Talk:Crater lake

misnomer?
How exactly is Crater Lake's name a misnomer? I don't get it. -Pete 16:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Crater Lake is formed from a caldera, not from a crater.


 * But the first sentence of the article says"A crater lake is a lake that forms in a volcanic crater, caldera, or maar." If this is a misnomer, then this first sentence is misnominating it ;-) Jackrepenning (talk) 06:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

bias?
the statement "Crater Lake ...has the clearest water of any lake in the world" seems like it's biased. presumably there are other crater lakes fed only by snow and rain that are just as clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.205.98 (talk) 02:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"has the clearest water of any lake in the world." - agreed. This article should be tagged as requiring a citation for this claim. BlueTyson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueTyson (talk • contribs) 00:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Meteor Craters
Should we split the list into two - one for volcanic crater lakes and the other for meteor crater lakes? Please raise any issues if not I will be WP:BOLD and split.-- Guan long   wucaii  07:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Volcanic lake
Whoever thought volcanic lake should redirect to this article was wrong. The term volcanic lake can be used in at least three different ways; 1) a lake filling the crater of a volcano, 2) a lava lake or 3) a lake that was formed as a result of lava blocking a river valley or another similarity (e.g. Garibaldi Lake, Lava Lake). It seems like this should be an article insted of a redirect.  Volcano guy  22:24, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I tried to address this issue by re-structuring (a bit) the article, and adding a mention/link for lava lakes. I also expanded the lists with a significant number of entries. Wikiwanito (talk) 22:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 12:23, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Convert to disambiguation
There have been comments here over the years calling for a split of the impact and volcanic crater lakes to separate articles. In some cases work has been done cleaning up the ambiguity of "craters" into separate impact, volcanic and explosion origins. See the essay at User:Ikluft/essay/Categorization of craters (which is pending review to be moved under WikiProject Geology). The lesson learned and turned into a best practice is to separate craters into specific areas by origin and not leave the ambiguous "crater" topic as a temptation for well-meaning editors to drop things into. So I'll start on moving the content and lists of each type of crater lake to separate articles. Then this article will remain as a disambiguation. I'll follow that with proposing a CfR for Category:Crater lakes to Category:Volcanic crater lakes, keeping the original category as a disambiguation. Ikluft (talk) 05:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ with merging of the lists and texts to volcanogenic lake (see its talk page where discussion is asking the editor who renamed it from volcanic lake to rename it back) and impact crater lake. This article was converted to a disambiguation. Now many incoming links need to be updated. Ikluft (talk) 08:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

I dispute this as the correct decision, as the wikidata link has about 48 interwiki Wikipedia articles to the same topic in different languages. The majority of these articles likely discuss volcanic crater lakes, although there are too many to verify using (e.g.) Google Translate. I think a better decision would be to restore the content and move this article to Volcanic crater lake. Any thoughts on this follow-up idea? + m t  20:29, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * But that would result in the same thing - the volcanic portion of crater lake was moved to volcanic crater lake - where that redirects is pending naming discussion at Talk:volcanogenic lake. The WikiData results show that most of the other language wikis will eventually follow the lead from English Wikipedia, Commons and WikiData. So that isn't an argument against cleaning up where it's needed. See the "Categorization of craters" essay for more background on why we want to reduce ambiguity and replace unqualified uses of "craters" with the qualified uses of "volcanic craters", "impact craters' and "explosion craters". The English Wikipedia had a lot of that cleanup in 2009 and is getting more maintenance now. The disambiguation of craters and crater lakes is also occurring on Commons and WikiData. Ikluft (talk) 21:28, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

FYI, volcanic crater lake is no longer a redirect and now has the text and list that were merged from here. Talk page feedback reported it was an WP:UNDUE weighting for that subtopic on the volcanogenic lake (a.k.a. volcanic lake) page. Ikluft (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sorting this all out, as it requires lots of careful attention! It would have been nice to keep this Talk page and the article history (starting in December 2003) to move along to volcanic crater lake. I don't mind a whole lot, but if anyone does, they can request it at WP:RFHM. + m t  20:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yeah since it had text and lists for both volcanic and impact crater lakes, there wasn't just a single move for the talk page to follow. Nothing ever seems to be easy in this tangled mess. Since the original talk page isn't going away, both the merge-destination articles' talk pages could get notes linking to it. Ikluft (talk) 00:07, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Merge proposal
Rather than merging Crater Lake (disambiguation) into this article, this article can just be redirected there. Everything is already listed in one place, this article is unnecessary. MB 15:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment, . The reason I thought the other way around (changing that one into a redirect to this one) is because I thought that lower case is favoured over upper case in Wikipedia - although the main topic there is an upper case lake that I had never heard of, which complicates things slightly. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Laterthanyouthink, Proper names are still capitalized, and every item on the dab page are proper names, so it make more sense to keep that one. The lower-case ones are not even listed in the main "article", only in the See also section. This seems straightforward enough to me that either of us could boldly redirect this page now, IMO. MB 23:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, no worries, thanks . I'm happy for you do do it now, if you wish to and have time. (Or I can, no problem.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)