Talk:Crawford family of the White Mountains

Sourcing
The article has two sources, one being the academically-published Julyan and the other an amateurish website called whitemountainhistory. We should prefer the academic source as being likely more reliable than what is little more than a WP:SPS. - Sitush (talk) 15:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, things have moved on since the above, so it can probably be ignored now. However, has anyone any thoughts regarding this book? I know Arcadia/History Press published some very amateurish stuff but they do produce some more rigorous works also and this one may be in the category. - Sitush (talk) 21:29, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Arcadia Publishing is fine as a source - it covers local interest publications so while the prose might be dry and whimsical, it's going to pretty reliable in terms of fact checking. I am certain I have put at least one or two articles cited almost entirely to History Press stuff through DYK and nobody batted an eyelid. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  21:44, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. They've had a bit of a mixed reception at WP:RSN in the past. - Sitush (talk) 21:56, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Title
Have we really got this article titled correctly? Something like Crawford family might be better because it really has precious more to do with Abel than it also does with his sons, father-in-law etc. I'm not even sure yet whether the article was correct when it said that the Crawford Path etc were named after Abel rather than the main worker - Ethan - or indeed just the family as a whole. I know there has been a fairly big misreading of sources, so perhaps that is why it ended up under a title that I think is somewhat misleading. - Sitush (talk) 16:28, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you are right, but maybe wait and see if it develops any further. Good work by the way, it has come on by leaps and bounds since I slapped a notability flag on it yesterday. I'd like a chance to study it some more and checkout the new refs that have been added. The only guidance I can find is Naming_conventions_(people). You might seek advice from WikiProject Biography or elsewhere. While there are articles for prominent families like Bush family and crooks like Cleveland crime family, I'm not seeing any quite like this, where individuals are perhaps not notable in their own right. The closest I can think of is Goler clan. Derek Andrews (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I think Ethan is individually notable. He is referred to as something of a folk hero in several sources, one of the breed of tough, imposing, can-do frontiersmen who pioneered the new America - think in terms of a lesser Davy Crockett or someone like that. - Sitush (talk) 08:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In case this remains an article for all the Crawfords presently described, I would recommend something like "Crawford family of the White Mountains", since Crawford is a common surname. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the disambiguation specialists might be unhappy with that, unless and until there is an article about a different Crawford family. - Sitush (talk) 10:36, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hm, although I've just noticed Rodney family of Delaware, despite there being no Rodney family. - Sitush (talk) 12:01, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The Rodney family of Delaware is basically just a list, or family tree, with links to notable individuals — not an article as such. Whereas Abel Crawford as expanded by you is a family narrative, which is obviously (to me) something a lot more interesting. So I definitely wouldn't model this one on the Rodneys. The title "Crawford family of the White Mountains" seems good to me. I know there isn't another article about a "Crawford family", but on the other hand the world is choc-a-block with people called Crawford. You'd really be hiding your White Mountains family under a general title like "Crawford family", as well as disappointing 95% of the people who come here from some search engine. "Gee, I thought it was gonna be about my family." Both these effects seem undesirable. Never mind the dab specialists, let them hash it out later. Anyway, whatever the family-type title, what are your plans? Refocusing this one a little for the family, with a new lede, as well as creating a short separate article about the heroic Ethan? Or does Abel still deserve a separate article as well? Bishonen &#124; talk 17:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC).
 * I think their stories are so intertwined that it might be best to leave them in one article but have redirects from the individual personal names. - Sitush (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Moved to Crawford family of the White Mountains and some redirects created for the major players. Thanks all. - Sitush (talk) 13:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)