Talk:Cream cheese/Archives/2014

cream cheese In a salad? blasphemy!
Please provide some evidence. I don't believe this is common or customary. Should be taken off the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.236.151.5 (talk) 23:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

NOT blasphemy!! I use cream cheese in several of my salads..usually with fruit, JELLO, or other things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.249.200.2 (talk) 22:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Is cream cheese vegetarian
Is it vegetarian, or do they use rennin from calves and pigs to curdle the milk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.153.25 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 1 December 2006


 * Well it is a dairy product so it depends on what you mean by Vegetarianism. It isn't suitable for someone who follows Veganism or Ovo vegetarianism simply because it's a dairy product. As to the use of Rennet, I'm pretty sure it's not used because cream cheese is an acid-set cheese. This might make a good clarification in the main article if a source can be found. --Elipongo 21:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Any cheese that uses rennet is NOT suitable for vegetarians (even lacto-ovo), because rennet is derived from dead animals. I don't think this one requires any rennet, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.138.114 (talk • contribs) 4 July 2011

Is cream cheese Jewish?
I'm Jewish and I always just sort of assumed that cream cheese was Jewish because, well, bagels are Jewish and that vast majority of cream cheese is consumed on bagels (right?). I'm hesitant to edit the article with this information, though, because "anecdotal evidence" does not fit the standard of quality for Wikipedia. Also, is it okay to edit the article to reflect that cream cheese is delicious, or is that not NPOV? --Cyde 00:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC) I have it on good word ( a baker at my local store) Cream Cheese is not Jewish, although it may be that in an attempt to make money, cream cheese was introduced on bagels for one reason or another... I suppose --ViceroyInterus

The article doesn't give a name or an ethnicity for the farmer who invented Cream Cheese, perhaps he was Jewish? I always figured that cream cheese was popular with Jews because, being a soft cheese, it doesn't need rennet, so it's much easier to make kosher. Elipongo 06:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

How long does cream cheese typically last? Seems like that'd be relevant information... --129.97.221.68 05:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

If it wasn't a "jewish food" before, it is now. Ethnic foods generally get -adopted- into an ethnicity, not created into them. I'm sure bagels existed before jews began to eat them en masse.

True. 'Characteristic' does not mean 'invented by' or 'originated with'. Take 'English tea' for example. Hakluyt bean (talk) 20:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I cannot believe I am actually reading this... Cream cheese, "Jewish"? Even if it were invented by a single person (which it was not), and that person were Jewish, it would still not make the product "Jewish" (or of any other nationality/ethnicity). Experimenting with milk-derived products has been a tradition wherever cows were milked, since their domestication. Our Alpine farmers have done this for centuries. vPerhaps the association with Jews may seem valid in the USA. But cream cheese is not a USA invention. Not only is the article deemed to be too USA-oriented - apparently the discussion is too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.138.114 (talk • contribs) 4 July 2011

Debate about origns of the Brand Philadelphia Cream Cheese
"ABOUT PHILADELPHIA CREAM CHEESE IN NEW YORK" Excerpt from www.foodtimeline.org

**Removed copyrighted text**

Except taken from www.foodtimeline.org Nattysmiff 07:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's the link to the text I removed http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodcakes.html#newyork. Feel free to cite the material from the site into the article, but please paraphrase the information, don't insert it verbatim. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 10:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
"It is also delicious on breakfast foods such as bagels, toast, and english muffins." This statement is highly suspect; as a matter of indisputable fact I do not consider cream cheese in the least delicious on any of the aforementioned pastries. I demand an edit to a NPOV and that someone corrects the capitalization of the word "English". - SovietCanuck (talk)

Wow..."Highly Suspect"...you're kidding, right??..*Ugh* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.249.200.2 (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

disputed tag
Someone appears to have messed with the history section. Cleveland wasn't founded until 1796, Ohio wasn't a state until 1803 and the web page that was supposedly the source of the information doesn't work. And the date for cream cheese in Normandy doesn't make sense considering the previous paragraph. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you'll find I've fixed it. Removing tag. 86.133.14.198 (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

History and Origins
If there have been references to cream cheese in England since 1754, and the technique has been in use in Normandy since the 1850's, clearly New York is not the origin of cream cheese. It seems to me as if there has been some confusing between cream cheese and the product 'Philadelphia'. 'Philadelphia is cream cheese, however not all cream cheese is 'Philadelphia'. My point is that the origin of cream cheese is disputable, however 'Philadelphia' was named in 1880 and created in 1872. 86.10.75.40 (talk) 23:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

translations
I don't know how to fix this, but the translations links to the hebrew page for white cheese, which is pretty much fromage blanc. Shahar Goldin (talk) 05:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Varieties
I am surprised to see no mention of different varieties of cream cheese. The article is written from quite an American perspective so maybe the US doesn't have these but in the UK we have: --DanielRigal (talk) 19:06, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Full fat and reduced fat varieties (normally described as light).
 * Various flavours such as garlic and herb, and onion and chive.
 * I just looked on Wal-Mart to see what flavours of cream cheese were available in the USA and it seems that there are plenty along the lines above plus loads of sweet varieties which seem to be more cream than cream cheese. Anyway, I think it would be good to get some mention of this into the article and to take the opportunity to illustrate them with a picture of a non-Kraft branded product. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the U.S. has dozens of different types of cream cheese. I'm sure these are available in many other countries as well. Feel free to write about them, if you can find reliable sources. [[File:Icon wink.gif]]  —BMRR (talk) 01:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Use of branded logos in images
This article is about Cream Cheese. Do we really need pictures of Philidelphia and Wal Mart logos? Rebent (talk) 13:22, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * If you can find free images of more generic product packaging, please feel free to replace the images. I don't really see anything wrong with showing a particular brand of a product, per se. --Darkwind (talk) 14:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Philadelphia is the most widely-known brand of cream cheese in North America (and perhaps elsewhere, I'm not sure), and it is mentioned in the article; I don't see any problem with having a picture of it. As for the other photo of commercial cream cheese, it's very generic and the Walmart logo is not on it. How else can we illustrate the fact that North American cream cheese is generally formed in the shape of a brick and packaged in a rectangular paperboard box? It would be nice to see how it is packaged in other parts of the world as well. –BMRR (talk) 17:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The wal-mart logo is there: "Great Value" is a wal-mart brand. Secondly, why do we need to inform the viewer of the way that cream cheese is packaged in the USA? Why not have text about it? Rebent (talk) 18:17, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Why not have text and a photo? –BMRR (talk) 19:46, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * because the photo is an advertisement for WalMart Rebent (talk) 13:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Wal-Mart isn't paying Wikipedia to display it, they're not benefiting from it in any way (they don't use that style of packaging or that "Great Value" logo anymore), and it doesn't even link to the Wal-Mart article. By your logic, no commercial product that has a Wikipedia article should include a photo. Should we remove every photo from the Toyota Corolla article because the photos could be considered an advertisement for Toyota? –BMRR (talk) 16:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

US Orientation
In the UK, cream cheese must have a fat content of 45-65%, not like the US model used to define cream cheese in this article. Accordingly, Philadelphia is marketed in the UK as "full fat soft cheese", not as cream cheese. In France it is marketed as fromage frais.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/cream_cheese. http://www.simplesimon.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/k/r/krphtu01_1_1.jpg.

Also, the section about how difficult it is to make cream cheese seems to refer to US mass-production methods. Cream cheese can in fact be made at home.

JoeMCMXLVII (talk) 07:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

The use of a pack of Philadelphia cheese as a generic illustration is misleading. Philadelphia cheese cannot be called cream cheese in some countries. Furthermore, the pack shown is clearly labelled "light" meaning that its fat content falls below the minimum required for even the US model. JoeMCMXLVII (talk) 21:26, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

The phrase "also called soft cheese" is misleading. The term "soft cheese" refers to texture and does not describe the type of cheese or indicate its fat content. http://www.britishcheese.com/cheese JoeMCMXLVII (talk) 01:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

weird...
do hotdogs go with cream cheese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.114.112 (talk) 08:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course.  Midnight Wider 11:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midnight Wider (talk • contribs)

NPOV / WP:FAKE Cites
I understand that in some jurisdictions there is a legal definition relating to the cream & fat content of cream cheese, but please don't WP:FAKE your references to push your view.

This opening statement in the lead:

"Cream cheese is a soft, mild-tasting fresh cheese with a high fat content.[1][2]"

is not supported by [1] or [2]:

"cream cheese noun: a soft white cheese made from milk and cream".

Nowhere in these cites are mentioned "mild-taste" or "fat content".

Looking at a US produced Philadelphia Fat Free tub, the product is defined as "Fat Free Cream Cheese", and the description reads "blended with real cream", and the ingredients have "pasteurized milk and cream". This product meets all requirements to be cream cheese in the USA, and meets the definition of [2]. And has 0g Total Fat per serve.

Please do add information and references regarding any legal or widely held definitions of cream cheese.

Please do not FAKE it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.75.23 (talk) 03:44, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding your use of "your," see WP:AGF and WP:OWN. There are multiple editors here, and the individual you're hoping to address may not even be a member of the site.  Instead, you could fix the issue yourself, noting the reason why in the edit summary, instead of making accusations against people who may not have edited the site in God knows how long.  Ian.thomson (talk) 03:51, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I took the opportunity to provide a cite to the US definition of cream cheese, which should at least satisfy the kvetching from the anonymous user from the 107.x.x.x network. I will also point out that that anonymous editor isn't entirely familiar with US food labeling laws, and is merely attempting to be pedantic with their fat free example. Fortunately, this anonymous poster does know food labeling regulations in the US. The "fat free cream cheese" package s/he was looking at is covered by two different regulations - 21 CFR 133.133 (the legal definition of "regular" cream cheese as cited in the article now) and 21 CFR 130.10, which governs the use of a nutrient content claim (like "fat free" or "reduced calorie") in conjunction with a food which has a standard of identity defined by the CFR. In other words, a fat free cream cheese can (and does) contain other ingredients in order to perform like a regular cream cheese. It cannot be called by the regulated name "cream cheese" by itself, despite the above claim. 96.41.235.24 (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2014 (UTC)