Talk:Cramming (fraud)/Archives/2020

Payforit Scheme Rules
Payfotit scheme doesn't prevent cramming. It just means that if a company makes fraudulent charges you can text STOP and they are supposed to stop. Companies have to promise to keep to the rules but if they don't nothing happens. Customers are referred to the Phone-paid Services Authority to make a complaint which doesn't do anything. They have been investigating PMConnect for years now and nothing has been done after thousands of complaints. http://payforitsucks.co.uk Payforit is a non-opt out scheme run by the phone companies who take a 20% cut, higher for gambling websites, they have no incentive to stop the frauds. PM Connect Ltd are a major fraud company and nothing is done. 194.207.86.26 (talk) 18:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

UK cramming
In the UK 'cramming fraud' is completely legal.

All the UK mobile operators have a forced third-party direct-to-bill scheme (chargetomobile 'payforit') and offer no opt-out or blocking of third-party billing (no cramming block) and no prevention of third parties from adding charges to consumers' mobile phone bills.

That seems totally unbelievable and like it was written by someone that just had a bad experience with a UK mobile operator. I think it should be removed unless a source is provided. LokoSparrow (talk) 00:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "Payforit Scheme Rules which prevent unauthorised charging", that assumes the criminal organisations follow all the rules which they don't. They do things like have an invisible button covering the whole screen, then say you clicked on the 'accept' button, there's also clickjacking. The mobile operators take a 35% cut so they have no interest in preventing the fraud. It is legal in the sense that it happens and when you complain they say it is not their fault and the police say it's not their problem. ModoMobi take £40, the phone companies say it's not their problem, you have to threaten to take ModoMobi to Small Claims Court and send a "Letter Before Action" then the money is returned. Most people don't have the legal knowhow and just have to accept the loss. 194.207.86.26 (talk) 06:31, 5 June 2020 (UTC)