Talk:Cream the Rabbit/Archive 1

Inappropriate
Cream the Rabbit has also appeared very frequently in hentai and yuri as an older version of herself (usually) since her name is a (probably unintentional) double entendre.
 * A double entendre?!? Does this have anything to do with that "the chicks will cream" line in the song Greased Lightning [from the movie Grease?]  --Luigifan 22:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think this statement (or more specifically, what it links to) is rather inappropriate, considering that, especially as Wikipedia becomes more popular, more younger readers are likely to be looking up this character. For example, I wouldn't want my own younger sister, who does use Wikipedia, to click on those links. I'm not sure about Wikipedia's policy on these things, but I'm just throwing this out there.

Should we change the statement, remove it, or keep it as is? Personally, I vote for removing it altogether. - Luigi 2 | Talk 21:04, 18 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Virtually every fictional character has had pornographic material made of them, so I don't see why Cream would be notable in this sense. 142.161.207.137 05:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * With that in mind, I've removed the statement from the article. - Luigi 2 | Talk 23:48, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * ...LOOK UP TO CREAM!?What have you been smoking lately?I'm only 11 and I detest her, she's both mine, and my little brothers least favourite character.Also, in Sonic Battle, she must be the only character than doesn't fight...AT ALL.It's Cheese.That's why we take pleasure in making up our own characters...then he draws them beating the snot out of Cream or something.--Centurion Ry 12:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC), British and Pround of it.(hey!That can be my sig!)

How stuipd can u get??No one cares if u don't like Cream, besides Cream DOES FIGHT! HAVEN'T U SEEN SONIC X???Again no one cares if u or ur brother or sister like Cream or not!-anon

Would 11 be considered too young? *click click* Oops. Never mind. Too young, too late.

Hey, nobody answered my question! --Luigifan 16:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, never seen Grease.

Awkard and unencyclopedic
"Cream is also somewhat "childish" but like a strawberry is very sweet. Sometimes she can be a "shrinking violet", but her lifelong pal, Cheese the chao is always there to make her bloom." How to rewrite this statement to convey that she is childish, "sweet," shy, etc. without sounding like a children's book?


 * Cream is also somewhat immature, but kind. Sometimes she can be let down, but her best friend Cheese the Chao, is always there to help.* That help?

Rumors
The part, "Cream would see Tails in a simple childish love playmate way and would be too young for intense real love. Some still say the two will get together, but only when they are older and more mature." Is an opinion. Although it is possible that when they're older, they'll like each other, but it's possible that they could also like each other as a young child. For example, Tails in Sonic X liked Cosmo and they're only eight years old or something. If Cream somehow managed to create a airplane and named it, "The Heart Tornado," Sonic and Tails would find some Distraction and would told tails to go away from them, They would have been doing missions faster like Amy Spots Sonic, Cream might do the same to Tails if they know each other and if Cream get a Tails Radar like Amy have a Sonic Radar in Sonic Rush.
 * Can I mention that Tails sounded a bit... unconcerned... when Cream was kidnapped in Sonic Rush? What I mean by this is, Tails didn't go and rescue Cream himself, but let Blaze do it instead.  I think that if Tails and Cream were in a love relationship, he'd have insisted that he be the one to save her.  After all, when you're in love, you'll do anything to help your loved one, even when it requires you to take risks and/or make sacrifices.  And, Blaze was weakened from her fight with Sonic...  --Luigifan 11:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, if Cream were to really love ANYONE, it would most likely be Charmy Bee.
 * A CharmyXCream shipper... how awkward... --Luigifan 16:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

GET THESE **** THINGS OFF THE WIKI!

Quotes
Could we move the quotes to Wikiquote instead (in the Sonic the Hedgehog section)? Something about the quotes in this article doesn't match. --anon

Notes, References, and External Links
SPAMFLOOD! Someone keeps adding this site to the list of external links. I have went there and the information on Cream in the Character Library appears to be hidden from the general public. Unless the information can be viewed by the general public, continuing to add this link is at best linkspam, and at worst vandalism. For more information see Links to avoid. --DavidHOzAu 23:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

And that link you mentioned does not exist anymore... --Tikal-chan 13:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge
Cheese and Vanilla should be merged with Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog. They aren't about Cream and should be in a "See Also" section. Any objections? --71.104.187.145 04:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Partial Agree You won't find any objections about either of them from me. My opinion is that both should still be discussed in relation to Cream herself rather than as seperate characters as of themselves--this should only take a sentence or two per character rather than what it is at the moment.) However, I'm not as sure about Cheese because sometimes "Cream" means the same thing as "Cream and Cheese". We might have to relax how much duplicate information we can have is its case.  (However I do not object to most of Cheese's info being moved too if it is only discussed here in relation to Cream.)  Oh and if it does get merged, drop a comment in there so "someone" doesn't revert it before they read the talk page. --DavidHOzAu 05:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC) Support Go ahead, this article is getting too big. --DavidHOzAu 13:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Partial Disagree  Perhaps Vanilla should be merged, but not Cream.  Cream's important enough for her own article. --Luigifan 11:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, Cheese is the one getting merged? Oops.  --Luigifan 21:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Creams first appearence was not in Sonic adveance 2!
Actually, her fisrt appeareance is on Sonic Adventure one, or Sonic Adventure DX: Directors Cut. If you had ever play this game, you would notice that after the level Casinopolis and after you get put sleep by Eggman. if you are playing with Sonic you may think that Tails is flying and going away, but actually is Cream!You can see that it is cream if you are playoing with tails and you fly up you would see that it is Cream! Well that my be a hint of the debut of Cream in Sonic advance but as i had read (I think here in Wikipedia) she was cancelled or i think Sonic Team decided to not put her in this game, instead they put here on Sonic Advance 2.

By Alonso Benavente

The cameo is not in Sonic Adventure, only DX. RememberMe? 23:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
Put a picture of a cream cameo in sonic adventure DX.

Cream's first appearance
Alonso is right. I too have seen Cream on Sonic Adventure DX on Big's Story after he's leaving from Twinkle Park. I did see Cream flying. That's her first appearance. But she didn't become a playable character until Sonic Advance 2. King Shadeed 12:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Sonic Advance 2 was released 21st March 2003, while Sonic Adventure DX came out 27th June. --anon


 * Actually, Sonic Advance 2 was released 2002-12-19, while Sonic Adventure Deluxe was released 2003-06-19, making her Sonic Advance 2 appearance six months earlier. (Stefan2 08:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC))

Cream's trivia section...
Bah, I'm removing some of the points in the trivia section, they are no longer secret to most of us, ye know. Tikal-chan 04:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

um why doesn't Cream have a love life section??Don't u know about Emeral in Sonic X and Tails in Sonic Rush?! In that game Tails seen very worry about Cream...if you have played the game u know what I mean.-....
 * He does?!?!? I'm not so sure...  And, you really ought to sig!  And, while I'm at it, work on your grammar!  I don't mean to be critical, but your encyclopedic skills need some work.  Oh, and I should mention, Cream's only 6 years old; far too young to have a love life!  --Luigifan 23:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And Cream was NOT in love with Emerl! You sicko!!!  --Luigifan 01:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

REMOVE THIS ******* TRIVIA SECTION! IT IS NOT IN WIKIPEDIA GUIDELINES!

Telepathy?
Huh? Since when was Cream capable of telepathy? I think that this is a little speculative... but, seeing as I currently have a theory out there which is highly contested, I should probably keep my mouth shut. --Luigifan 23:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that Cream has telepathy. More than likely, Cream can understand Cheese's Chao language similar to how Kiba (from Naruto) understands Akamaru (his dog). BlackEDGE MkII 01:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Cream, like Tikal (I guess), can communicate with Chao thru purity of heart? DeathGodDragon EDGE 06:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's simply a case of she has a special gift to understand what they say through reading of body-language, tone of their cries and such. I'll be removing that telepathy part.--Danish Ranger 02:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that Cream has telepathy. So go ahead, delete it. DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wind blowing
Wow, this hasn't been edited [by anyone other than myself] for a few days... --Luigifan 23:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yet again, nobody's here... Yeesh, the page is stagnating!  --Luigifan 22:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That's probably cuz there's really not that much to edit. Either that or, people really must hate Cream. BlackEDGE MkII 02:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Man, does this have anything to do with those "phase out" rumors? --Luigifan 12:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the page is getting some attention now. That's good. --Luigifan 14:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Japanese language name
"Kuriimu da Rabbitto" means "Cream the Rabbit". --PJ Pete

{slow clapping} --Luigifan 02:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Is that admiration or sarcasm, Luigifan? (If you don't kno who I am, I used to be BlackEGDE MkII). Aguni Dragon-OX 02:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

How is Cream the Rabbit's name romanized? --PJ Pete

Cream is a Holland Lop?
Um, who came to the conclusion that Cream is a Holland Lop rabbit? Seriously, do we have to give specific species? Because, if we do, I might as well say that Tails is a kit fox because he's small and has yellow fur. Seriously, trying to pinpoint this kind of stuff is ridiculous. And, it certainly won't work for everyone. I mean, there are no hedgehogs in the (real) world that have blue or pink fur, unless it's a pet hedgehog whose owner went a bit crazy with the hair dye. So, please, somebody check up on this nonsense! --Luigifan 03:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Concept Mobius states that as an esitmate guess.Wolly da wanderer 00:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Box
Is it just me, or is the information box becoming really broad? Also, when are the Chao ever described as Cream's adoptive siblings? 83.255.67.167 09:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

About cleanup issue in this article
This article has been tagged for cleanup for months, so what you think should I do? Tikal-chan 14:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sonic Team: Does it give a **** about the West?
On Game FAQs, on a message board for Sonic the Hedgehog, a user named Junji-Hiroma cites Cream as an example of Sonic Team's [apparent] disrespect for its western audience. Here's the entire post, copied and pasted directly from said message board:

"This is from a site I found: Disclaimer: This is a factor as to why sonic's popularity has dwindled from what used to be in the west. It in no way suggests that Sonic has faded entirely.

sonics failing partly because of sonic Team’s ethnocentricity. They adhere to cultural tastes of eastern culture (particularly the Japanese), while alienating, and demeaning values in western culture.

Blaze and Cream are key examples. Sonic Team portrays exclusively eastern ideals to be "right". Cream is called a girl "no one can hate", someone who is immune to hatred. Cream reflects eastern ideals for youthful, innocent girls (like many anime female protagonists). Western ideals like being tenacious, sassy, smart, and athletic (like the Disney princesses) are seldom if not entirely void in Cream's character. She is not marked for being bright as noted by Blaze after she ignorantly insults Knuckles in his presence. She does not fight which deemphasizes athleticism. She also has a hard time keeping resolve that is shown in Heroes, when she wants to give up her search for finding her kidnapped friend, Chacola. This is the perfect girl that in Sonic Team's opinion, cannot be hated, which is further implied by a lack of testimonial criticism for her nature by other charachters.

Blaze is opposite of Cream. She has traits that westerners hold ideal in women. While Cream's eastern traits go uncriticized, Sonic disrespects Blaze’s very western resolve to get the Sol emeralds alone, calling her “overzealous" while he respects Knuckles' constant resolves to restore the Master Emerald by himself. Both Blaze and Knuckles mirror the other's duties as guardians to their respective emeralds. Both are qualified to be lone gaurdians. Blaze can attain the Sol emeralds alone, and KNUCKLES restore Master emerald alone. But Sonic, whom viewers hold bias for, (as we experience the game through mainly his points of view), believes Blaze is wrong for being tenacious while Knuckles is not Knuckles is not questioned for his endeavors.

And it's not just Blaze; taking charge is not rewarding to any female characters, in the games. Tails can be praised for saving Station Square on his own, while Blaze is criticized for being independent. Tikal fails to convince her father, and Amy’s tenacity to woo Sonic falls on deaf ears because Rouge, as well as Cream and Tails imply to her, is that being physical to gain respect is quote: "too persistent". Yes Amy aggressively takes charge with Sonic, so do his male rivals (KNUCKLES and gay shadow) their own agendas like Amy. Sonic has unspoken respect for them, not her.

He trusts them in decisions he makes: Shadow helping him defeat the Biolizard, and trusting Knuckles to take care of Amy and Tails in his place before his last battle with Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2. He will not run from them. When Amy is as aggressive as Sonic's male rivals are, Sonic runs away from her as he does in Sonic Heroes and Battle. The double standard between males and females suggests that western aggressive ideals are wrong, particularly in women. While eastern ideals for more passive women is "right" because characters like Cream go uncriticized.

Sonic Team is aware of the other continuities of Sonic outside of their games. But while Sonic Team has largely recognized the Japanese continuities, they almost totally ignore Sonic continuities in the west.

In the early 1990's there was a Japanese continuity of Sonic outside of the games, a manga in Shogakukan's Shogaku Yonensei. In this very manga, the original versions of game characters Amy Rose and Charmy were born. Sonic Team recognized this Japanese continuity of Sonic, and even decided to place these two comic book characters into the games Sonic CD, and Knuckles Chaotix. Compare this recognition to characters in the west. Not a single character in western continuities outside the games set foot in a game directly made from Sonic Team.

Many argue that Sonic Team rejects western characters for their games because they are involved in continuities/ storylines that are too different from their games. But Sonic Team changed Amy and Charmy from their original selves as much as necessary, so that they could fit into game premises should parts of their original basis be incompatible with the games. So it certainly was not a matter of compatibility or incompatibility between the manga and the game's storyline. It was not an issue that they were more popular than western characters. Because Sonic Team could be almost entirely changed from the way supposed fans of the manga might have originally recognized them, which they were. Sonic Team has never taken these extremes for characters of western continuities.

Amy's role as Sonic's girlfriend in the manga was negated to that of a fangirl in the games. Their original mutual, affectionate relationship is not incorporated in the games, which changes their dynamic. Charmy's role in the manga as Sonic's advisor is nullified. Charmy is a member of a detective team now. Again, this indicates an unfair bias Sonic Team has against continuities outside of Japan.

Sonic Team does not take responsibility to incorporate in their games what westerners typically affiliate with the name Sonic which take westerners out of their comfort zone. In the newer Sonic games, they constantly incorporate only what the Japanese affiliate with Sonic, confusing and alienating people from western countries, who identified with, "Coconuts" instead of "Kiki", "Robotnik" instead of "Eggman" to simply list a few examples.

Robotnik was the name given to Sonic's mustached arch nemesis in the west. Eggman was his name in Japan. Nowadays, Sonic Team has merged the names together. In the west Eggman is supposedly a nickname for Dr.Robotnik according to Sonic Team. That way, the names can both used simultaneously without cultural confusion, right? Wrong.

Sonic Team does not live up to their claims to "merge" the cultures. Culture alienation still exists in the western version of the games since the name Robotnik is rarely recognized in Sonic Team games, possibly only once. "Dr. Robotnik" is not actually called "Dr. Robotnik" in the English version of the games and even refers to himself as Dr. Eggman. Other characters including protagonists address him as such, even during serious situations when using a nickname, which is used to infer teasing/friendly familiarity is not appropriate (such as when Robotnik places a gun to Amy's head and she cries "Dr. Eggman!" in Sonic Adventure 2). The non-usage of traditional western elements in the more recent games infers what the west has established about Sonic is wrong, while what has been established to be Japanese is right. Despite both are correct terms SEGA has approved of since Sonic began on the genesis. Both names were originally products of localization, which exists in order to make different cultures connect with a product. Neither is more "right", as both names hold the same purpose for the character.

What's more, even Sonic Team's management of the games also implies bias to Japan. The famous incident that has recently occurred for instance: when the original game voices actors were fired, and replaced with the Sonic X ones. The reason for this decision was because Yuji Naka wanted to have smoother continuity, in which the game's voice actors were synonymous to the shows, like it is in Japan. There are two things that are problematic with his rationale:

In Japan, although the voice actors in the games were the same as in the show, it did not affect the overall popularity/unpopularity of the show, and these concepts were certainly not enough to save the show from cancellation. Despite this, Yuji Naka wants it managed like Japan.

Secondly, the sudden transition of voice actors was unsettling to western fans, after growing accustomed to the game actors, which existed longer than the show. This has caused resentment towards Sonic Team, especially since many of these fans would equally argue that the voice talent in the show is too melodramatic and mediocre. Naka did what he did for the sheer sake of making the west follow the east as has been policy for so long. Not because this move would be well accepted by the western fanbase..

Sonic Team has turned their backs on western culture, and has even gone through the trouble of disrespecting, and ignoring it. Westerners are subtly told not to be, or like western concepts in the Sonic games they buy. This despite the fact Sonic Team has the audacity to bring their games to the west which suggests they expect us to buy the games, when the anti western content make their games incompatible for the west. During the genesis era, Sonic was successful because there was no dialogue, or other identifiable themes in game itself that could be biased to a culture, and manuals could be made to localize the game.

People need to wise up. We are supposed to pay Sonic Team to play games that we are supposed to enjoy through personal connection, not the other way around. It is not fair that Sonic Team provides a take it or leave it attitude in which, you either tolerate their Japanese ideals, and accept the “wrongfulness” of western culture, or not buy their games at all. Japan is not an evil culture despite flaws, which can be present in all cultures, but as such can also be said for western ones. People who appreciate Japan's culture should be freely able to do so, but people who appreciate western culture should be as well, without someone inferring that they are "wrong" for doing so.

Sonic should belong to the world as SEGA originally intended, and not simply Japan."

Read over that and tell me what you think. Me, I feel a bit disturbed... --Luigifan 12:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow...that was merciless, and I'm shuddering at the coldness of his words. ChromeWulf ZX 18:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * THIS CAN'T BE! The sonic I once admired when I was a child is now an icon of discrimination!  though I always had thoughts that things weren't right in the game, I can't believe that such happenings have conspired to show that the sonic world isn't meant for western ideals!  And amy being so wronged in all this is even more so hateful!  I personally had nothing against cream but it's just wrong how they discriminate the western life!  IT'S JUST NOT FAIR THAT IT MEANS IT RUINS MY CHANCES TO BE IN THE GAME AND WUE AMY'S HEART! *sweatdrops* Er I mean...Oh hell the cat's out of the bag now... Mialover730 11:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It was an interesting read, but the portion that bears relevance to this article just seems boneheaded to me. It's silly to hold it against Sonic Team for making Cream the way she is; what disappointment is there to be had in the fact that a little girl in a JAPANESE game fits one of their stereotypes instead of ours? (Should we all be Disney Princesses? With an independent spirit resting behind perfect teeth and endless wealth? Or would she be better off as one of the BRATZ?) One could argue that Sonic Team's "disrespect" for the Western continuities (I found it somewhat interesting that the author didn't name a single Western character) is based on the fact that it can be afforded, conveniently at that. Lurk moar--most kids of the target demographic here in the West couldn't care less about Princess Sally, the Brotherhood of Metallix, or the Dark Legion. The Western continuities, whose absence in game canon seems to so offend the author, have, over time, nearly faded into obscurity--the sole nostalgic property of teens and twenty-somethings. I don't like it either--at twenty-one, would you believe I still buy the Archie Comic? While I think it'd be infinitely cool to one day to ride a Pasha in a Sonic game, it will never happen so long as the base for such a thing remains silent relative to the dollars of America's parents. --198.188.11.148 17:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow. Well, which would you call OK? East or West? Because I know a girl a lot like Cream, and I'm probably Cream, too... with an attitude. (Sorry if that seems a little off topic. I was trying to make a point. East and West princesses are equally sweet as sassy, usually.) (Who made this comment?)


 * Keep in mind, I'm not the one who originally made the post... --Luigifan 01:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

DELETE THIS SECTION! IT IS NOT IN WIKIPEDIA GUIDELINES! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.119.244 (talk) 18:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

That was the MOST racaist thing Ive ever read. It was obviously written by a sonic hater and anyone who beleives that should refresh there memory by playing the games. Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 22:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Big fan base
Dont make me laugh. Cream the rabbit dosnt have a big fanbase, in fact she is hated amoung alot of Sonic fans read this as well http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g222/megascore/sonic-3.jpg LOL thanks by the way whoever wrote it, Youve given me something to laugh about.

That came from an EGM article (I own it and remember that). EGM, hates a lot of Sonic stuff so it's reasonable that they hate Sonic characters. However, how can you talk for the entire community of those who play Sonic. How can you say something based of your own personal opinion many people who, in fact, love Cream. The answer: you can't. ChromeWulf ZX 18:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Ive hardly ever see cream fansites and the sites about her are often hate sites and the artile is about sonic secret rings. It also says Sonic is one of the best video game chraracters or something like that so it dosnt hate sonic.

Sorry if I snapped (I tend to do that from time to time), but still no one has the right to say something that isn't verified. Somewhere, there is a Cream fanbase which hundreds of people marvelling over Cream. Hell, a couple weeks ago I found a Big fansite (and many people hate Big). ChromeWulf ZX 22:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes but you could say this about Shadow and Rouge who have far bigger fan bases.

What do you expect, Rouge is practically a female people consider a possible PORN model and shadow is basically an easily tempered and often portrayed homosexual who maniacally uses guns to prove his point. that's not TRUE but honestly what isn't?

If Cream's fanbase is so big, why was she cut out of Sonic the Hedgehog? --Luigifan 12:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

What role could she have had in 2006 anyway? Gurko 18:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Good point. ChromeWulf ZX 23:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup & Proofread
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Minor Character
Shouldn't this article be merged into the Minor Character page now? Cream hardly ever even appears in a game now. She does sometimes, but only as a Cameo, for example, a ref in Mario and Sonic. Shes become sorta like Omochao, she only appears to do the extra things.

This person (above me) has a point. She hasn't had a big role since Heroes... ChromeWulf ZX 02:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and in Heroes she was pretty much just a filler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.13.30 (talk) 16:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Its also noticable that this article has been made longer on purpose, even with bios for other characters like Cheese and Vanilla(Who are in the minor character section). This Cream article really should be merged into the minor section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.13.30 (talk) 11:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I sorta agree but the article has improved. Wolly da wanderer 23:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok this dosn't really need to be merged, but does there really need to be a whole huge section about Vanilla who is in Minor characters? No! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.236.153 (talk) 19:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I definitely don't think this should merged with minor chararters for the following reasons.


 * Cream had a major role in Sonic Heroes, yes, but that's not her only one. And it's not a filler role in my opinion. I seriously believe that Omega and the Chaotix more like fill-in characters. She had also major roles in Sonic Advance 2, Sonic Battle, Sonic Advance 3 and Sonic Rush. In fact, I believe in Sonic Advance 2 and Sonic Rush, she actually had more of a role then Knuckles, Amy, and even Tails.


 * Although she appeared later than Shadow and Rouge, Cream has appeared in more games than they have:


 * Cream has been in 13 games: Sonic Mega Collection, Sonic Advance 2, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Battle, Sonic Advance 3, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Rush, Sonic Pinball Party, Sonic Riders, Sonic Rivals, Sonic and the Secret Rings, and Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games.


 * Shadow has appeared in 11 games (10 if you don't count Sonic Adventure 2: Battle as a different game): Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Battle, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Riders, Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), Sonic Rivals, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games and Sonic Rivals 2.


 * Rouge has been in only nine games (eight if you don't count Sonic Adventure 2: Battle as a different game): Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Battle, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Riders, Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), Sonic Rivals, and Sonic Rivals 2. And on a note with Rouge: She's mysteriously left out in Sonic and the Secret Rings while Cream isn't. And I know Cream is only a ref in Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, but at least she's confirmed to be in this game. Rouge (so far) is left out, which is pretty shocking, if you think about it. This game features major characters from both series, and you would think that Rouge would be appear in some capacity, but so far, she doesn't.


 * Remember that from late 2003 to late 2006, Metal Sonic didn't make ANY appearances, and there was NO talk from moving him from the main section to minor section.


 * Omega has had only 3 major appearances (Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)) while Cream has had 5 major appearances, even though he appeared soon after she did.


 * In the first season of Sonic X, Cream was focused on considerably more than Knuckles. In fact, in the entire series, I think she appeared in more episodes than Knuckles and Amy.

Anyway, that's why I think her article should stay where it is. 206.66.217.142 17:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder (slaps hand on forhead). In order for Cream's article to look better, I think that the game section needs to be split into two different sections; one for her major roles, and one for her minor roles. Any objections? Wolly da wanderer 02:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but Mighty used to be a main character too, so where's his article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.236.153 (talk) 18:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Gamewise, Mighty has faded into obscurity. ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 07:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but Cream has faded too. She only appears to make a cameo or be a ref or something on those lines. Cream has only had some sort of role in 20% of those games mentioned, while Rouge has had a proper role in all her games. You have got to admit, Cream is becoming the next Omochao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.248.156 (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Cream is slowly becoming a minor character. Unless the next Sonic game has a major role for Cream, this article should be merged (and I remember reading somwhere that Cream was only in Sonic Advance 2 to make the game seem fresh.) Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

If we have a page 4 the Babylonians, why not Cream? They only made 4 appearences (2 of which were cameos!) I say keep Cream. SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it should depend on whether or not Cream will be in Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood. They even have Big the Cat as a playable character. It sounds like she could be placed in that game, but I, of course, don't know for sure. 206.66.217.144 (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

My beliefs are if a character has had 3 major roles in a video game's story they should have an article, and Cream has had 4, (and I know people believe that she was just a filler in Sonic Heroes but it was a major role all the same). Fair field fencer (Talk) 10:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

How did Cream get to be more important than Rouge?!?
Back to the point about Rouge being absent from Sonic and the Secret Rings and Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games... I've often wondered about that myself. She's often used as a counterpart to Shadow (perhaps a sidekick of sorts?) And yet, Cream, of all characters, ended up in those games instead of her. I wonder why SEGA would do this... the only reason I can think of is an overwhelming amount of complaints along the lines of Rouge being a slut and a bad influence, but haven't people been saying that ever since Sonic Adventure 2? --Luigifan (talk) 13:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's because Rouge is always in the more important games and not the spin-offs that Cream is usually in, (and don't forget that sometimes they're both in the same game). Fair field fencer (Talk) 17:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Good point. --Luigifan (talk) 02:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I mean look at Omochao, he isn't exactly popular but he appears in a lot of games. Fair field fencer  F F F  15:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

As it stands, I'm all for letting Cream have her own article, on the basis that I do feel she has been a significant character in enough games to warrant one. I think the main problem her article has is that some of the information is repeated. CBFan (talk) 20:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Personality section
I removed the personality section as it related the authors perception (i.e. original research) of the character. I tweaked and moved one bit of it to the 'sonic heroes' section, since I found a reference for it. Bridies (talk) 09:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Merging for no apparant reason?
There doesn't appear to be a logical reason for merging Cream's article. It can't be because she hasn't had enough appearances to satisfy having her own article, because otherwise Metal Sonic, Eggman Nega, Chaos and even Omega would not have their own articles either. Heck, even Blaze and Silver would struggle to meet those criteria. The only reason I can think of for this is a personal dislike, which I'd hate to believe. The comments section CLAIM that the merging has been completed, but it is FAR from done.

The Mario and Crash Bandicoot versions of the same page are covered SO much better. The only Mario characters to have articles are Mario, Luigi, Peach, Yoshi, Wario, Toad, Donkey Kong and Bowser...who are THE main cast. In order for a Crash Bandicoot character to have his or her own article, s/he has to have appeared in over half of the games in the main series. Both work well. Why the Sonic version has to be so completely hit and miss, I have no idea. I'm not seeing any logic here, and until some is shown, this isn't a justifiable reason. CBFan (talk) 07:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There are a ton of other terrible articles out there. I'm only one person. I can only fix so many at a time. Rest assured I'll be taking the long knives to the awful Nintendo and Naughty Dog character articles in due time. In the meantime, we have here a supporting character about which there are no sources, so I've redirected this to a list entry that covers the character in exactly the same level of detail.


 * What's the problem with that? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is that you delieratly removed half of the relevant information in order to warrant Cream NOT to have her own article, then deliberatly ignored even more minor characters. Your logic doesn't work...and this isn't JUST me saying all of this. Surely it would be so much easier to get everything prepared first, THEN remove what is needed.


 * Also, and I'm not alone in saying this, the "List of Sonic characters" page is a disaster as it is. It just isn't working. CBFan (talk) 14:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * None of it was referenced, and all of it was in-universe or speculative.


 * This article is ready to merge, so I merged it. The other articles aren't or aren't yet ready to merge, so they aren't. I'm not going to go by some arbitrary scale of "This is more important than that," I'm going on what has enough referenced info to fill out an article and what doesn't. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was referenced. And this article isn't ready to merge. AMIB your treating Wikipedia like your own personal plaything. You edit war as much as you like. You argue with anybody that opposes you. You don't deserve to be an admin. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There was not enough referenced info to fill out more than a couple of paragraphs. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Then take the inlcusionist route. Go find references to support the claims made. Instead of doing things the excludinist/deletionist/mergist route. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Where, exactly? Who's writing articles about minor characters in the Sonic series? From my experience, the likelihood of that is sufficiently remote that this can be safely merged until someone comes along and proves me wrong.


 * Remember, nothing at all is lost in a merge. Should someone come along with more, better references, this can be split off again. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You do lose things in merge. You lose the personality section, (but you deleted that anyway), the abilities section. Loads of stuff. Fair field fencer  F F F  09:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the last time I'm repeating myself: that was deleted because it was unreferenced, not because this article was merged. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The character section was refed. Fair field fencer  F F F  09:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * To game manuals, to make inane "She likes this, but hates this!" claims. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's just a pathetic excuse. I used to think you were removing characters PURELY because you didn't like them (why else would you remove Cream and Blaze, but not Metal Sonic, Chaos or Eggman Nega? And DON'T give me the pee talk again, you should have thought about that BEFORE going ahead with this). Now it's clear to me that it's something else entirely, because you're refusing to accept Big as a Sonic character (you removed him from BOTH articles, deliberatly). Why don't you just give up and let people who are both responsible AND know what they are doing edit these sorts of articles? CBFan (talk) 08:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Because I wasn't done editing down the Metal Sonic, Chaos, or Eggman Nega articles. These were ready to merge, those weren't. You're assigning some very strange motives to me, in the face of stated reasoning.
 * As for removing all mention of Big from the main list, blame SLCCCwhatever. I saw this version, noticed that Big was mentioned twice, then made this edit, unaware that SLJCwhatever had simultaneously made this edit; note that the edit time is 1:46 on both edits. We both saw two Big sections, and simultaneously removed one, resulting in zero Big sections.
 * As for responsibility, these articles have not been responsibly tended. They are an overgrown, messy walled garden, so it has become necessary to prune the weeds and break down the walls. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you weren't done, you shouldn't have done it, obviously. You wouldn't create a go-kart, then try and use it before adding the wheels, would you? CBFan (talk) 14:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:V: "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Wikipedia is not a place to repeat what instruction manuals say. Randomran (talk) 22:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

TDB
I've just read that she is due to make an apperence in TDB, is this true? Sonic& Mario Fan  11:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. See Sonic Chronicles for the source. Fair field fencer  F F F  17:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)