's anything useful. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. I've amended and added updates/comments above. EddieHugh (talk) 13:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Couple of responses, then we're good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Both updpated. EddieHugh (talk) 09:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Good stuff, passing as GA, thanks for your timely and collegiate responses. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)