Talk:Criminal justice system of the Netherlands

Effectiveness of Dutch criminal justice system
There's news that the Dutch are closing some of their prisons due to vacant cells, and are taking in prisoners from Belgium, also.

How are they able to do that? What do they do, especially, that's so effective?

The online article that I read was from a Dutch source, although it was in English, and they seemed to take it for granted.

Here's the link:

http://vorige.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals

Thanks to anyone who can add information on this, to this article! Entwhiz (talk) 10:06, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

In fact they do not have prisoners because they are too benevolent with the criminals, for example, a fake passport will hardly get a sentence of more than 2 months, people with two fake passports are getting 3 months, the prisons are more like hotels, the prisoners receive money to order stuff, there are ovens (electrical/microwave) in the cells, and no bars whatsoever. Two fake passports is not an illegal immigrant, but a drug dealer. That's why Netherlands is the one-stop-shop for drug dealers in Europe, if you ever get caught, you stay 3 months in a prison with hvac, lots of food and some money, and then you're free to go back home. Not even Jesus H Christ would be so forgiving.

Netherland is a decent country, but the prisons and sentences are a shame. I certainly would not like to see my taxes paying a good life to criminals and the scum.

Answering your questions:

How are they able to do that? What do they do

> They simply release their prisoners right away

especially, that's so effective?

> That's surely an effective way to clear out the prisons, just release them all

Effectiveness of Dutch criminal justice system
There's news that the Dutch are closing some of their prisons due to vacant cells, and are taking in prisoners from Belgium, also.

How are they able to do that? What do they do, especially, that's so effective?

The online article that I read was from a Dutch source, although it was in English, and they seemed to take it for granted.

Here's the link:

http://vorige.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals

However, I see that this is also true in the U.S. - here's the link for that:

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/128349653.html

Thanks to anyone who can give a more complete explanation of this! Entwhiz (talk) 13:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Updating for the Judicial Overhaul of 2013
The Dutch court system saw an overhaul in 2013 when the number of district courts (rechtbanken) was brought down to 11 and the number of courts of appeal (gerechtshoven) to 4. Another remark would be that there is a third Administrative law court, namely the Administrative Law section of the Council of State (Afdeling Bestuursrechtspraak Raad van State). The latter is actually the "standard" highest court in administrative matters, with cases only being handled by the Centrale Raad van beroep and the College van beroep voor het bedrijfsleven if the specific class of cases has been delegated to them.

For easy reference, see the website of the Dutch Judiciary: http://www.rechtspraak.nl/English/Judicial-System/Pages/default.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.217.113.247 (talk) 13:32, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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Article seems to be seriously out of date with regard to current events.
The article says:


 * Following the prison construction boom of the 1980s, prison capacity increased from 3,300 occupants to approximately 12,800.[39] In the 1990s, capacity was further increased by an additional 3,500 individuals, bringing the total prison capacity to approximately 16,300 persons.[28] This trend is likely to continue into the future. At least one commentator has noted that the enactment of a “three strikes law” has the potential to raise the Dutch incarceration rate to that of American levels.[40]

But according to several news articles -- such as this one from March 2016 -- the number of both criminal offenders and prisons are dramatically being reduced...


 * In 2013, 19 prisons in the Netherlands closed because the country didn't have enough criminals to fill them.


 * Now, five more are slated to close their doors by the end of the summer, according to internal documents obtained by The Telegraaf.


 * While these closures will result in the loss of nearly 2,000 jobs, only 700 of which will transition into other unknown roles within Dutch law enforcement, the trend of closing prisons follows a steady drop in crime since 2004.


 * The problem of empty jail cells has even gotten to the point where, last September, the country imported 240 prisoners from Norway just to keep the facilities full.

So what has changed? Koala Tea Of Mercy ( KTOM's Articulations &amp; Invigilations ) 10:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

The second part of that section appears to be conflicting the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.94.169.57 (talk) 08:29, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Fluff piece?
The section on "Incarceration" at least reads like a fluff piece with a lot of colorful emotive language (for instance, the US having an "extreme" rate whereas NL has a "mere" rate). Probably needs a serious dose of NPOV. I am not the person for the job, just noticed it and pointing it out lol. HeroofTime55 (talk) 07:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)