Talk:Criminology/Archive 1

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Proposal for WikiProject Crime
A proposal for WikiProject Crime has been made at the WikiProject Council. MadMax 22:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Schools
Give briefly the ideas of the schools? -- &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.180.59 (talk • contribs).


 * To encapsulate all the schools would take too long and duplicate the material on their ownpages. Simply contrasting Classical and Positivist is probably enough. David91 09:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[the following edit is not from David91!]: I am a law graduate from germany. Mentioning the chicago school in the context of classical (aka italian school) and positivist school is simply wrong. The chicago school should rather be mentioned as a basis for certain crime theories. There is also no mentioning of people like Lacassagne, Tarde and Franz. v. Liszt. Furthermore i think it's wrong to put the main focus in this article on british and american researchers. While it's true that many theories of crime have been developed by american researchers in the 20th century, the roots of criminology as a scientific field are more "european based".


 * I think there may be an arguement for a sociological school of criminology, as the chicage school did inspire many radical criminologists in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, which have been somewhat influential. Votemoose 12:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup links
While I have broader intentions of cleaning and expanding the criminology article, I'd like to start with the external links. I added a couple reputable links (American Society of Criminology, and National Criminal Justice Reference Service). However, there are two that I don't think need to be there:


 * Criminology site with a UK focus and many useful links - This site doesn't seem that useful or informative to me. It's also poorly designed and difficult to read (and look at), given the colors used.  I don't think the information adds much value either, beyond what Wikipedia can do.  If some of those links listed on that site are truly useful, we can link to them directly in the appropriate article.


 * The New Criminologist - This is a link to a "criminology" &mdash; true crime &mdash; publication, which requires payment to view the articles. I also don't think it's content is so great and is not scholarly; the University of Toronto &mdash; a top criminology school &mdash; does not subscribe to it, as is also the case for the University of Maryland, College Park and other universities.

Please discuss here if you disagree about removing these links. Otherwise, these will be removed in a couple days. --Aude 21:32, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I removed the external link The New Criminologist. This is not a "scholarly" publication, as a user above put it.  I can elaborate if anyone wishes.  Panastasia 16:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Seconded (thirded?). The link can stay above if anyone's really interested. zzuuzz (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Rehabilitation
Can someone with an interest or expertise in penology have a look at Rehabilitation (penology)? It's in dire need of serious attention. I've placed cats and the template, but am really not qualified to write very much on the subject. Regards — Encephalon 10:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Introduction
"Criminology is an interdisciplinary field in the behavioural sciences, drawing especially on the research of sociologists and psychologists, as well as on writings in law." Please note that this is only one of the different visions. Others think that criminology is a proper science on its own and even others do think that it is only a subscience in the sociology. Could this be stated as well? 81.82.202.139 14:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC) I don't think any criminology program nor major university department suggests that criminology is anything but a multi-disciplinary field, given that every aspect of criminology is drawn or adapted from another field. Psychology plays too large a role for it to be a sub-catagory of sociology, for example. Virtually every criminology tool or study has its roots in another discipline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.165.117.180 (talk) 20:28, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

It makes little sense to list Criminology as one of 20 articles under the Sociology subheading 1.14 of Vital Articles Level Four Society and Social Sciences for at least two reasons: 1) It is inconsistent with Wikipedia's own introduction of Criminology as "interdisciplinary" and "drawing upon the research of sociologists, psychologists, philosophers..." Wikipedia even introduces it as a concept developed by a French anthropologist and Italian law professor, not a sociologist. 2) This inherently eliminates many, many theories of crime, such as those based in biology, psychology, and economics, and fact, the entry unsurprisingly does lack all of those schools/approaches and the theories within them. Rather, Criminology should stand alone (say, 1.16 within Society and Social Sciences, or perhaps under 1.9 Law, which already has Crime. Interestingly, the Crime subheading of Law includes a single theory of crime--labeling theory--which would make much more sense under Criminology given the current organizational structure. Whiteacrek (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The parent discipline is sociology, with Many sociology programs offering it as a specialisation.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 23:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Get Money?
Can someone tell me why it says "Get Money" before criminology? I can't seem to delete it, I assume someone else here will be able to. Ronius 22:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone vandalized the template. Vandalism has been removed and the template is semi-protected, to help prevent it in the future.  --Aude (talk) 22:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

how do crime and deviance vary with age,gender and class?
Crime and deviance vary with age,gender and class in different manner. can anybody kindly give me the answer of how crime and deviance vary with age,gender and class in different manner? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.70.64.58 (talk • contribs)

no discussion of modern genetic theories of crime
a balanced article needs to discuss MODERN theories of crime which consider a genetic component. e.g Crime and Human Nature —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.56.227.92 (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Biosocial criminology
I've created an article on Biosocial criminology; I am not sure to which section here I should add it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Nature vs nurture?
All the theories presented in the article seem to be sociological theories that look at society for the causes of crime. Haven't there also been theories, even if they are discredited now, that criminal behavior is caused by inherited factors? The 1877 sociological study of the Jukes family, was widely interpreted as evidence of the inheritance of criminality. It and the many subsequent family studies such as the Kallikaks, Nams, etc. were enormously influential during the Progressive era in persuading the public that some families were breeding generations of "defectives", criminals and harlots. Modern research has debunked this and showed that what these families were mainly suffering from was poverty, racism, and lack of educational opportunities. I read somewhere that phrenology, popular in the late 1800s, was used by supposed "scientific" researchers to identify "criminal" facial types. Of course this was just racial profiling; the "criminal" facial features turned out to be the common features of southern European, black and Hispanic immigrants that middle-class Americans blamed for crime. This flawed evidence of supposed inheritable criminal tendencies was used to justify the eugenics movement of the early 1900s that was responsible for anti-miscegenation laws, racist immigration policies, and the horrible excesses of forced sterilization laws and Nazi eugenics. All of these were promoted as "anti-crime" policies. -- Chetvorno TALK 02:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I think these historical theories are important to include, because it seems to me that there has been an increase in "medical" or "genetic" explanations for criminal behavior, at least in popular culture, during the last few decades. Recent police procedural TV shows like Law and Order show even teenage criminals being incarcerated for life on the basis of a psychiatrist's diagnosis that they have some incurable psychological syndrome that makes them a threat to society, which (it is strongly implied) they were simply born with. I don't know how accurate a portrayal of modern criminology this is, but something should be said about it. -- Chetvorno TALK 02:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The above two sections seem to agree that the article should say something about this aspect of the subject. -- Chetvorno TALK 20:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Public Criminology
A section of criminology that focuses on the public including students, academic scholars and ordinary people in the community having a voice in changing public policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MissSammy79 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

What is crime
Why 175.176.76.110 (talk) 10:53, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Erroneous Origin of Term "Criiminology"
The statement that the term "criminology" was originated in Italian in 1885 is erroneous. Check out the Oxford English Dictionary for 1872 occurrence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.36.7.54 (talk) 01:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Criminology
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why do people commit crime
people commit crime basically because of their society or economy melt down 102.89.47.168 (talk) 10:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC)