Talk:Criminal Minds/Archive 1

CTV simulcast x Simultaneous substitution
in In Canada, the show is simulcast on CTV the word simulcast leads to Simultaneous substitution, although that page states that simulcast is something different. -- zenek (85.71.30.103 11:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC))

Cast pic
There's a conspicuous absence from that cast pic... --129.98.214.109 07:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Psychological Aspect
"Criminal Minds differs from many criminal system procedural dramas by focusing on the criminal rather than the crime itself." - I think it should say that it focusses on the psychology behind the criminal/unsub, since in most shows it is an important theme how a human turns into, for instance a serial killer. I feel this series in fact empathizes strongly with the unsubs, often reflecting that they became what they are not by choice but by their own tragic past. One of the most typifying quotes from the series I believe came from Hotch when he said that mostly the criminals they catch view back on them (BAU) as the only ones who ever really understood them. --Daraku no Tenshi (talk) 17:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussions of Violence in Criminal Minds
Has anyone tried writing up a section on Criminal Minds and violence, perhaps including some critical reviews of the program? I've seen evidence that Mandy Patinkin left the show because he was becoming morally disturbed by the level of gruesome violence on the show. (75.16.241.13 (talk) 05:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC))


 * I think the series itself reflect this strongly, not just the violence, but the tragic inevidability of how the violence comes to exist, by the constant struggle by the BAU team themselves not to go out of their minds. For the rest, physical violence has almost become normal on television (comparing CM to the average action movie I'd say CM is actually quite low on it), it is the psychological violence and the amount of reality that can make the series quite disturbing... and that is not just a bad thing I might add, because the series usually strongly humanises the unsubs...which makes us remember not only that theyre not such bad people, but also that it could happen to anyone, including ourselves --Daraku no Tenshi (talk) 17:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Citation from the Criminal Minds site: Patinkin says this show "has worn me down. It is physically, mentally and emotionally exhausting." --Daraku no Tenshi (talk) 20:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Season 2 Dual Release Dates
"October 2, 2007 | March 6, 2008". What does this mean? I apologize if I just can't see it, but I think there should be some kind of clarification as to why Season 2 Region 1 has two release dates. Is it being re-released? If so, is it being released on high definition optical disc? Is it just another DVD? More bonus features? What's the deal?

-Sana (talk) 21:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I just did some research on tvshowsondvd.com and I didn't find anything, so I removed this second release date. Perhaps someone intended to place it under Region 2...

-Sana (talk) 15:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series
I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Background Section
I changed the sections around in the beginning of the article. I still have much work left to do. I could use some help w/ the background section, as I have already started it. All we need is main points of the show, not every piece of information. Thanks DJS--DJS24 03:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox
DJS24: I'm bringing this to the article talk page as you haven't done me the courtesy of responding on mine. I would appreciate an actual response, rather than edit warring and unfounded "warnings" via edit summaries. What is your justification for listing the current cast only in the infobox? By listing only those leading cast members who appear in the current season, you are editing with an in-universe bias, which the guideline for fiction strongly opposes. We are supposed to provide an encyclopedic overview of the show as a whole, rather than favouring current events in the manner of a TV guide. If the cast was dozens strong and constantly changing, I could appreciate the practicality of limiting the ibox to those currently starring, but the fact of the matter is there have only been 9 leading actors in the show's history. To omit two of them from the infoxbox is not only in-universe editing, it is also demonstrative recentism, both of which, as I'm sure you're aware, are far from desirable on Wikipedia. As I say, I would appreciate a response, but if you continue to ignore me I am happy to file a Request for Comment to seek wider consensus on the issue. Frickative 11:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I didn't respond to your talkpage, I'm not on Wikipedia 24/7. Here's the point, as I have addressed several times already. I had this discussion almost a year ago about this same topic; of which I will find that discussion where consensus was agreed on to only include current stars. I understand your theory of "in-universe" and "recentism" (words of which I'll never use) in the article, however when it comes to the infobox its misleading. If we add all the past stars to the infobox, it would show Mandy Patinkin starring in the show, which is false information. The ideas of "in-universe" and "recentism" contain to the article not the infobox; adding those ideas to the infobox changes it from correct to incorrect information. Consensus can also be shown here by just looking at all the other current TV show articles. Grey's Anatomy, CSI, ER, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters and several more ONLY have current stars in their infoboxes. Frickative you work on Grey's Anatomy, why haven't you changed that article's infobox? If you did on that article or any other current TV show article it would be reverted in a minute. Now once the show goes off air, then YES we add all the past stars of the show in the infobox. Anymore questions?? --DJS24 14:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I absolutely disagree that it is misleading. Stating that Mandy Patinkin stars in the show is not false information at all. He might not star in the series currently airing, but he certainly stars in the three series prior, and we are representing the show as a whole, not just as it exists at this exact moment in time. I'm not going to run off to change another infobox just to make a point, but I can give you just as many examples of articles with infoboxes which list all of the show's stars, regardless of whether they appear in whichever series is currently on air: Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, Jonathan Creek, Hustle, Lost (the latter even being a Featured Article). Therefore to state that there is consensus amongst "all other current TV show articles" is false. How do you reconcile that? Frickative  15:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Given that you haven't replied in 10 days, am I to assume this discussion is concluded? Of the 4 Featured Articles for current TV series, 2 list every cast member in the ibox, and 2 have cast lists several dozens of people long, and so link in the ibox to the 'List of characters in...' articles. This clearly differs from the consensus you claim is in place, and these articles are the standard all others should be aiming towards. In my view, this is a clear indication that we ought to list Patinkin and Glaudini in the ibox. Frickative  21:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I have been way too busy to deal with this little situation. Based on the information you mentioned, it doesn't help your conclusion at all. This article and several others have always included just current stars. Please review the Las Vegas TV show page, as there is two discussions on infoboxes. Also read the discussion on my talkpage too . I hope you don't think your discussion with Rodhullandemu is evidence, as the facts were merely presented. --DJS24 23:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The fact that Featured Articles list all cast members does not bear any relevance to how we should proceed at all? I find it hard to believe that is the case. Seeing as we clearly are not going to agree on this between ourselves, I will proceed to file a RFC. Frickative  23:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Cast inclusion in infobox
Dispute over whether the infobox for Criminal Minds should include all 9 of the show's stars, or only the 7 who appear in the current series. Frickative 00:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that using only the current cast tends to violate WP:RECENT. Does WP:WikiProject Television have a guideline for dealing with casts in the infobox?  Would it be appropriate to compromise by showing the stars for the series while also indicating the seasons or years that they were stars? —Ost (talk) 16:06, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * First I just want to clarify that I'm talking of just the infobox, not the article. The article should contain all past stars, which it already does. WP:RECENT deals with more of the article than the infobox. My argument here is that the infobox (as it has for months) should only contain current information. That means that it should only mention current stars of the show. Several, if not most, only contain current stars in their infoboxes. Current shows, such as Grey's Anatomy, CSI's, ER, Brothers and Sisters, and several more only contain current stars of the show. Now when the show goes off air, then yes you would mention all the past stars. Putting the past stars in the infobox, in a way is false information. If I go onto the article looking at the infobox and under "starring" it says Mandy Patinkin, that’s not true. Patinkin left the show a year ago. I believe most infoboxes, even outside of TV only contain current information. If you go look up any business or corporation, you only see the current Chairmans, CEOs, and current financial information. You don't see the past CEOs and the past information. I had this same discussion a year ago (a very heated discussion) and the consensus came out to be just naming the current stars. I wish we could come up with some guidelines, as it gets trying explaining this to every different editor. --DJS24 22:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * To address your reply point by point: Your reasoning as to why the infobox should only include current information is not convincing. The fact it has been that way for months is no argument at all, indeed the 'Character' section of the article has been the way it has for months, but that doesn't mean it's not in direct violation of WP:WAF and in dire need of rewriting from scratch. Ergo, status quo is not a valid argument. The fact that the other shows you list do it is also of no relevance. Not a single one of them has been reviewed by the wider community and promoted to either GA or FA level. As I stated upthread, of the 4 Featured Articles for current TV series, 2 of them list all of the show's stars, and 2 have cast lists too long to make it practical and thus link to 'List of characters in...' articles. These are the only articles relevant to discussion, as they have been scrutinised by the wider community, and promoted as examples of what we should be editing towards and emulating. Your idea of consensus, then, does not hold at the top-level, and just because 'X' article does it does not mean that we should too, when in fact it is article 'Y' that is of community approved quality. Stating that Criminal Minds stars Mandy Patinkin is entirely true, and writing as much in the infobox is not false information. As I have stated several times, the article should be relevant to the series as a whole. There is no sense in slanting it only towards the single series currently airing, doing so is recentism and not encyclopedic practice. To address Ost's suggestion - indicating the particular years or series certain cast members appeared is not something that is done in FA quality articles, but it is certainly a compromise I would be prepared to accept until such time the article came under review and it became an issue in potential promotion. Frickative  22:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Everything you just mentioned is your opinion not fact. It's funny how the rules and guidelines change as you deal with different editors. Consensus is consensus, it doesn't matter who’s involved in it. Also, that’s a very broad statement saying, "None of those TV articles have been reviewed by a wider community". Grey's Anatomy and CSI has a very wide community of editors and both articles only have current stars listed. Frickative, I believe you contribute to the Grey's Anatomy page everyday, why haven't you changed that infobox yet? It would get reverted in a minute. The fact that just about every other current TV show article only has current stars listed is very important to mention. Certain articles don't have certain rules. Your argument is no where near convincing. --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 23:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm failing to see how the way things come through FA is my opinion rather than observable fact. If you're going to quote me, at least do so fully. "Not a single one of [those articles] has been reviewed by the wider community and promoted to either GA or FA level". Lots of editors might have looked at the articles, but that has no bearing on this discussion, because those articles are not held up as examples of what others should aspire to. I don't even know what you mean by your aside about guidelines changing, but if you could cease making personal digs and stick to the matter at hand it would be much appreciated. As I stated before, I'm frankly above running off to edit different articles just to make a WP:POINT and that also has no bearing on discussion. Care to address sgeureka's very valid point below? Frickative  23:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * "Current" is subjective, and wikipedia is international. Even if en.wikipedia restricts itself to only the English-speaking countries, I doubt that the UK, Canada and Australia also broadcast the "current" US season within a few months of the US (I could be wrong though). Ergo, there is no "current". Ergo, the full cast should be mentioned in the infobox. An alternative is to just  See Cast section  the Cast parameter of the infobox. (I say this from the perspective of a TV viewer who gets to view the "current" US season usually about 6 months to 2 years after the original US broadcast). – sgeureka t•c 22:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Though current can certainly be subjective, it can easily be defined as the current season of the country where it is first aired and produced. This may seem America-centric but it certainly does not have to be. My local PBS station has not aired anything past the 21st series of Last of the Summer Wine. Series 22-30 have not yet aired in my area. Yet listing the full cast of that show in the infobox would be extremely cumbersome as many people as have starred on the show. I would rather opt, for simplicity, for the cast list from series 30 rather than the cast list from series 1-21 just to appear international. Redfarmer (talk) 02:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - See WP:MOSTV, which suggests providing a link to the "Characters" section of the page, instead of listing any cast members, when the cast list is so long or ever changing.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Rewording
I find vast sections of this article to be quite dull, would anyone mind if I re-wrote parts of it to create a more engaging approach?

TheUnfortunate (talk) 21:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No objection here - which parts in particular are you planning on re-writing? I was planning on tackling the Character section at some point because the whole thing really needs starting from scratch and re-writing from a real-world perspective, but I probably won't have time for it for a while yet. So by all means, go ahead :) Frickative  22:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I was looking at that section as well, although I think most of it could be edited, mainly to create easier-to-read sentences.

TheUnfortunate (talk) 06:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm with Frickative here. The characters are too detailed and lack any outside view which would be interesting or even helpful for non CM addicts. Also, the characters take way too much space. A short overview to get the premise is okay, but there needn't be a timeline to Hotchner's marriage and divorce, e.g. --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 15:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the words "literally the worst program on television" should be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.20.67.148 (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

PC Game
This section reads as if it was lifted right off a press release or an ad. 24.85.37.183 (talk) 06:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've removed the entire section. You're more right than you may think. It was, literally, lifted, almost word-for-word, from the source that was cited. Besides that huge issue, it was definitely overly promotional and broke NPOV. Ugh. Thanks for bringing this up. --132 04:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

'Clarification needed'
Regarding this request for clarification: 'After being kidnapped by an un-sub in "Revelations", he is drugged with narcotic painkillers and held captive by a man who has multiple personality disorder and sometimes believes he is his father, the angel Raphael or himself. As a result, he becomes addicted...', I propose to clarify the sentence by rewriting it thus:

'In "Revelations" he is kidnapped, held captive and drugged with narcotic painkillers by an un-sub named Tobias, who has multiple personality disorder. Tobias has 3 alter egos-himself (Tobias), his late father and The angel Raphael. As a result of these events, Reid becomes addicted...'

I believe this makes things clearer, but is it too detailed? What other suggestions do you have for re-writing this? If there are no objections or suggestions in the next 72 hours, I will edit in my re-write. Dodoandthetoymaker (talk) 13:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Websites for Criminal Minds
There are many Criminal Minds websites, for example, I made one yesterday and it is CriminalMindsonline.webs.com. There is also A&E.com, ION.com, Iwatchcriminalminds.com, and much more! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.41.176 (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Only the official sites, plus popular television databases are necessary under WP:EL. Fansites should not be included unless there is some extraordinary reason to include them and it always preferable to have none listed than any at all. --132 16:02, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Why? I want to promote my site and give readers of wikipedeia a chance to find more. ~


 * Promotion is the number one reason it can't be included. Please view the guidelines at WP:EL for more information. --132 15:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Moral of the story
At the end of every episode there is a "moral of the story" where can i find a list of those sayings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.151.55 (talk) 15:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh you mean the quotes. You can find them here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Criminal_Minds. Evan Weinstein | Talk 10:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The link wasn't there because you used a reference tag. I've changed it to a link. Digifiend (talk) 16:12, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Logo
Where is the Logo of Criminal Minds???--91.64.228.105 (talk) 18:49, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

In-universe character descriptions
The recent edit to separate the characters into "current" and "former" agents violates the standard of describing fiction from a real-world perspective (despite that it may seem the opposite is true.) Characters and action are to be described in the present-tense because they only "happen" whenever the audience reads or views the story. For instance, Hotchner's wife is alive, and she is killed by the Reaper. Unlike the real world, these statements are not contradictary. Similarly, Gideon is the Unit Chief, until he decides he can't take it anymore and resigns.

The statement "these characters left the BAU" is only true if one lives "in-universe", which is generally to be avoided. :-) This series is continually in syndicated re-runs, in which Gideon, Greenway, et al are present.

The separation is also unnecessary; there is already adequate notice in the infobox, the character table, and some of the descriptions (which really should be moved to a separate Cast section), that these actors (with their characters) have left the show, so no readers should be confused. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Should Garcia be considered the new media liaison?
Well, she seems to be temporarily taking over the role of JJ (Season 6 Episode 4), and Thomas Gibson has said that there would most likely not be a replacement —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.205.226 (talk) 08:34, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Definitely not. Did you watch the entire show last night? At the end, she proves to herself, and tells Hotchner (not Gibson) that she cannot do both jobs. He decides to work out a compromise in which he will continue to do the liason duties while Garcia concentrates on her analyst duties (usually from Quantico) which are of supreme value to the team, while calling her to the field when appropriate (which is essentially the status quo.)
 * Although it would be worth adding her volunteer trial liason stint in her character section. JustinTime55 (talk) 15:10, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Effect on Character table
Misguided attempts to add Garcia to the Liason column were properly reverted, but the net effect was to remove the column completely. Even though Jareau is (to date) the only occupant, there is value in the column being there, and removing it because the post is vacant makes the table in-universe rather than real-world; just because there is no liason now doesn't change the fact that Jarreau is media liason (rather than just an SSA) for the first five seasons +. JustinTime55 (talk) 15:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Instead of having the phrase "Entire team contributes", can we wait till the end of the season before we decide? Till then, we should leave a blank spot on season 6. There might be a replacement in stall, we dont know yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.152.99 (talk) 09:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Jordon Todd as media liaison?
In season 4, she was the temporary media liaison. Should we add her to the character rolls even though she was a guest star? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.152.99 (talk) 09:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Paget Brewster: Don't Jump the Gun.
Before Brewster is out of the show, please dont put Paget as having her last episode in season 6. Season 6 is not over yet! The souce that is quoted says that they are in negotiations that they are cutting down the number of episodes only! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.152.221 (talk) 13:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Characters
This section has multiple issues. It is written totally in-universe. It essentially duplicates the separate main article. The jargon used to reference episodes is not clear and at odds with the style used in the episode list. Robert A.West (Talk) 02:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

There's also a note in this section which suggests that Diana Reid developed schizophrenia as a result of the crime that she witnessed. This is not true. In the same episode, she mentions that she mentions that she went off of her medication when she was pregnant with Spencer, which preceded the crime around which that episode was based. 201.194.67.126 (talk) 01:16, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Notable Unsubs section dispute
An IP editor removed said section once, it was reverted, I then removed it again quoting first IP editor's reasoning as sound. The "Notable Unsubs" page is strictly POV. What criteria was used for inclusion on those guest characters as opposed to any other? What additional media or publicity did those characters garner that other suspects in the show did not? What makes them more notable than any other character? The answer is, none! These are simply one persons views of notable story lines. Additionally, it's entirely against convention on the project. Note that more popular, or similar shows, such as NCIS, CSI, Law and Order, etc do not highlight select characters in this fashion. The norm, or most accepted practice is to list recurring guest stars, and a short synopsis of their involvement in the show on a separate page, or in an episode guide. As is now, the text is pov, unnecessarily elongates the article, highlights select characters of no more note than any other, creates a list without any stated criteria for inclusion, and is clearly a point of contention. My recommendation is to cut a majority of the fluff and nonsense out of this section, to remove the feel of it being an episode guide, and to move it to its own page with a strict and clear criteria for future inclusions. Remove the POV/weasel word "Notable" from the page altogether, UNLESS said character has received critical acclaim, or significant media coverage to make them more notable than any other suspect on the show. Additionally, the only input given by the reverting editor was something about "removing 13k of good information." I challenge the assertion that it's good information, it's mostly fluff. 99.169.250.133 (talk) 06:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, let's not gild the lily here. Both IPs who removed this section are from the same area code and general location, so I don't think it's  productive to suggest that it's two separate people making the same argument.  And the section itself  appears not to be "one person's view", as it's been in the article since November and has been added to by more than one editor.  That said, I would agree that "notable"  isn't a great choice of words for the header in any case, and I note that this article already has a separate List of Criminal Minds characters daughter article.  So it would seem to me that the "list of characters" article should be expanded to include characters like these unsubs, just like List of NCIS characters includes a few characters who are comparable such as La Grenouille and Paloma Reynosa. What's done on one article does not mean it should be done on others, but it also is not "entirely against convention on the project" to include characters who recurred or had some other impact on the main characters - as in Foyet's killing of Hotchner's wife.   So instead of arguing just  for lopping off  material that in some sense does belong in the Criminal Minds articles, the better argument would be to remove most or all of the material about all of the characters  that is now here (leaving perhaps a short list of the current main characters with the link to the sub-article) and consolidate that material with what is now in List of Criminal Minds characters, including sections over there for main characters, supporting characters, recurring characters, deceased characters, other characters as in List of NCIS characters or List of Bones characters - or some similar structure - but including Foyet, et al, and adding any other "notable" unsubs or side characters.    I would support that overhaul, which would make this main article easier to navigate, and is common practice, already in place for this article. No reason to have this material in two places, but contrary to what you're saying, it should be in one. Tvoz / talk 08:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * (Copied from my talkpage where the IP is trying to still make claim) Maybe some of the information is a little excessive, but it doesn't call for blanking the whole thing. I am thinking about mabye a list of all the unsubs from Criminal Minds then just to get it out of the main article, but we should leave the other text for the time being as it's related to the show, and gives a point or two on what's going on in the show. I am not saying "Yes those guys are the most notable and should be there", I am saying that we shouldn't be removing good information. We could put more in if we want. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  13:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a note the two IP users are the same for all intent purposes. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  13:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, that the double IP is one person is clear to me too, as noted in my comment above. Tvoz / talk 18:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * My thought is not to eliminate this material from the encyclopedia, but to move this material to the List article, and to reduce all of the character stuff now in the main article - see Bones (tv series) and List of Bones characters - and adding other unsubs to the List article makes sense too, as in Bones, which is a little different from NCIS. Either way works. I think the duplication between this article and the List is problematic, and the section in the main article, with the pointer to the List, should be a summary of the List article - using summary style.  The main article can have a shorter list of characters with at most a few words about each of them, and the List article have the longer detail.    As to when it's done, I agree that just removing from here  is not the way to go - the List should be upgraded first, and then this one shrunk.  It's a project - I'm not able to take it on, but perhaps the IP will, if he/she is interested in  improving the encyclopedia. Tvoz / talk 18:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Full Support Exactly what I had in mind, I could but it would take a long time for me to do it. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  23:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Great idea!!! Turning some material (which is probably violating policies) into a whole new article! Manish Earth Talk •  Stalk 03:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Is Elle Gideon's daughter?
Sorry - I don't know how to Wiki-communicate .. but in the episode in which Elle is on the train, she calls Gideon and calls him Dad. I haven't seen any article or Wiki Reference which addresses this plot line. Anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simphx (talk • contribs) 07:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Indented line No, Elle is not Gideon's daughter. In the episode you are referring to, I believe Elle addresses Gideon as "dad" because she is trying not to give away to the hostage-taker that she is an FBI agent and talking to other FBI agents. 12.35.11.2 (talk) 17:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

regarding when it airs in norway
i corrected it to the correct time. tv2 change the times whenever they make major changes to the schedule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.86.142 (talk) 21:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Crew of Criminal Minds
Félix Enríquez Alcalá (11 episodes, 2005-2009) Glenn Kershaw (11 episodes, 2006-2011) Edward Allen Bernero (11 episodes, 2006-2010) John E. Gallagher (11 episodes, 2007-2011) Guy Norman Bee (10 episodes, 2005-2010) Charles S. Carroll (8 episodes, 2009-2011) Charles Haid (6 episodes, 2005-2010) Rob Spera (6 episodes, 2007-2011) Steve Boyum (5 episodes, 2006-2009) Gloria Muzio (5 episodes, 2006-2007) Matt Earl Beesley (4 episodes, 2005-2006) Anna Foerster (4 episodes, 2009-2011) Gwyneth Horder-Payton (3 episodes, 2006-2009) Rob Hardy (3 episodes, 2009-2011) Nelson McCormick (3 episodes, 2009-2011) Richard Shepard (2 episodes, 2005-2010) Andy Wolk (2 episodes, 2005-2010) Tim Matheson (2 episodes, 2006-2009) Adam Davidson (2 episodes, 2006) Bobby Roth (2 episodes, 2008) Karen Gaviola (2 episodes, 2009) Matthew Gray Gubler (2 episodes, 2010-2011) Douglas Aarniokoski (2 episodes, 2011)

Jeff Davis (137 episodes, 2005-2011) Erica Messer (20 episodes, 2005-2011) Edward Allen Bernero (15 episodes, 2005-2010) Chris Mundy (14 episodes, 2006-2010) Simon Mirren (13 episodes, 2005-2011) Debra J. Fisher (12 episodes, 2005-2009) Andrew Wilder (9 episodes, 2005-2009) Jay Beattie (8 episodes, 2007-2009) Dan Dworkin (8 episodes, 2007-2009) Breen Frazier (8 episodes, 2008-2011) Oanh Ly (7 episodes, 2007-2010) Rick Dunkle (7 episodes, 2009-2011) Aaron Zelman (6 episodes, 2005-2007) Andi Bushell (4 episodes, 2006-2008) Edward Napier (3 episodes, 2005-2006) Jim Clemente (3 episodes, 2006-2011) Holly Harold (3 episodes, 2008-2009) Kimberly A. Harrison (3 episodes, 2010-2011) Randy Huggins (3 episodes, 2010-2011) Alicia Kirk (3 episodes, 2010-2011) Janine Sherman (3 episodes, 2010-2011) Judith McCreary

Edward Allen Bernero .... 	executive producer (137 episodes, 2005-2011) Gigi Coello-Bannon .... 	producer / co-producer / ... (136 episodes, 2005-2011) Erica Messer .... 	supervising producer / co-executive producer / ... (136 episodes, 2005-2011) Deborah Spera .... 	executive producer / co-executive producer (136 episodes, 2005-2011) Simon Mirren .... 	co-executive producer / executive producer / ... (135 episodes, 2005-2011) Mark Gordon .... 	executive producer (132 episodes, 2005-2011) Charles S. Carroll .... 	producer / line producer (113 episodes, 2006-2011) Glenn Kershaw .... 	supervising producer / producer (113 episodes, 2006-2011) Jennifer Yates .... 	associate producer (107 episodes, 2006-2011) Chris Mundy .... 	co-executive producer / executive producer / ... (100 episodes, 2006-2010) Debra J. Fisher .... 	co-executive producer / producer / ... (89 episodes, 2005-2009) Breen Frazier .... 	supervising producer / producer (72 episodes, 2008-2011) Aaron Zelman .... 	co-executive producer / supervising producer (45 episodes, 2005-2007) Jay Beattie .... 	co-executive producer / supervising producer (44 episodes, 2007-2009) Dan Dworkin .... 	co-executive producer / supervising producer (44 episodes, 2007-2009) Andrew Wilder .... 	supervising producer / co-producer (44 episodes, 2007-2009) Andi Bushell .... 	supervising producer (43 episodes, 2006-2008) Jeff Davis .... 	co-executive producer / executive producer (31 episodes, 2005-2007) Holly Harold .... 	producer (25 episodes, 2008-2009) Randy Huggins .... 	producer (24 episodes, 2010-2011) Alicia Kirk .... 	producer (24 episodes, 2010-2011) Janine Sherman .... 	co-executive producer (24 episodes, 2010-2011) Howard Griffith .... 	co-producer (23 episodes, 2009-2010) Herb Adelman .... 	co-producer (21 episodes, 2005-2006) Peter Schindler .... 	co-executive producer (21 episodes, 2005-2006) Francis Conway .... 	co-producer (14 episodes, 2008-2009) Charles Murray .... 	producer (13 episodes, 2007-2008) Judy McCreary .... 	co-executive producer (12 episodes, 2005-2006) Kiegan Downs .... 	associate producer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.21.217 (talk) 01:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Pic
What happened to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.16.234 (talk • contribs) 07:48, November 15, 2006


 * You didn't sign that, Johnny Bluetype. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.231 (talk) 06:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pinch it, curl it, and lick it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.57 (talk) 05:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Emily Prentiss
Why are the 3 rows of Emily Prentiss in the table not connected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.74.76 (talk) 15:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Jason Gideon
Jason Gideon Wikipedia entry has been deleted by the administrator Explicit. I believe we should recreate this page following the WP Standards as Gideon is the only major character without an entry in the Wikipedia. The claim for PROD was "100% unreliable secondary sources". Ppaulojr (talk) 01:53, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Link superimposed on page
There seems to be a link "superimposed" on the page that sends anyone who clicks anywhere on the page to http://jews.jimmy-rustl.in/. This superimposed link disables anyone from accessing any pages links on the page. I don't know how to remove this link myself. Could someone try to fix the page? 173.69.35.168 (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hiphop.
The Criminal Minds is also a -90's hiphop group, not to be confused with the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.21.92.133 (talk) 10:26, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Production
I just noticed there is no section about the production of the show. I was looking for some real world information about the authenticity of the psychology behind the show. 188.142.191.147 (talk) 23:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Meta Golding: not part of the main cast
Meta Golding was not a main cast member, and was credited as part of the guest cast for her time on the show.

Can somebody please remove her from the main cast section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.251.10 (talk) 09:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

how have season 9 ratings been worked out
Can you please advise why Wikipedia has opted for 12.66 viewers for season 9 of Criminal Minds. Three website have come up with three average rating for this show for season 9.

The TV series finals website and TV by the number have worked out the average to be 10.88 whilst http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/criminal-minds-season-nine-ratings-30062/

Whilst TV media in sight is saying 12.66, but how have the come to this figure http://www.tvmediainsights.com/cbs-nbc-win-traditional-tv-season/

TV series has broken it down into episode and so have TV by the number to show how the average rating was worked out for the season and how many viewers each episode got.

Can Wikipedia explain why the feel TV media is a more reliable source that the other two website? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay99a (talk • contribs) 16:09, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

BAU team jet
Anyone know what type is the team's private jet? Is it a Learjet? Shuipzv3 (talk) 09:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * fwiw, I've seen a Gulfstream IV in the early seasons, and a Gulfstream 550 in later seasons. 108.114.2.47 (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Criminal Minds (franchise)
Hi!

Can someone of you creat an article like Law & Order (franchise) or NCIS (franchise)? Because Criminal Minds is now a franchise. There are three TV-series. I can't do it because my English is not good. Thanks! --Actany28 (talk) 09:45, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

FBI BAU Senior Supervisory Special Agent ???
I never before heard something of a Rank called "Senior Supervisiory Special Agent".

Is that a mistake?

Could someone check that?Leroyjgibbs (talk) 14:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes - they do have this position; I believe they also use it in the show as well. I could be wrong about the show one. --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 16:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Based solely on memory (need sources) only Rossi is a Senior Supervisory Special Agent. Hotchner and Gideon always introduced themselves as Supervisory Special Agent. Morgan, Reid, Prentiss, and Greenaway are Special Agents. Jereau is just an Agent. Need to get this confirmed, as they may not be current ranks. Peabody80 (talk) 04:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Rossi definitely does not outrank Hotchner, as that was one of the manin plot points made when he returned to the show: that he would work with Hotchner as his boss. 149.160.35.186 (talk) 18:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I hope to join the BAU so I did some more study into it and there is such thing.

I agree with this in that it seems inconsistent. Lady Anwyn ♥♥♀♥♥ 17:44, 28 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladyanwyn (talk • contribs)

Who was chief in first season??
If you refer to criminal minds wiki page, it states that Gideon the chief after he came back from a leave of absence and went back to the BAU. However, he gave up his position after the first season and gave it to Hotchner? I have temporarily edited this page to change this fact. My citation would be from criminal minds wikipedia. Whoever is not fine with this idea, could give some comments about this??

Thks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.244.235 (talk) 13:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I always wondered about that. It seems like there should have been a report-to for Gideon, but then again it was never brought up. I knew that he was in charge of the team. When he left, that role fell onto Hotchner. Even when Rossi came back on board, he still reported to Hotchner. During a time when Hotchner wasn't able to maintain his position of team leader, that was when we were introduced to Erin Strauss - Section Chief - who asked Morgan to assume the role of team leader. I remember that he stated that he would comply, but only until Hotchner was able to resume his role as BAU Team Leader.


 * So sorry for more information than asked-for. Lady Anwyn ♥♥♀♥♥ 18:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladyanwyn (talk • contribs)

New character
Adam Rodriguez as Luke Alves, a new character added in season 12 that was confirmed and nobody even wanted to add him. so this poor guy cant even live his life, because according to these people he doesnt even exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.10.168 (talk) 17:10, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That wasn't funny when you added it yesterday, and its not funny when you wrote it here today. Read WP:CRYSTAL as has been said a number of times, in addition to reading the explanation given in the edit field which you are ignoring. After the first episode airs he can be added. Until then, he hasnt been on the show. -  Galatz Talk  18:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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File:CriminalMindsPromo.jpg
Hello again, BU Rob13. The image is used in this article, Criminal Minds. The usage is potentially valid, but I think the rationale should be adjusted/changed to reflect that. Also, I would like the images merged from Gallery section to Cast/Characters section. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 21:43, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I doubt it is valid. File:Criminal_Minds_at_Paley.jpg is a free alternative depicting the cast, and they aren't in character in the image in question, so we can't draw that distinction. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 21:55, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The free alternative looks like either a press conference or some convention. The non-free image depicts the characters of the show accurately, especially by looking at their uniforms. May you please take the non-free image to FFD please, BU Rob13? Thanks. By the way, see Ally McBeal and Law & Order. --George Ho (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of in the middle of a side project, but you have my permission to remove the delayed CSD tag and take this to FFD procedurally, copying our conversation here and my original rationale. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 22:02, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Taken to Files for discussion/2017 July 27. --George Ho (talk) 22:22, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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Cast member Daniel Henney
Was it really necessary to act like that in the edit summary when you reverted my edit. A simple answer of "that is no longer true" would have sufficed. The information I had at the time was that he was a member of the cast of Criminal Minds: Beyond Borders. If the edits hadn't occurred when they did would you have noticed he wasn't on the cast list? Please assume good faith until you have real cause to be belligerent. — Myk Streja ( beep ) 02:01, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

And there it is. Mr. Henney has not yet received star billing. So what rock have you been hiding under? — Myk Streja ( beep ) 13:49, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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"Receptión" section is very outdated
It talks just about season 1 Somebody should update it186.29.54.38 (talk) 15:31, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Dispute involving network?
I was going through Recent Changes and noticed there seems to be a dispute involving the network this show is airing on. Can we get this worked out before it devolves into an edit war?Plutonical (talk) 20:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)