Talk:Crips/Archive 1

Cocaine?
Do we really need an entire paragraph devoted to explaining what cocaine and crack are in the middle of a gang article? I understand that it's related, but there's no reason to expound on the subject when it can just be linked. Bradenmcg 15:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * crack was invented and promulagated in Los Angeles by a Crip named freeway ricky ross. Most gang members make a living (so to speak) by selling crack, and the life of a gang-related drug dealer has become mythologized in popular culture since the beginnings of gangsta rap. i feel it's notable enough to have a section devoted to it.Gilgamesh Rex 18:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Washington High
Washington High is said to be located in Fremont, California. When you click on Fremont, it says its a neighborhood by San Jose, which is 6 hours away from LA. Is there a mistake there?
 * There are many washington highs. Tookie and some original crips were students at the one in Los Angeles. Reggaedelgado 06:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, and thanks for catching the bad link. I think the one they went to is now formerly called "Washington Preparatory Senior High School", but we don't have an article on it yet. -Willmcw 09:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Fremont High School is different from Washington Preparatory. Fremont is located at 7676 S San Pedro St, Los Angeles, CA 90003.(www.fremonths.org)

theories
I've heard a few theories on how the name "Crip" came about... anyone got books on their history? One theory (i believe!) is that they were first called the "cribs" or came from "cribs", another gang. The second says the letters stand for something - "community, something, something", ... and so forth. I've seen both theories in books and on television documentaries but I'm not sure which to start with. Basically, if you've got a book about these street gangs please add a line or two until we can flesh it out. Don't be afraid to simply say "One theory is..." "...as Mrs. Writer writes in SOME BOOK". We can add all theories here, just cite your sources. I wish I had the information on hand, I hope this helps someone start off. JoeHenzi 22:50, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Community Revolution in Progress, it started as a Black Power movement, but ended up as a gang.

The name Crip is not an acronym for anything, that is a complete fallacy. If you read the book "Blue Rage, Black Redemption" by Stanley Williams' who is the co-founder of the original Crips gang, you will read in the beginning of the book that the original name of the gang was Cribs but it changed to Crips simply because of member mispronunciation. - Patrice Azi

C.R.I.P.S. is an acronym. It stands for Clandestine Revolutionary International Party Soldier. It was cofounded by Stanley "Tookie" Williams. Read Sanyika Shakur's (real name Kody Scott, aka Monster Kody)book Italic textMonster. He explains this in his book. It makes sense too, becuase the gang was formed around 1980, at the end of the reign of the Black Panthers, a similar organization pushing for the advancement of black people.

C.R.I.P. is also thought to have a similar acronym to the above. Current Revolution In Progress.

In the book do or die by leon bing, the formation of the crips and the choice of name is explained in full. in the early sixties there were many independent street gangs in Los Angeles' Compton area. Also residents of the area were many people of asian descent, often immigrants or first-generation, and they were advised by police to travel in groups to avoid gang violence. A group of what would become the crips attacked a group of elderly asians, presumably for money, etc. the police, taking a report from the victims, heard an old women repeatedly refer to one of her attackers as a "crip", due to his limp and use of a cane. The name stuck. Do or Die is also a wonderful read for those interested in the formation and politics of gangs in late 80's/early 90's Los Angeles.Gilgamesh Rex 19:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The Crips were founded in 1971 not 1980.

Crip nation
Most Crips are actually associated with a much larger gang nation group called the folks. Conversely, the bloods are in the people nation. Crips orginally were called crib gangs. Because most of the members lived on smaller avenues called "crib avenues". Eventually the name changed to crips. The folk nation (which once again includes the crips) adopted the Star of David as their symbol for David Barksdale or King David, a leader the folk nation. Also, the crips wear everything to the left, although the original folks, started in chicago, wear everything to the right. The Gangs have been known to join nation sets due to the need to ally against more powerful gangs. Nation sets also allow for drug trafficking and distribution. In addition, gang nations are important in prisons because prisoner's come from a vareity of cities and gangs. This allows individual gang members to be allied in prison and form gangs without dishonoring their local gang. For information regarding gang nations: [[Gang nation]


 * Was wondering about this myself. Would you mind making the necessary corrections? Sam Spade 09:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Please don't make those "corrections". The material above is not supported by the source listed. This page, Black Gang Information gives a detailed history of the Crips, which does not mention the "folk" gang. However, this website is apparently Chicago-oriented, while the Crips are an L.A.-based gang. The site also mentions several alternate etymologies for the name. The alliances between various street gangs in prison does not equate to alliances out of prison. -Willmcw 21:48, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

The Original Crips was not part of the folk nation. There are no Crips in Chicago. The Crips in LA are not affliated with the Folk nation. Only Crips in other citys do that but they are not real Crips. So the article should not contain Folk nation in it. But after all Crips is the most popular gang in America .There is also to be crips in Illinois,such as Oak Park, Forest Park and in Oak brook. They all maybe Insane crips.

The Crips and Folks, in the beginning, fought side-by-side with the Bkloods, until Hoover, David, and John let a petty argument get out of hand. The Crips didn't adopt anything. The Crips and Folks have always fought side-by-side, only fighting by a Bklood's side, under special circumstances, before the two sides turned on each other. Any Crip or Folk that fights by a Bklood's side, outside of special circumstances, is a $7o6. Nothing more, nothing less. -Reaper Of Souls Angel Crips reaper29622@yahoo.com


 * We really should add the "Folk Nation" part. Even though the crips are L.A based, the whole "Folk Nation" thing came along in Chicago, and the crips picked it up.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/gangs/index.html There are about 21 pages on gangs and their sets. Page 13 discribes L.A based gang's, such as the blood and crips, and stating that Bloods traditionally align themselves with the People Nation and Crips with the Folk Nation. I really like the website, has a lot of info on different gangs and such. -Maliki786 15:30,  27 December 2005  (UTC)

CRIP the word stands 4  nothing please read the memoir of the co-founder Stanley Tookie Williams, you will also find that the color blue is worn in memory of Tookie best friend Buddha (R.I.P.).I have read and own meny books on the subject of Crips,such as Monster ,Do or Die , Blue Rage Black Redemption , and all of Tookies childrens books. For good history read blue rage black redemption by Stanley Williams.

Crip Walk?
Is Crip Walk related to this, or do they just happen to share a name? --SPUI (talk) 23:39, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * yes, the crips originated the dance, i added more history to the crip walk article Justinhoude 21:35, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * And for the record, though I can't attest to it, a great deal of people (to include Crips themselves) will openly and vehemently argue against the describing of the C-Walk as a "dance." It's a walk, as the name suggests, and represents a more fluent and commonn, everday thing than a simple dance. Has anyone heard any different? Now I'm going to have to go look at the page to see... --Addama 20:52, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Whatever. We've watched the videos, it's a dance.

The Crip walk is NOT a dance, but a celebration that a Crip performs when he kills a rival.

It's a dance, regardless. It just has more significance than most modern dances, which tend to be basically frivolous. In anthropological terms the C-walk is comparable to tribal war-dances such as practiced by Maoris and native Americans.

The Crip Walk is no more a dance, than standing in your garage, makes you a car. The Crip Walk isn't just about celebrating the killing of a rival. It's also more of a statement for what makes you who or what you are. It's a way of saying who you are, what you are, and what you're willing to do, when given the chance to do so. It's also a way of acknowledging the other Crips & Folks in the world, and showing them the respect that they deserve, for standing up for what they believe in, and being willing to do whatever is necessary to get the job done right the first time. The Crip Walk is a way of life that represents you as a person. Person being a Crip or Folk. The Crip Walk has different ways of being performed, while staying true to a common theme. The differences are a direct reflection of the individual involved. Whether they do the Walk itself, or Stack while doing the Walk, it's still a direct reflection of the individual doing so. Making assumptions about things you know nothing about, doesn't make you appear smarter. It makes you appear to be an idiot. Be true to who you are, not something you're not. Esto Quod Esse Videras: Be who you seem to be -Reaper Of Souls Angel Crips reaper29622@yahoo.com

The crip walk is in no way shape or form a dance of any sort. When you see it in music videos it is meant to show love to all the true crips watching. There are various forms and meanings that go along wit the crip walk also. Crips will do it after an intitiation, after they put in work, as a signal during a job. A word to the unwise, DO NOT CRIP WALK IN PUBLIC. If you do the crip walk in public you stand a good chance of being taken out the game by a bklood member. Playbkoy G

A very good chance. Take this information to heart. America, beware! 74.73.86.222 01:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Crips crip walk to insult rivals by spelling their set out. For example, if a crip see's bloods or any other rival territory gang in the vicinity say as across the street, he'll crip walk to spell his set out to insult him.

lol its just a funny dance

The Crip Walk is a dance in the basest sense, that one moves their feet and body in a specific way, usually to a beat in one's head. It is not a dance in a way that every dance is, in that you do it to music, and they have no real meaning, other than to look cool, except for, say, tribal dances. The Crip walk has a real meaning, and means more than, say, the "ReRun Dance". The Crip Walk has a deaper meaning, and isn't meant for any music or anything like that.

So if moving your feet is defined as a dance, then you walking down the street, is dancing, huh? You're moving your feet to a beat in your own head, whether you realize it or not. There are people that jog, or go for a run, while listening to music. They're not dancing. The Crip Walk has a meaning, despite what stupid people seem to believe. The Crip Walk is a way of saying that you're willing to stand up for what you believe in, and it can be used to test others to prove themselves as well. Why do people talk shit about things they know nothing about? -Reaper Of Souls Angel Crips reaper29622@yahoo.com

Celebs for Crips
I have noticed two well known people wearing the blue flag out their back trouser pocket.


 * Snoop Dogg - Not surprisingly, he made a mention to the Crips in "Drop it like it's hot"
 * Gwen Stefani - Very surprising. You can see her wearing it in her Holla Back girl video.
 * gwen stefani does not rep crips, that was just fashion. Justinhoude 21:34, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Assuming a color choice for an outfit by a celebrity is an endorsement of gang activity is a great mistake. Even Snoop Dogg wore red track suits once in a while. I would NOT have expected someone to bring Gwen up; that's one of those things that you can use common sense to dispel beforehand. Come on, it's Gwen! --Addama 20:52, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * that is why Tha Game in his last video is dressed with blue (even crips-like signs), though he is a blood ---
 * I think I once saw Elvis wipe sweat off his face with a blue bandana...I'm thinkin' he was repin! :)  SkaTroma 22:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Im a Crip...King David, 8-Ball, C-51 and i wear red T's sumtimes. It aint bkout what u wear Cuz i alwayz 6ot my fla6 out. You'll neva see me roCCin a red bandana thou6h...:::

If one watches the movie "Menace II Society," one should realize that most if not all of the main charecters are wearing the color blue or other Crips style clothing throughout the film. This is because the directors were originally going to make Caine and O-dog members of a Crips gang but changed there minds because they wanted people in ghettos throughout the country to relate to the film, not just members of the Crips gang.

Colors don't mean shit nemore. Wearin colors is a sure fire way ta let tha cops know what u rep. Most ppl now use tattoos and hats yeah some ppl still wear flags n certain colors but it's jus gon get u locced up earlir. tattoos are tha main way ppl tell each other apart.

"Set Beef"
The fact about the gang color is mentioned far too often.

There is no 21st crip gang in Long beach. Daz is from Rolling 20's Crips in Long Beach. The only real gang banger that is from the nsane Crips is OG Tray Dee a.k.a "Tracy D." A real gang member is a gangster that actually attended gang meetings and is respected by the members of his his own gang. In due time I will explain more.

Corections about Insane, 21st and rolling 20's being the same gang. I want to make this clear- Insane and Rolling 20's are different gangs and hate each other. We have been killing each other for years and it's never going to change. Its been like that for 35-40 years now. 21st is only a street that the majority of our OG's grew up around and snoop made it famous. Both insane and 20's hung out on this street and that's how we became enemies. EA

Is there a 21st Street Mafia Crip gang??

Whoever edited the page last...
...please be careful of grammar and fact-checking. You changed my page and wrote that Daz Dillinger is from Insane Crip, when he's actually from 21st Street. If you're going to make changes, don't do so without discussing them with me.


 * Regardless of the accuracy of this change - the page isn't "yours". See Ownership of articles.


 * On another topic, this page doesn't have anything to say about the actual activities of the Crips; as I understand it drug dealing is a major one. The way this article reads you'd think they're a service club.  --Robert Merkel 02:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I realize this page may not be "mine" now that I have posted the info, but I do wish people would be kind enough to respect my authority on the subject. The page was recently changed again by somebody who changed Spider Loc's Crip affiliation (I have confirmed info that he's from East Coast Crip), and they also incorrectly posted that Xzibit, Kurupt, and Ice Cube are from sets they're not really from (I even mentioned in my info that Cube is only from Rollin' 60 territory, not a member of the gang).


 * Well Dude, we have no idea who you are -- you don't even sign your comments. Regardless, this is a wiki, and everyone's an expert. :)  The best way to publish your thoughts and not have anyone interfere with them is to create your own web page.


 * And if you're upset about people changing information that you've "verified", then providing citations for your sources would probably help. --Dystopos 00:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC).


 * I'm cracking up at, "You changed my page..." Funny as hell! 64.241.230.3 17:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Origin of name
This is the only method of contacting the site runners without clicking on 300 links, but I think I have some information that you might be interested in involving the origin of the gang name C.R.I.P. or the crips. Crip stands for Community.Revolution.In.Progress. The CRIPS were started as a result of police targeting african men after the weapons ban. This resulted in the CRIPS banning together and traveling from place to place in large numbers to scare off the cops that would often beat and arrest african americans due to the color of there skin.

Thanks for reading, Dirthac820@yahoo.com


 * I can't imagine that the creators of wikipedia are in the least bit interested in the vaguarities of a single article.


 * Any chance of a verifiable source for this info? Cheers, -Willmcw 05:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * No, 'cause it's not even remotely true. Tookie Williams has made it pretty clear that he started the gang as a response to the random violence at his HS (Washington), and that they got the name because they walked with canes (tookie had broken his leg early in his "career" as a crip Reggaedelgado 17:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * This couldn't be more wrong. I double dog dare you to provide any proof that this, or any of the other "Backronyms" for CRIP have any place in the creation of the name.  -Dudepal 10:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Crips were originally called Cribs.. Community revolution in black society.. it later became Crips.

jeeze I always thought it was "crypts"...i've apparently been miseducated...

Unfortunately, everyone above me is wrong. In the book "Blue Rage, Black Redemption," written by Stanley Williams, co-founder of the original Crips gang, Williams asserts that the name Crips is not an acronym. Nor does the name exist because any of the original members were crippled or walked with canes. The original name of the gang was Cribs but it changed to Crips simply because of member mispronunciation.


 * Do or Die by Leon Bing says different, as i have written above.Gilgamesh Rex 19:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

i own both books blue rage, and do or die. who would better know facts some lady leon bing or Stanley Williams. Williams co-founded the Crips.he refused to do an interview with Leon Bing do to fear of being misquoted.if you read 3(blue rage, monster , do or die) books you will find that the best fact based story comes from Mr. Williams. so please do some research on your history or ask a real G !!! XLOC EAST SIDE E.T.G.C.

CRIPS stands for Community Revolutionary Inner-Party Service.

hip hop & affiliation
I'm not sure we need so much listing & conjecture as to the affiliations of individual rappers (especially relatively unknown ones). It does not provide any useful information...the affiliation of others (especially their specific sets) is not useful, accurate, or very fair to the people listed. It also cheapens the article a bit and may be the cause of some people's complaints that the article glorifies gangs. If you disagree, please say so other wise I'll make changes within a week or so. Reggaedelgado 17:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * My complaint about the article glorifying gangs is not only with the rappers: it doesn't mention what the gang's main activities are. Or are you trying to tell me that gangs aren't primarily about dealing drugs and inflicting violence?  --Robert Merkel 07:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I told you the same thing in the Bloods article - I think it's quite relevent. Notice that many Wikipedia pages connect their subjects to pop culture in some way or another, and that's what I'm doing by listing rappers with Crip affiliations.  If people are curious to know what set a rapper claims, then I see no reason why not - and it's not as if these rappers don't make their gang connections quite well known.  On the other hand, there are some rappers who don't bang for any turf but lie about what 'hood they claim, which is why I made a note of this in the above section (for example, I pointed out that Ice Cube is not a Crip, even though he has claimed to be at times).  I've also seen people posting misinformation (saying Fabolous is a Crip - LOL), and I've been correcting that.  I assure you that almost all of the rappers whose names I've posted are those who are known Crip members, and if I see someone post misinformation, I will delete it (I watch this page regularly).  Also, I could care less if some people think this article "glorifies" gangs - you can handle the info or you can't, but don't try to prevent it from being spoken to those who DO care.


 * you can see my response on the blood page (I'm sure you already have!)


 * BTW, somebody from Australia keeps posting the names of rappers I've never heard of ("C-Pup"?) and claiming they're Crips. This is laughable to me, because it sounds like certain fans of these Australian rappers are just trying to validate their image.  I don't consider anybody who isn't C/B banging in Cali to be anything but a copycat/wanna-be, so I've excluded these people.  Also, I'm still trying to confirm some of the other rappers on the list, many of whom were added without my input.  I haven't been able to figure out if Guerilla Black is really from Palmer Blocc (and it seems unlikely to me, given that he moved to Compton fairly late in his life).


 * So, somebody just deleted all the list... Like I said, it needs some tweaking & paring, but I don't think it should be striaght up deleted, especially anonymously & without attention paid to our discussion here!Reggaedelgado 08:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * After asking around, I have yet to find any proof that Guerilla Black is actually from Palmer Blocc. I'm also not too sure about Bad Azz, and I've also heard that MC Ren was not KPCC, either (though Eazy and his brother were). Which is why you've always gotta be careful; rumors run deep in this game.

I aint gonna talk like I know for sure but I do know that Bad Azz has claimed on prior songs that he is from Long Beach Insane... if you can validate this than cool otherwise it's just a good place to start...

Actually, Bad Azz was Originally from Water Front Piru in Wilmington Ca. That is aprrox 15mins from Long Beach. He moved to Long Beach when he was a teen and attended Woodrow Wilson High School With his sister. Somehow it was leaked out that he was a Piru and the homies Pay-Dog and and Baby Trey Fingers From ICG (Insane Crip Gang) approached him and of coarse he denied it, saying he did not bang anymore. I think the beat him up real bad but that was 13years ago and I am getting old. Eventually he came back to school and he turned out to be a cool brother and he was never from Insane or 20's. He hung around some of both and eventually started to just represent long beach through his music. While I am on that subject rapper Swoop G originally was from Lantanna Bloc Crips in Compton and also moved to Long Beach when he was a teen. He kept it real and admitted he was from lantanna Bloc but was quickly converted to a Rolling 20 crip by his OG cousin Lil Swoop(Keo), is currently on California's Death Row. The only rappers that are from Insane crip is Tray Deee aka Tracy Dee from the the group "Tha eastsidaz." He was the first and only rapper from Insane to record a album. His is the oldest of all the other rappers and gets big respect because of his "G" status. During the Insane and rolling 20 truce Snoop formed the group the "East Sidaz" which consisted of Goldie Loc who is from 20's, and Tray Dee who is from Insane. Tray Dee was later removed from the group when he shot up Snoop's house over money he was owed. That is what the song Smiles and Frowns" is talking about. All the other rappers are from rolling 20's: Snoop, Lil Half Dead (ironically his brother big Half dead-RIP was from Insane and was killed by an insane on Elm steet, Daz, Warren G,all the members of the "Dove Shack", the TwinZ and even Domino had some affliations. Lil C-style is From 19st and there is only a hand full of them- they are no fator in the hood. I don't know where Kurrpt is from but he is not from Long Beach. If yall have any other questions please let me know. EA

I just know about the Lon


 * OK, who posted that entire list of rappers with Crip affiliations? Looking over it, I see a lot that aren't accurate at all, and it's excessive and unnecesary.  I would prefer we keep this list fairly short and only mention the best-known rappers (like Snoop, Eazy, WC, etc.) rather than all these little-known rappers that few cats outside of L.A. know. - Bad Idea keep it long

-- A catch-all solution might be to only keep the rappers that have their own pages on wikipedia.


 * Nah, actually, Bad was never from Wilmington. He was originally from Hawaiian, a commune of Long Beach (at the time). He moved to the actual city sometime in the late-mid 80's between '85 to 86, when he was around 11-12. He actually said this on an interview with dubcnn. As for him bein' a crip, many people I know say he's Insane, either that or 21st. And he did say in one of his songs he was definitely crip. This plus the fact he wears a mass amount of black (especially), brown, and blue got to mean he's crip. Plus him and Lil' C said they was from rival sets, and Lil' C's from 19th street for sure.

1971 founding / cribs->crips mutation
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/25/AR2005112500950_2.html

says the founding was in 1971, and gives a simple reason for the change from Cribs to Crips: alcohol-induced dyslexia.

-From what I've read elsewhere, Raymond Washington is the originator of the Crips, founded in 1969. -Zelle II- 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The article does not make this clear, but I assume that the drunken mis-spelling is related to gang graffiti? I can imagine a big splashy "CRIPS!" spray painted on a prominent wall, with the painter failing to close the lower loop that turns a P into a B.


 * And so the Washington Post is the top authority on where the name came from? Someone cut out a bunch of the different possible explanations for the origin of the name, and I think that those deletions should be restored and tweaked a bit. Blank Verse 21:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

It seems odd to me that we have a clear explanation for the name in the history section, but then list other possibly origins. If the answer isn't clear, shouldn't that be stated in the history (and I can't back this up, but from my own reading I would think that the "cripple"="crips" story is the most prominent. I'm fairly centain that Leon Bing uses that explanation).

And, overall, this article could use a lot more verified sources. Where do we get the information, for example, that Vanilla Ice is a Crip? (a quick Google search didn't show anything to me). How do we know why the Crips stopped wearing so much blue? I have a hard time with thinking that a gang as disorganized, decentralized and splintered could even make a group decision. Couldn't it just be that fashions have changed?

Parts also feel POV: "Any analysis of the origins of the Crips and African-American Street Gangs in general requires an analysis of the deleterious effect of the demise of the Black Panther Party on Los Angeles neighborhoods."

There is a citation after that statement, but the above is still presented as fact. It isn't, it is an opinion: (a)That the death of the Black Panthers was "deleterious" and (b.) that this is the only ("required") method of analying the gang's creation.

I'm not changing anything at the moment, because I'm not prepared to. But this article feels extremely shaky, and some of the anon comments lead me to believe that someone considers themselves an expert and are using themselves as a source. Thoughts? Jordoh 03:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Vanilla Ice ??? A C.R.I.P. ?!? That's funny !!! I'm the One from the Gun. I am no expert, who can be? Things constantly change and evolve in the streets... but what better source for this site than someone who has actually been there from almost day one.(1974) Naw, I dont have every hoods' secrets... but I do know my hood and I know the overall history from the point of view of the SGuNs. But bottom line aint none of us getting paid off this site, it's just a cool outlet for the representation of our lifestyles in the logs of history. And for the prior comment on Blue... The only reason the colors is less prominant is because we all know that the police is hot on that sh**! Bangers have working brain cells too.

Crips is NOT a GANG! It is a TYPE of GANG! Saying you are a CRIP is not enough... You have to actually belong to a set, usually the one you live in. Gunone 19:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)GunOne Gunone 19:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

"BTW, somebody from Australia keeps posting the names of rappers I've never heard of ("C-Pup"?) and claiming they're Crips. This is laughable to me, because it sounds like certain fans of these Australian rappers are just trying to validate their image. I don't consider anybody who isn't C/B banging in Cali to be anything but a copycat/wanna-be, so I've excluded these people. Also, I'm still trying to confirm some of the other rappers on the list, many of whom were added without my input. I haven't been able to figure out if Guerilla Black is really from Palmer Blocc (and it seems unlikely to me, given that he moved to Compton fairly late in his life). "
 * Yo, yo, yo, yo, lemme speak on this. Being a part of a street gang doesn't make you any more "valid" than if you were a part of the Cherry Hill Gang. A gang is a gang is a gang. If I heard 50 Cent was a part of the Bloods or Crips, it wouldn't change what I think about him (in case you were wondering, I think he's overrated and talks too much shit about everyboy else - look in a mirror). 64.241.230.3 17:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Crips
Recently someone added a large number of names to the list of crips, first of all, I think it's important that this article not become Listcruft. These additions were also not referenced. It worries me, especially if some of these people are still living, that this could be seen as defamatory or libelous. Could someone add references? Unless there is some response I will remove those added today. Makemi 02:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

-- Might be an idea to just remove any that don't have their own wikipedia page. If they are so obscure that they don't, then there's little point having their name here.

I'm no big hip-hop fan but I'm almost definitly sure Snoop Dogg has crip affiliations, he dresses in blue alot of times, does the crip walk, tells non-crips to not do the crip walk among other things

For spider loc it says so in his page and Tray Deee's page says that he was an "og" and was charged with attempted murder by shooting at rival gang members on WC's page it says he does the crip walk and. Aside from that their isnt much evidence for the other ones (aside from being "gangsta rappers") 70.36.241.144 17:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * What's so ridiculous is that many of the ones posted have no confirmed gang ties whatsoever, yet some idiot keeps reposting them. It says in the section on the C-Walk that Ice Cube is NOT a Crip, yet this fool keeps posting that he is.


 * Snoop IS a Crip, cuz if u watch "real soon" he's wearing # 20 on one side of his shirt {Snoop is a part of the rolling 20's}

I've tried to update/reference the list of entertainers affiliated with the Crips. While I'm really uncertain that there's any reason to have this list in the article, I've left any names that can be verfied in for the time being.
 * Coolio was taken off. Per his biography, he was never officially inducted.
 * B.G. Knocc Out was removed; can't find a single reliable reference for the artist period. I've prod'd his article as well.
 * CJ Mac was removed, can't find a reference to him being a Crip either.
 * Daz Dillinger, set changed per reference.
 * Dresta, ref found.
 * Eazy-E, ref found.
 * Goldie Loc removed. Very little in the way of ref found, none mention Crips, article prod'd.
 * Ice-T, book already referenced.
 * Jayo Felony, ref found.
 * Kokane removed, no ref to crips found.
 * Kurupt removed, no ref to crips found, article now being deleted as copyvio of official website.
 * Lil Eazy-E removed, no ref found.
 * MC Eiht, ref added.
 * MC Ren removed, no ref found.
 * Nate Dogg, no ref found.
 * Snoop Dogg, our article says so, unable to find verification in any of the references but will keep looking.
 * Tone Loc, ref found.
 * Tray Deee, no ref found, article prod'd.
 * Tweedy Bird Loc, no ref found.
 * Warren G, Snoop article claims he is, not able to find source offhand, will keep looking.
 * WC removed, no ref found.
 * Young Jeezy is crips check the fbi investigation on him

.:.Jareth.:. babelfish 00:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice work, Jareth! This needed to be done for a while, hopefully people will remain true to it. Originally, I also felt like it was useless and took away from the main article, but I was convinced (above) that if we keep it real short it can add to the article—the problem is that lots of people like to visit this page and add unknown rappers or people who were not even close to crips. Again, nice work!Reggaedelgado 02:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

You guys gotta start watching the underground videos, everything isin't written in black and white but most of those guys are crips, and if not definitely heavily affiliated. I gotta say though, lotta good knowledge on here, some of it i didn't even know. That sad part is that set knowledge, no matter how hard you try to keep it right, changes from city to city.

yes very good work, but kurupt is a crip, imma find a reference

In Whats My Name (off snoops first album) he says "Robbin motherfuckers then I kill dem blood claats" HE has also been referred to as being a crip by several other rappers for what that is worth

WC or Dub C IS a Crip... Daz is Crip Too...Tray Deee is from Insane Crips...He's now in jail for attempted Murder...Kurupt is crip too...

Honestly I believe your not going to find too many references on the above people, most of these are trying to be "low key" (on the down low)...Snoop Dogg is a crip yes everyone knows this, he'll tell you in a minute but as for the rest of them, listen to their names, Spider Loc, Eazy, pay attention to the spelling, listen to their songs. Most of this guys are crips but your not going to find a reference for all of them and that real.

Both B.G. Knocc Out & Dresta are Nutty Blocc Compton Crips

''' BIGGIE AINT GANG RELATED... If some one is wearing blue it doesent mean he is a crip... you wear blue OK you are crip thats dumb... biggie aint gang related he has said that himself many times... --84.250.27.36 12:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC) '''

What happened to the Grape St Crips bandana pic?
What happened to the purple Grape St bandana image? I think it was worth having, as the Grape Street Watts Crips are pretty infamous, certainly one of the most well-known sets, and having the purple bandana image is no different to the green Lime Street Piru bandana over on the Bloods page. I'm not really moaning about it, just wondering why it was taken down. Doctor Atomic 02:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

BG the rapper from New Orleans is not any crip, blood or vice lord, get it right, NOBODY from New Orleans is a a gang member because we don't have gangs on colors, its all about wards/projects/neighborhoods, uptown/downtown, shit is about self and who you runnin with, aint none of that shit in NO because we run there ass out or get killed..A solja rag and different colors represent different wards and projects..

G Crips
Don't leave out tha G Crips. You gotta mention these guys. They are described as the following:

G-Crips is the slang term for gentleman crips. This group like the crips are a gang, but unlike the crips the G-Crips consist of upper class English and Welsh aristocrats. The traditional dress of the G-crips is a blue dress shitrt under a blue sport coat with blue or black trousers and a blue or black top hat.The G-crips also usually carry a cane. The traditional side arm of the G-crips is the Ruger kmk-512 aka the crip cannon which they get from the IRA. Mostly as a jest the G-crips refer to each others a negroes instead of calling themselves the infamous N-word Probally the most famous G-crip group is the Hanover Crips which are based in Hanover,England. There are also G-crip groups in London, Essex, Greenwhich, Edinburgh and St.Andrews.


 * We're always looking for new information to include in articles, but it must meet a few policies, most notably it is verifiable and its from another reference that we can cite. If you can list a source which has published the above information, it can be included.  Unfortunately, first-hand knowledge, or things without a third-party source aren't included in Wikipedia articles. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 02:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't really improve credibility when the description is taken from urbandictionary.com either. -J

In any case, the information is patently absurd. Hanover is not even in England. There are no gangs of any description in St.Andrews. And as for getting guns from the IRA, well what can I say????

The Great divide
why yall deleted that part? its true —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rdbsmoove (talk • contribs) 22:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This article has major verifiability problems. Please WP:CITE sources for any additions or changes you make.  75.0.168.226 22:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

what do u mean? WHO DOESN'T KNOW OR BELIEVE THAT PIRUS USED TO BE CRIPS? OR THAT THEY HAD BEEFED WIT THE WEST SIDE CRIPS, AND EVENUALLY BECME THE BLOODS?

I MEAN, EVEN IN THE STUFF THAT PROBALLY WASN'T TRUE LIKE THE PURPLE CITY BYRD GANG SHIT, I ONLY SAID THAT IT WAS A RUMOR, NOT THE TRUTH, GO TO THE HOOD AND LISTEN FOR ONCE.

and a put a source on my new editing part

Where's "Tookie?"
I think you should add in Stanley William's middle name(Tookie). He deserves his recognition. Even if he is deader than hell right now. He may have been a criminal, but he only did it to survive. After all, most people only know him as Tookie, from his movie.

Movements

please respect the dead! Mr. Williams was nobel nomine 7 times and won the award for "a season for non violence" award and meny others. i do aggree about the middle name but he was also the 3rd (Stanley Tookie Williams III).

Crips in Illinois
There are many Crip gangs across the U.S, known to be in just about every state, but they say that the Crips are expanding quikly around the U.S and outnumber The Bloods and any other rival gangs. Crips are mainly starting to become big in Illinois subarbs such ass Lawndale and Oak Park,Ill In Lawndale there mainly spotted to be on cannon ave(called Cannon Crips)and in Oak Park there starting to be on Madison ST.The east side of Oak Park,ILL. And in Oak Park,ILL the crips allies are the 4corner hustlers. Oak Park and Lawndale were once Peacefull neiberhoods,are now turning into gang neiberhoods. The Insane Crips in Illinois, colors are known to be Blue-white,gold. But for now there mainly in lawndale, there estimated to be about 85crips apart of the Cannon Crips crew they are known to have already have made crimes,possesion of drugs,graffiti and to have possesion of dangerous weapons and the Cannon Crips are known to have as much as 12 blocks in there pessesion.In Oak Park they say they are just starting there movements around the East Oak Park Madison st. area.In Lawndale the Cannon crips was known to be started im 2004 but in about May, 2006 Blacks start hanging around the very few crips that they were in Lawndale, and they had joined the gang. They say that you have to put in work to be a crip, such as sell drugs or battle a rival gang members. In Oak Park,ILL Crips has just started the movement this year(2006) and is exspanding quickly around East Oak Park,Ill.In Oak Park,Ill The crips are known to have 6 blocks in there territory.
 * Do they own it? You know, going to a realtor, paying a down-payment and closing costs. Probably not. It's not theirs. A movement? Whatever. Take the pillow from your head and put a book in it! - KRS-ONE  Don MEGA  60645 15:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Some say that possession is 9/10 of the law. No realtor in the world will touch somewhere that has heavy gang activity. Doesn't matter what some random pieces of paper or computer records say if someone else has effective control of a place.
 * Let's say a gang has "control" over a certain block that's owned LEGALLY by "Mr. Greenberg." Let's say Mr. Greenberg decided to sell his property to a condo developer. Are you going to tell me that the gangs are going to override the agreement between Mr. Greenberg and the developer? I don't think so. They're gonna get bulldozed right out.  Don MEGĂ 60645  Talk | Contribs  16:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, more than likely they would just start hanging out there again once the new place was built.--68.230.70.235 02:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

More information required
''To stem violence between the Crips and Bloods, a peace treaty was recently negotiated, most notably in Watts, the treaty being largely based upon the ideals laid forth by original Crip co-founder Stanley Tookie Williams in his "Tookie Protocol For Peace". ''

By whom? When? What is your source?

Rintrah 09:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

yea they got sum bKlue red shit Called pKurpKle 4 pKeaCe in slobKs N C^ripKz]

if ya want more info bKout C^ripKz then ask me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OG loc (talk • contribs).


 * HUH? Did you know that there are a bunch of "k"s in your message? What's that about? You got a sixth finger that keeps hitting that "k"? Oh, and it's "some", not sum. While I'm asking, you keep putting capital "c"s in the message. Why? 64.241.230.3 14:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe he's typing on a Dance Dance Revolution pad and has to cross out the "B" for "Bloods" everytime? No idea about the "P", though, unless that's considered an "inverted" "B" or something. Also would explain why he keeps on capitalising the "C" (for "Crips").
 * Either way it's a nightmare to read and seems too childish to be some kind of serious honour code. See below for my rant about wiki'ing "gangstas". &mdash; Ashmodai (talk &middot; contribs) 22:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Isn't that written in l33t? He attests that he is a gansta. However, if both statements are true, nerds are getting more dangerous. Multiplayer Counterstrike games (and whatever else they play) might turn lethal, with players resolving disputes by drive-by's. Upsetting a nerd is dangerous if he is also a Crip or a Blood. He might kill you, or blast you on the internet. Rintrah 21:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

it3 i pKut tha Ks C^uzz is BK bKlood killa  N  PK  pKiru killa, well idC wat ya think bKout it bKut if ya 2 make a pKerfeCt C^ripK artiCle ya gonna need tha name of tha bKiggest sets, N a list of rappKers 2, like eazy was KPCC  snoopK was rollin 20s etc N if ya think ima online gangsta idC C^uzz im a soldier in SSLC, so w/e, if ya wanna noe more shit bKout C^ripKz juss ask, bKut im not gonna answer knowledge, knowledge is a set of questions u need 2 noe if u real C^ripK, sum of tha Qs r wats in ur Closet? wats unda ur bKed?

N i Cant tell ya tha answers so ya need 2 talk bKout knowledge

C40 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OG loc (talk • contribs).


 * Okay. So you try to appreciate the criminal organisation you claim allegiance to by suffixing certain letters with a "K" in order to show your disapproval of the organisations with the same initials and capitalising or emphasising every occurance of the letter "C" to point out how great you think your organisation of choice is.
 * I'm in no position to question that practice beyond what it does to your legibility, but I would like to ask you to at least try to adhere to English grammar and spelling in general. Dialogue involves more than one person and you will only be able to get your message across if you can put it in a way the other person understands -- and on English Wikipedia the general consensus is one of the standards of the English language (US American, Oxford, etc).
 * Also, I am not particularily interested in the specifics of any criminal organisation whatsoever, especially not any of the various American gangs that are widely unknown outside bad Hollywood movies, Rap music or the part of the US they operate in. Sorry to disappoint you. &mdash; Ashmodai (talk &middot; contribs) 02:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I get it - he's really saying:
 * ''Alright, I put the Ks because BK is Blood Killer and PK is Piru Killer. Well, I'd see what you think about it, but if you make a perfect Crip article, you're going to need the name of the biggest sets and a list of rappers too, like Eazy (I'm thinking Eazy-E) was KPCC (huh?)Snoop was Rollin 20s (I saw the article), etc.


 * ''And if you think I'm an online gangster I'd see because I'm a soldier in SSLC (huh?), so w/e (huh??) if you want to know more [stuff] about Crips, just ask, but I'n not gonna answer knowledge. Knowledge is a set of questions you need to know if you're a real Crip. Some of the questions are whats in your closet? What's under your bed?
 * No, I can't tell you the answers, so you need to talk about knowledge.
 * I'm with Ashmodai. I don't know what you do when you're not on the computer, but when you are on and you type like that - it looks unintelligent. I don't want to be accused of attacking another user (and I see you are a user) of wikipedia, but if you have enough intelligence to go whereever you are and type out all that [stuff] (do you get used to typing bk every single time, and, btw - from your explanation, you probably should've spelled rapper, rapkpker - lemme stop lol), you should have enough intelligence to realize you're on a road to either death or jail, if you haven't been locked up already. There's nothing else I want to know about a gang or organized crime, except for when they disband or start doing something positive in the hood.  Don MEGĂ | 60645  15:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

well w/e i was juss tryin 2 helpK wit this artiCle

C40 loC


 * The problem is it's hard to figure out what you're saying with the "C"s and "K"s in your messages. And misspelling small words. I don't know you at all, but seeing stuff like that is just irritating - to me anyway. I get it that you're "repping your set". Can't you do that without all that pK and other stuff? Probably not, but I figured I'd ask. I'm not trying to attack you - just trying to help.  Don MEGĂ | 60645  12:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

it3 iz all good loC

C40

Cuz u crazii but I feel u...I'm actually having fun reading all this stuff that people have about the Crips when in reality, they really dont kno nothing about it. I am a 18 year old female,african american that is a known gangmember from Watts born and raised, highschool graduate, and in college curently, graduated in the top 10% of my class, been shot, and had a beautiful daughter, been to jail and everything Eastlake and Y.A for a year...bacc and forth, still an active gangmember till this day and I just proved yall whole theroy wrong...the sterotype you people have on what a gangmember is suposed to be is all wrong. I've been gang banging since the age of 9 and I won't stop but I have my head on straight. With the guy above me with all the C and K and all that...it is only dialouge as you said, he just shows his appreciation of the Crips Gang, as do I, yet I believe that you are wrong in stating that it shows lack of intelligence, cuz I can say that using the million dollar words you do shows that you snobby and "no-at-all" and I beg you do not try to take the offense to what I have said i am jsut trying to prove a point.

add link to polish article please
add Crips please Is there any significance to the date April 3rd? It comes up in several references including a lyric in the song "Steady Dippin'". Just curious...

lower-income bracket?
i'd suggest "poor people"

WC
even though you cannot find a reference to WC as being a crip in songs by other rappers they all say that he is from 111 N hood crip
 * ...And this is important because...64.241.230.3 13:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

are you an idiot he was explaining how WC is a crip which in the above articles was said not to be one b/c of ref problems

Lloyd banks
Lloyd banks never said he was a crip or anything. He has said it him self that blue is his favourite colour and that is why he wears it not because he is trying to be a crip to increase incredibility


 * Good. 64.241.230.3 13:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Exactly Just because someone rocks yellow for example juelz santana doesnt mean hes affiliated to the latin kings and also the touch it video has a theme of colours (Busta himself is wearing red in the bit with him and the Flipmode squad that doesnt mean theyre bloods.) Mary J. Blige's wearing white,X's rocking black and Papoose wears green doesnt mean hes affiliated to the Grape St. Crips! I think that piece of the article deserves deletion! Actually on a G-unit radio mixtape Banks states "I'm from a blok where they sell crakk and Cripped up" take it how you want it. Also Young Bucc& Spider Loc is Crip so it's not that hard to see him being Crip, Game always calls them G-unot or G-unit Crips so it's some truth to his affiliation.

Gangsta fanboism
I would like to remind some of the editors that this is an article about a criminal group of thugs, thieves and murderers, not some kind of pop band or chivalrous order.

I understand that MTV may have added to the popularity of "ghetto" stereotypes, but apart from their notability there's nothing about this group of people that makes them particularily special, let alone worthy of fanboism.

As for the discussion about Crip Walking: it's a dance. You don't call it a dance because you don't like the ring of it, but it's got about as much to do with "walking" as eurythmy and can only be described as a "dancing walk" at best.

Also, a rule of thumb: if you can afford Internet access and know how to edit Wikipedia, chances are good you're not a ghetto kid, so don't pretend to be one. There's nothing particularily cool about being one in the first place, so why bother pretending? These kids have it difficult enough without someone attempting to imitate them, shrink-wrap it and sell it to those better off so those can pretend to be "in touch" with "the street".

The only thing catchy about a "gangsta" life is that it's usually high on sex and drugs and ends way before any of the after-effects have a chance of kicking in (that is to say, you probably don't make it past your teens or twens). If it's sex and drugs you want, you can get those anytime you want already -- and if not, how likely is it you'd be capable of archieving any kind of position as a "gangsta" where you could if you already can't make it in a civilised setting? If it's early death you want, there's easier ways to accomplish that than to do the dirty work for a bunch of thugs.

Sorry for rambling. &mdash; Ashmodai (talk &middot; contribs) 22:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what he said.  Don MEGĂ | 60645  13:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

iz not a bkunch of thugs nicca is a fuccin family, damn loc ya dont noe wat ya talkin bkout--EZ 05:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Learn more about the language everyone else uses: Standard English. Grammar and spelling can be learnt with practice. Good luck! Rintrah 11:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

nicca y u gettin smart, idc wtf ya niccas speak, ya wrong crip is not a fuccin criminal group, is a family--EZ 22:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC) - is 'idc' just an altered version of 'idk' - as in 'i dont know'? just makes for easier reading to know what something says, thanks in advance Zero187 01:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

aight am sorry bout talkin like dat Rintrah, it juss gets me mad, dat ppl say dat crips is juss a bunch of thughs, cuz is not, again am sorry i juss hav this temper lol    --EZ 00:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Crips ARE thugs. The only problem is that people demonize thugs too much... Yes, Crips are people too, with feelings and friendships and lovers and loyalty and all the rest of it. But it's also undeniable that Crip sets deal addictive drugs and commit violent crimes, often against their fellow Crips. Don't get sucked in by all the 'BK 4 Life' and 'brothas in blue' glorification - it's only one aspect. Those days died in the 80's when crack flooded the ghettos. These days money talks louder than any of the old-style gang 'honor' that there ever was. Gotta take it all in together, the good and the bad.

yup them days r over, but im still proud of bing crip  C51 EZ 19:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Why? What's the point?  Don MEGĂ | 60645  18:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

what do u mean whats the point? im crip and proud--EZ 00:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It's all tribal, that's the point. Frequently people have loyalties to a group 'just because'. Patriotism is another example - my country, right or wrong; lots of people everywhere follow that credo. It's not a rational position that asks 'why', rather it's an emotive position that goes unquestioned. Not my cup of tea really. How does this relate to the topic? Well, streetgangs are neither 'just' groups of thugs or 'only' a family.

well it stated as a family, but now is just about the money--EZ 05:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Let's start this off by saying that i'm not hood at all, whatsoever. But, from what i have listened to and read gangsters say in their own words, the "ghetto star" lifestyle is the only real choice available in the inner-city. Ashmodai, i agree with you that the commoditization of the lifestyle is unfortunate, but i might suggest that perhaps questioning other users "legitimacy" due to their ability to access the internet and make a wikipedia account is not in good faith. just a thought. lets work on the article, rather than debating the rationality of the many choices we all make.Gilgamesh Rex 21:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

--Eastside Crip 22:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)== Fake information ==

Where does it say Kim Greene started the Crips? Valoem  talk  16:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

yeah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.11.77.199 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 10 October 2006

Well if I may say something, My boyfriend is part of a crip gang and has been for over 10 years. I have meet his friends who are also in the gang with him. I have watched them personally "crip walk" and throw up all the gang signs. They have tattoos of the 6 point stars and the pitch folk on them. I have read the literature and learned all the information myself that has come from lots of other crips. It's a hard life to be in a gang and its even harder get out of one. I have seen lots of things that i didnt want to see but shit happens. I love him with all my heart and if this is the life he chooses then im there for him. watching him hold his best friend in his lap that had been shot in the head is a life touching situation. He is only 28 and i am 26. we have a son together who is going to live on in his name god forbid something happen to him. for all of you who think that this kind of lige is a joke...it is not. I deal with it everyday.

I know what you mean. C-walkin, and watchin ur back, watchin ur boys die isn't shit someone wants to see. But for a G it's all u see, every day and u can only do so much ta stop it from happenin ta ur fam. I've got 4 kids, two girls and two boys. They've watched their uncles get shot in the front yard they know to get on the floor if there's shots. This shit isn't a game it's real shit. This shit isn't for anyone. man it's a fucced up life to be in. U can't get out, U can't even hang ur fuckin flag nemore. Bacc when it started it wuz all bout keeping the community u lived in safe NOT about drugs or money. It was watchin tha backs of your family and keepin shit from happenin. Down the line it got all bout drugs n money n fuckin girls. At least wit everyone else. It also got to be bout killing someone cause of a color, when it started it wuzn't like that it wuz boys hangin on corners makin sure that ppl in they hood was safe. Ya I'm a G who the fuck cares? I don't go rob stores n shit I don't need tha fuckin money or tha drugs. I kno the history I kno wut it wuz before it started and I kno wut it's become n I don't like it. It ain't no fuckin joke.

I'll agree with that on you cuzz, Crip has lost it's tru values in these last 20 years. It get's me more pissed knowing that there's Crip on Crip violence for some stupid shit. If it was possible, one day, I would like to see Crips (ALL OF THEM) working together for the tru first cause that we had. CEastside CripC

Boo-fuckin' hoo, losers. Do something constructive with your lives. And what does this have to do with anything on wikipedia? If you're going to bitch and moan like little kids, do it with your "homies". 74.73.86.222 02:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't feed the troll, ladies and gents. Doctor Atomic 22:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You used the T-Word! ZOOOMFG! Besides this, i am not wanting to believe that there is no choice for people to be or not to be in a gang. Who is talking about watching anybody elses back, where is the mo#$§$ing threat? Yes, a big part of this fear comes from itself and yes i am partly blaming gang members and people in ghettos themselve! i reject all the hate that is upraising and it makes me more than mad to see this senseless homocide and dealing. drugs take up a huge part and addiction makes people go "loco" but they have a choice! I just hate this talk about beeing a G and so on... getting into trouble by choice... think b4 u act (a fool)!

Wasting time in discussion
It seems to me that instead of improving the article, alot of time is being spent by editors trying to translate the unrequired [read: unreferenced] information being passed by alleged "Cripks" in the discussion. I suggest that someone should clean up the discussion via removing any ongoing conversations and backtalk from "gangsta's" about whether their lifestyle is valid or not, and try to stick to the facts of the article and how it can be improved. If noone gives me a good reason why I shouldn't do this within the next 5 days or so, i'm going to go ahead and clean up the discussion.--FrogKermit 04:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you are talking about archiving the discussion on this talk page, see How to archive a talk page on how to do it. Blank Verse 10:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

clean it up, im just saying, im a crip, if you want info ask me --EZ 22:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, EZ, sources need to be printed matter or reliable web archives, rather than personal experience or original research. no disrespect, but those are the rules. See WP:NOR


 * Gilgamesh Rex 21:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

why "clean up" the articles, actual discussion from actual crips who have been through what you guys are trying to investigate on doesn't make any since. Just like some people on here, a person may get the wrong information, either from a article that has false information a documentary, you try to get all your information from the source...a actual CRIP


 * It's not compatible with Wikipedia policies, like No original research and Verifiability. How do we know for sure who's an "actual CRIP", and who is just a poser? How do we know that a Crip isn't putting forwards a biased view, or an incorrect one? Doctor Atomic 05:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I guess you can say that about all references unless you talk and can verify and quote actual known gangmembers..but see how far your going to get with that...what these people are saying is for real, and you can tell a fake from the real...well you should..I've read some postings on here of people saying that they are experts in this subject...how are you an expert if your not living the life...


 * Doesn't change our situation - hearsay and unverified quotes aren't suitable for wikipedia articles. Without hard documented info to back them up, alleged quotes from real gang members are impossible to tell from invented ones made by posers and hoaxers. If you can find something genuine that's published on a decent website or in a book then it can work. Doctor Atomic 04:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Lit Stealing/fake crips
when the crabs spread out of LA and teamed up with wannabe GD's they stole the lit the fake GDs managed ta steal and made a 8ball fake alliance and now they claim 6's. just like the slobs stole the 5 from fakeass out of town vicelords. true shit and i aint got no links im a witness to this shit —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 7LonCkity9 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Crabs? GDs? Stole the lit? 8 Ball fake alliance? Claiming 6s and stealing 5s? What does any of this even mean? --S0uj1r0 16:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Since you probably just dont understand gang language then I'll break it down to you.

Crabs : Disrespect word used towards Crips

G.D.'s : Gangster Disciples/Growth & Development, A black street gang/organization from Chicago

"Stole The Lit" : Stealing gang literature or "Knowledge"

8-Ball Alliance : A alliance between the Gangster Disciples and the Crips that started in a meeting in Kansas City in 1993. The meeting was actually made to make the G.D.'s and Crips around America to become allies, and nothing else. But it caused alot of mix-ups, and some Crip sets took gang knowledge from G.D.'s, took the 6 Point Star (a G.D. symbol in which every point of the star has a meaning) and started giving honor to G.D. creators, such as King David Donise Barksdale (deceased) and King Larry Hoover (incarcerated). When all of this happened, King Larry Hoover called off or "broke" the 8-Ball in 1995, but due to the widespread affiliations of the G.D.'s and Crips in the U.S., many gangs did not hear that this happened, and there are still gangs that claim the 8-Ball. Some 8-Ball gangs also know that this happened, but choose to still claim it. This is not a problem in Los Angeles or Chicago, but in other sattelite cities such as New York, Atlanta, New Jersey etc. there is alot of confusion.

6's and 5's are just star symbols used by the Folk and People Nations of Chicago.

I'm a strait representa of da Rollin 60 N-H00D Crip. All my N-H60D Rollin 60 niggas stand da fuCC up cuzz!!!! Cuzz Luv R.I.P. Tookie


 * Can't go in without a hard source, 'fraid. For all we know you could be making it up off the top of your head - we've no way of telling the fake-ass wigger wannabes apart from the real deal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.76.125.230 (talk) 05:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

A "set"?
Pardon me, but what exactly is a set? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.98.243.249 (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

The People Nation and Folk Nation are not gangs - they are alliances under which gangs are aligned.

A simple comparison might be the National and American baseball leagues. The National League is not a team - it is the alliance under which teams like the LA Dodgers and Atlanta Braves are aligned. The American League is the alliance under which the Baltimore Orioles and New York Yankees are aligned taken from: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/gangs/


 * A set is a group within the overall gang alliance. It's the basic gang 'unit', so to speak. It's like clans within a larger tribe. Cliques are even smaller groups within a set, a collection of a few friends who typically hang out or work (gang-related 'work', that is) together. To take an example from the article, the Crips are the gang, the PJ Crips are a set of the Crips, and the GK Boyz are a clique within the PJ Crips. Gang > Set > Clique > individual gangsters. Doctor Atomic 05:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The way yall make this seem is like a game and you people are trying to analyze every part of this game....a set like stated above is a gang in question. What ever gang your trying to discuss well is also called a set. A set is your hood, your turf, your home. Simple as that, without that fancy wording and all that...plain and simple.


 * Fancy wording... in an encylopedia... oh, the shame, the shame... ;-) Actually, formal language and analysis are used because this site is for informing people, so it's helpful to explain things out, and to do it not using slang, because not everyone knows the basic elements of gang culture or all of its terms. What is plain and simple to one person may not make a lot of sense to another if they aren't familiar with it already. Saying "a set is your hood, your turf, your home" is oversimplifying things. Is Jordan Downs in Watts a set? No, but it fits all the criteria of the earlier definition. Is Bounty Hunter a home? No, but it is the name of a set. So it's not as clear cut as all that. Clarifications like that can be important for people who don't already have an understanding of the subject. Doctor Atomic 05:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

A SET is your hood, your turff, the streets your hood is located on. Not to put sets out there but Bounty Hunters you can say set starts on 114th St and (blah blah) to 112 and so and so...and like I said I believe that the best way to get the best understanding about a subject is to go to the actual source...the Jordan Downs is a set, there is a gang that claims territory to those streets so yes the Jordan Downs in Watts is a set...jsut like the Nic's, thats the set of the Bounty Hunters...


 * Bounty Hunters Bloods being a set in and of themselves. Insane Crips - another set. Both groups, not actual places. They may be closely associated with certain places, but that's not the same thing. Jordan Downs - a place in Watts, claimed by the Grape Street Crips, who are a set. Jordan Downs isn't a group, not a Crips set in that sense. The word isn't as clear cut as you've been making out. Doctor Atomic 04:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Oter entertainer
whoever wrote that section on entertainers who are crips forgot G Malone and maybe someone should mention Ice cube and Xzibit who were both afilliated with the crips.

People's Nation sets: (excluding Bloods) Latin Kings Vicelords Spanish Lords El Rukns Bishops Gaylords Latin Counts Kents

Folk Nation sets: (excluding Crips) Black Gangster Disciples Black Disciples Gangster Disciples Imperial Gangsters La Raza Spanish Cobras Latin Eagles Latin Disciples Maniac Latin Disciples Simon City Royals Spanish Gangster Disciples Two Sixers International Posse

False stories circulating
I'm adding this for future editors of this article. There are a group of people starting to spread an alternate history of the Crips. The history they have come up with is false and politically motivated.

They are spreading stories and writing histories that say that the Crips were a non-gang political offshoot of the Black Panthers. The second part of the story says that the FBI/Hoover had a secret program to remove the "good" Crip leaders and manipulate the organization to fight itself.

None of that is true. The people writing the false histories are basically finding people who nobody remembers, making them experts on everything that happened, and then putting words in their mouth which they write down as if it were the truth.

The Crips were never a political organization. Its always been a gang. 65.117.65.184 04:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Origin of name
I removed the section on the Origin of the Crip name, as it was unsourced and contradicted the sourced statements in the History section. ~MDD4696 18:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Cultural References
Does the Black Eyed Peas reference really need to be in here? Many people have denounced gang violence; to list off every reference condemning the crips for such actions would be ridiculous. It seems to promote the musical group for spouting off a straw man argument; after all, who would really stand up and say, "I support gang violence"?

I agree with whoever wrote thisJmm6f488 02:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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Crips,ferraz meaning of word
There is a mistake in the article I believe. In Tookies memoairs he states that crips was initially spelled "crib" and that it later evolved into the word crip because it was often misunderstood. And bloods believe that crips are called CRabz. He also states that it does not stand for "Community Revolution In Progress" as also mentioned in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.10.11 (talk) 21:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

According to a National Geographic program, the gang was originally called named the Cribs because they were so young and carried canes to look like Al Capone style gangsters. Walking with canes made people think they were crippled and so the name was changed crips. Not sure which is right but I think the statement in the article is missing a citation anyways. Also, I'm fairly sure "Community Revolution in Progress" is incorrect. Anyone with more information would be very helpful. Crushacm (talk) 21:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I've seen the "Community Revolution In Progress" meaning in a History Channel special on the Crips. If I could find it, I'd post a link, but sadly I cannot find it.173.67.57.52 (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Crip Whistle
Could something about the Crip Whistle, including its origin, be added to this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.14.100 (talk • contribs) 19 September 2007

Entertainers with Crip affiliations
Someone needs to provide reliable sources to the section on entertainers with Crip affiliations. Other than the Christian anti-gang website cited, I can't find anything linking Afroman to the Crips, except for one lyric from the song "Back 2 School" where he refers to himself as "the educated crip." Afroman is know for ironic and humorous lyrics, and I don't think this is enough to assume he's actually a Crip. Please read up on the Wikipedia guidelines on reliable sources. Toscaesque (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

-I agree, the references do need to be fixed, but there seems to be a trend of attempted whitewashing of the Entertainer's section, and I do not understand why. One does not completely remove a section because a couple of the sources might be strained. Instead, please remove entries which have broken or spurious sources.Out of Phase User (talk) 10:41, 26 March 2008 (EST)

What about snoop dogg? Rdrgz93 (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the main topic line, Regarding the start of the Crips.
Within the first paragraph there is a line that goes "Crips were not founded by 15-year-old Raymond Washington and Stanley Tookie Williams III . The Crips and Bloods are the children of political groups such as the Black Panthers, Slausons, and US Orginization." This is obviously a slur against the Crips and I recommend it for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.46.136.136 (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed this unsourced information. Tasc0 It's a zero! 18:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

My understanding of the changing from the name of "Cribs" to the name of "Crips" was not that they were walking with canes and appeared crippled; but that it is common practice not to use the letter "B" as it pertains to the blood gang. I beleive this should be included in the article. -30 August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpop7ole (talk • contribs) 06:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

allies n' rivals
if you knew any knowledge about Crip we started bkefore bkloods were created and the name was changed to Crips bkefore slobkz were created. hol' up, i'm confused. are the bloodz n' nortenos allies? crips n' surenos allies? bloodz n' crips rivals? nortenos n' surenos rivals?72.226.157.22 (talk) 02:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC) they pretty much shoot at each other anyway so these "alliences" are not really real

In jail the nortenos tend to side with the balck gangs and the surenos tend to side with the white gangs_________________________

Here is a reference to the ref request about how the pirus and bloods formed the aliance (don't know where/how to put it)

http://www.gripe4rkids.org/BLhis.html

thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.128.214.5 (talk) 18:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

My Understanding
I believe that the crip gang is very weak in having to fight it's own group members. It shouldn't matter where you are our what stand of the gang you are, it matters that you are all walking around with the same colour. Don't kill an allie if they believe what you believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.215.229 (talk) 05:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Most so called Crips put their hood before the Crip beliefs. That is why when you see gangs write out there hoods the set always comes first(i.e w/sRSC=west side rollin sixties crip) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.205.132.86 (talk) 09:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Money and greed can break even the strongest bonds- and when crack and drug traffiking became big business during the 1980's, that's what began the Crips on Crips warfare. It's like snake-eating snakes; they don't care if their next meal comes in the form of their own kind- they gotta eat. Same with The Crips. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.7.96 (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

The "8" Ball Alliance between the Crips and the Gangster Disciples (Folk Nation)
The 8 Ball Alliance started in the midwest after the 8 ball alliance that occurred in Kansas City, Missouri in 1993 during a gang peace summit. It started because the local Crip sets and Gangster Disciples were getting savagely attacked by the local Blood sets Vice Lords,and Black P Stones. The Bloods and Black P Stones in Kansas City would naturally team up against the other gangs because of their alliance they already had in Los Angeles. So the local Crip sets and Gangster Disciples decided to create a secondary alliance and unite under the 8 ball, which is what you get when you put the "C" hand sign and a "Pitch Fork" hand sign together. This alliance caused the Crips who participated in it to adopt the 6 point star with their own meaning and create their own literature to implement the 6 point star in. In light of the Crip and Gangster Disciple alliance, the local Blood sets and Almighty Black P Stones in Kansas City, Missouri took it upon themselves to form a secondary alliance also. The name for this alliance was called the Almghty Flame Alliance (AFA). This alliance caused the Bloods who participated in it to adopt the 5 point star with their own meaning and create their own literature to implement the 5 point star in. All Crips and Gangster Disciples under the 8 ball alliance were to add new teachings to their lit called "The Universal 8 Ball Doctrine". In addition to the The Universal 8 Ball Doctrine, Crips sets under the 8 Ball Alliance have created the "8 Ball Crip Bible". All Bloods and Black P Stones under the AFA alliance were to add "Red Flame Manifesto" to their lit. Although these secondary alliances were non-official local alliances that were not embraced in and held no weight in the motherlands of Chicago and Los Angeles, these alliances were still widely embraced by almost everyone else and quickly spread.

The 8 Ball Alliance and Almighty Flame Alliance was firmly established by the end of 1993 throughout the United States. Many (not all) Chicago and Los Angeles motherland natives have shown great animosity and hatred towards these new alliances due to the many changes in the structure and ways of the Bloods, Crips, Gangster Disciples, and Almighty Black P Stones that participate in these alliances have made from their origins. Eventhough the Gangster Disciples strictly represent to the Right, the 8 ball Crip sets have continued to represent to the left like the original Crip sets. This shows that even though they have made the secondary alliance with the Gangster Disiples, Crips have no interest in being part of the Folks Nation. Not all Crips represent the 6 point star. Only Crips under the 8 ball alliance represent the 6 point star. The 8 Ball alliance has also caused members from both the Crips and Gangster Disciples to splinter off and create new hybrid Crips / Gangster Disciple combination gangs that are known to represent to the Left side like the Crips in Los Angeles, but have the word "Disciple" attached to their set name

Some Crip sets and Gangster Disciples that were under the 8 ball alliance have been known to "Crack" the 8 Ball, which is dropping the 8 Ball alliance and going to war with each other. Once those individuals decide to crack the 8 Ball, they revert back to their origins and drop all 8 Ball lit from their teachings. Cracking the 8 Ball does not affect the Hybrids.

Some Crip sets and Gangster Disciples are still under the 8 ball alliance in certain states in the Midwest, South, and East Coast. Many Crips and Gangster Disciples participate and join up in "stacking" (throw up gang signs) together. In the South, Crips and Gangster Disciples are considered "cousins". — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeRoyddrick (talk • contribs) 18:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Nortenos and Crips ALLIANCE
Nortes can be allies with crips, crips are blue and nortes are red (soo) some crips sets dont like surenos ..Theres a set in california called C-14 were there is crips and nortes unite,they both hate bloods and surenos.

Nortenos are allied with Crips, it was established in prison. The only Crip sets Nortenos dont get along with are the ones based in LA - however, any Crip set in Northern California or any other state is under a Nuetral or Strong alliance with Nortenos. C-14 is in fact a way of supporting the Crip-Norteno alliance. Azteca Imperio 21:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Sets/Sub-affiliations - add more to this article
I think more needs to be added to this article to make it comprehensive. The larger affiliation of Crip is broken down at various levels with various alliances, beefs, geographical situations, etc and I think not having something on that leaves this article less than fully informative:

For instance, Los Angeles-area Crip gangs are divided into two larger groups of alliances - the "deuces" and the "trays" (deuce meaning two, tray meaning three). Gangs like the Rollin 60's, Darkside 40's and other sets are "deuce" Crips while gangs like Eight-Tray Gangstas are "tray"-affiliated. I've heard a variety of reasons for the distinction but it should be noted that "deuces" and "trays" are usually in opposition to each other. Also there are affiliations such as NHood's or Nieghborhood Crips...to which the "Rollin" gangs are a part, along with gangs such as 67 Neighborhood Crip or Lynwood Neighborhood Crip (NHC). There are also the Gangsta Crip gangs such as the afore-mentioned eight-tray Gangstas, and there were once Hoover (or Hoova) Crip gangs who broke away from the Crips and now refer to themselves as Hoova Criminals. Crip gangs also break down by geography...there are Watts Crips in Watts (PJ Watts Crip, Grape Street Watts Crip, Front Hood Watts Crip), Compton Crips in Compton (Twilight Zone Compton Crip, Nutty Blocc Compton Crip, Park Village Compton Crip), East Coast Crips on the Eastside of South LA (the name East Coast Crips predates the spread of Crips to the actual East Coast of the United States) and the West Coast Crips on the West Side of Long Beach. It also should be noted that some of the most violent gang rivalries in Los Angeles County are between Crip sets and other Crip sets, such as the Rollin 60's/83 Gangstas rivalry in South LA or the Insane Crip/Rollin 20's Crip rivarly in Long Beach.

I think also the expansion of the Crips and the varying forms they take on in different areas should be noted...Crips on the East Coast tend to have a more organized structure than their West Coast predecessors, and the Crip-Crip rivalries that dominate in Los Angeles are rare even in other parts of California.

I think there should be at least a brief mention of the relationship between the decline and migration of Crip gangs with the greater trends of growing Chicano presence in traditional African-American neighborhoods and "Black Flight" to suburbs and other parts of the country.

Finally I think some of the more known sets of crips should be identified and given seperate articles or stubs as they are usually identified seperately by law enforcement and the judicial system in gang injunctions and targeted enforcement efforts. For instance:

Eight Tray (83) Gangsta Crip in South LA

Rollin' 60's Crip in South LA

Raymond Ave Crip in Athens and Altadena

Insane Crip and Rollin 20 Crip in Long Beach

West Coast Crip in Long Beach

PJ Watts Crip and Grape Street Watts Crip in Watts

Shot Gun Crip in Gardena

Six-Deuce (6/2) Dimond Crip Gang in Fresno, Merced, Modesto and Stockton

Garrett Street Crip in Fresno

97th Street Eastcoast Crips —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.167.72 (talk) 03:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Modoc Boyz Crip in Fresno —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.188.250 (talk) 08:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is sourcing the info. I've been in a long battle just adding the estimated number and the single line that the Crips are one of the largest and most powerful gangs. Something that simple is causing one editor in particular to argue about it. I can only imagine trying to add all this. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a guy who's done alot of scholarly research on gangs especially Black gangs in LA. His name is Alex Alonso and he appeared in the "Bastards of the Party" documentary and runs a website www.streetgangs.com with alot of info and links to news articles and other sources of info you can use to keep the editors off your back. I dont see how it can be disputed that the Crips are one of the largest street gang affiliations in the U.S. though. Some people...

well anyway good work so far good luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.114.215 (talk) 04:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible WP:BLP issue
An editor added a name of celebs that are Crips. While I know the list is mostly correct, we might have a BLP issue since it's not referenced. Labelling a living person as a member of a criminal organization without references is a problem, don't you think? Niteshift36 (talk) 14:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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Guns?
I see Wikipedia has produced an article about the Crips,and the word 'gun' does not appear anywhere in the article. It's well-known that the Crips are usually armed with guns,and they have been implicated in many execution-style slayings,drive-by shootings,and so on. Since your Wikipedia article about the Crips does not mention guns,it serves to whitewash the entire Crip phenomenon. This article is strongly biased in favor of the Crips,it is one of the most outstanding examples of biased writing I have ever seen. An article about the Crips that does not contain the word 'gun'! Your article makes the Crips seem like a bunch of innocent little boys scouts. Anthony Ratkov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.9.44 (talk) 08:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not to state the obvious, but the article says they commit murders and armed robberies. Wouldn't most people presume that involves guns? It's been a long time since I was a boy scout, but my troop wasn't involved in murders, drug trafficking, identity theft, robbery, extortion or burglary, all of which are specified as Crip activites. Maybe the boy scouts in your area were different. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Blue
Some mention of gang colours would be nice. --Timtak (talk) 07:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

And how are you supposed to source this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.190.49 (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Black People/white people
Now, this is really idiotic. The article starts like this: "The Crips are a primarily, but not exclusively, African American gang [...]"

So, does that mean that black people from Australia etc. can join, too? No, it is supposed to mean that you don't have to have black skin to join. But it doesn't say that. PC-speak is just sick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.56.110.154 (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * One thing I know for sure: Crips is not a white-only redneck gang out of Southern states, so you must try other racial combinations. --Officer Boscorelli (talk) 11:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The gang is predominately black. But it is not exclusively black. Calling it a black gang would be incorrect. So it is noted that they are primarily, but not exclusively, black. As for the African-American part, again, the members are primarily American......... get it? Niteshift36 (talk) 12:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I was going to comment on this too. I don't disagree that the gang is "primarily African American," but is it really necessary to include this information? Especially in the opening sentence? An article describing a white gang or other group of white people would not begin by explaining that the group is made up of white people... Why is this any different? 70.63.142.246 (talk) 04:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

With regards to the above...check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Brotherhood. States in its opening line that the Aryan Brotherhood is a white crime gang. However, reading into the article it states that it's actually not exclusively white. So...I think the broad generality of saying the Crips is predominately an African American gang is appropriate and that this generality isn't unique with regards to Wiki articles. 71.228.127.1 (talk) 08:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the Crips are, in fact, a black-only gang. I served 5 years in prison and believe me they are nothing besides. There are a lot of suburban kids, even inner-city kids, who try to claim "Crips." They are not (and never were) Crips. You could never link a Crip gang that is not 100% black to the original Crips. In fact, the Crips are pretty much a racist gang. They're a black gang. --76.210.229.236 (talk) 01:09, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Where are you published at? Niteshift36 (talk) 02:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I know Crips and they say its a black gang

How Crips got their name
Their name stands for Community Revolution In Progress it has nothing to do about Stanley Williams not pronouncing crib right —Preceding unsigned comment added by AssassinOfLife (talk • contribs) 04:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I found a couple sources that indicate "Community Revolution in Progress" was a backronym created by the black student union at UCLA years after the formation. dissolve  talk  19:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

New section on sets
I don't really think it belongs here. There are literally hundreds of different sets within the Crips and I don't see the real need to list a couple that don't really have any real notability. Opinions? Niteshift36 (talk) 13:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I also don't think a list is a good idea per WP:EMBED. If the list could be turned into a paragraph of prose with some descriptions and context and its contents were verifiable in a reliable secondary source, I wouldn't object to listing some examples of sets. dissolve  talk  19:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * One of my concerns about listing set examples is the one-upmanship that can happen with various Crips trying to get their set mentioned. At what point could "some" become a big mess? Further, the source being used on this list is not exactly the model of a reliable source. It is a mismash of merchandise selling and brief gang bios written by a consultant who runs the site (ie: wp:sps ) and uses the site to sell his services as a court consultant. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that one problem with a list of sets is that it invites original research and totally agree that the current sourcing is not a secondary reliable source and not acceptable per WP:SPS. I have seen some mentions of specific sets in various newspaper articles and scholarly publications though, so think they could be added if properly sourced per WP:V. It seems like there's enough editors watching this article to revert any vandalism, original research, or unsourced facts that are added.  dissolve  talk  20:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can find mentions of specific sets in newspapers etc. But most would be local interest only and would be deleted for lack of notability if they were an article of their own. Simply being mentioned doesn't confer enough notability. For example, there was an article deleted recently about the Trinitarios. Plenty of newspaper mentions, but nothing that really made them notable. I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't think we need a list of sets at all. But if there must be one, it should be only ones with enough notability to meet the notability criteria. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Number of members!
The number is world wide extremly small it's sould be univers bigger! Like 100,000 or more you have bloods and crips in all the big cities in Canada like Toronto, Montreal, New Zealand (Mainly Maori) Ottawa and more!

Young Piece (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh that number only is the number of all the gang members in Montreal!

Young Piece (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The number used here is sourced. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Crips in the Philippines
There is a local "version" of the Crips in the Philippines, known to exist in Cebu and Bohol, maybe other areas also. They do intensely dislike another local gang called "Bloods" and members of both sides have killed each other. Whether this "Filipino version" of the Crips has any connection to the Crips in the USA is unknown by me. Here's a link to an article regarding them http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/05/17/news/wanted.crips.leader.nabbed.html most of what i know is from what my friends tell me and the graffiti that i've seen around Cebu and Bohol. They seem to be widespread in these areas. I'm told by friends that this local "Crips" do identify with the Crips of America, but I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned on the wikipedia Crips article. Dr Gwapo (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone feel up to a write up about the Micheal Jackson video?
I know it is a bit trivial but the fact that for a brief moment in history the Crips and Bloods worked together on a project is pretty noteworthy. I myself don't know much about it. That's why I came to the page. -- Eddy (talk 13:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's very trivial and not worth mentioning. If you want a topic of Blood-Crip cooperation, I think their joint rap albums would be more relevent. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

"The Crips"
This article still perpetuates the notion that there is a single Crip gang that is made up of hundreds of sets. In reality, there are several distinct Crip gangs (many with sub-sets or clicks) that make up a very loose federation of Crips. The same can be said of Blood gangs. There is no "The Crips," and "The Bloods." There are however, several gangs that claim Crip, and several gangs that claim Blood24.181.225.253 (talk) 04:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If you can back up your statement with reliable sources, then please feel free to cite those sources and change the tone of this article. Plus, please put new topics at the bottom of talk pages. Thank you for your input. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Burger King
I always wondered, do crips eat at Burger King? It would be great if someone cleared that up. --OOODDD (talk) 01:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * No, they prefer Taco Bell instead. --Officer Boscorelli (talk) 11:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Year formed?
One part of the article says they started in 1971, and another part says 1969. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.173.3 (talk) 07:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Niteshift36 (talk) 07:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

See Date Correction...

Tookie Williams stated that the gang was not formed in 1969: "In 1971, I met Raymond Lee Washington (may he rest in peace) and we ultimately decided to unite our homeboys from the west and east sides of South Central to combat neighboring street gangs. (An erroneous grapevine suggests that the Crips formed in 1969, or even as early as the 1950s.)" [1]

What did happen in 1969, was that Raymond Washington formed one of the two gangs that merged to become the Crips, the Baby Avenues street gang, which became the Avenue Cribs. [2] ~Devine25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.46.70.19 (talk) 21:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Cribs to Crips
In the article they say they changed cribs to crips because they were walking with cane!?

It's Crips because they cannot use the letter "B"... because of Bloods

In fact, they always change the "B" for a "P" because its a "b" upside down ( p)

( "b" upside down means a dead blood)
 * Ok, just provide a reliable source for that. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Except the name "Crip" existed before the Bloods. JManHobbs (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

hold the fucc up CRIBS WAS C For Slob Set....Pyru wanted to C Up with us Locs the Bkig Homie Tookie Said No. Signed Luccy Loc west side mafia

Numbers est in every state in all about 65'000 full member
Why is it that the Crips numbers are only 30,000 here but many accounts say they are the largest black gang in America found in nearly or in every state and is much bigger then Vice Lords and among others. So shouldn't there numbers be like 65'000 specially since Crips in America alone outnumber Bloods 3-4 to 1 and their numbers are est 20-25'000 so shouldn't about 60-65'000 be the real number —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 07:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:RS.....read it. Then provide one if you have it. Niteshift36 (talk) 11:35, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Crips and Bloods have known sets in other countries
Hey you guys shouldn't both Crips and Bloods be labeled as worldwide because they have known sets in Africa(mainly southwest), Britain and France, Australia, the Caribbean islands, New Zealand(mainly Maori area), Samoa and other islands and both gangs are known to widely recruit such nationalities(see Crips in Alaska). So I think with so many of them located in other countries though for the most part relatively small minus the Caribbeans and certain african countries mainly in South Africa who are allied with the Numbers gang should be labelled as worldwide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 07:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Maori Crips? My balls ache! --Officer Boscorelli (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * To answer the original question....."you guys" shouldn't do anything. If you have reliable sources showing it, provide them. Of course do we really consider some guys in New Zealand who watched Colors and a bunch of youtube videos and then decided to call themselves "crips" to be actual crip sets? Niteshift36 (talk) 11:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Portrayal in film
Obviously this particular group of gangs has been widely publicized, but the article doesn't touch on how this happened. I just saw a comic reference to a group of Crips robbing a "potsickle vendor" (about 45 minutes into the film) in Darktown Strutters (1975). I've also seen the claim that Colors (film) was blamed for pushing the gang colors and wars into a national phenomenon. I'd assume a lot of this was just that whatever was closest to Hollywood got into the movies, but it'd be interesting to see such a section properly documented. Wnt (talk) 06:55, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Crips and Sureneos aren't enemies
I don't know about outside California but Crips aren't full on enemies with Surs with the few known beefs with Surs are Venice 13, Florencia 13 and CVLS 13. Both gangs actually get along for the most part because both gangs hate Bloods. So I vote Sureneos are either takin off as enemies or "(few sets)" placed beside it--76.94.173.73 (talk) 18:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

=Washington was murdered August 9, 1979 and Williams was executed December 13, 2005.= what does this line mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.37.100.203 (talk) 17:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Crips Allies and Rivals
The Surenos hate the Crips everywhere.The Crips are very close allies with the Nortenos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sculcrusha (talk • contribs) 18:27, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

In LA and among other place Sur and Crips are known to ally with eachother to fight the bloods or to a smaller extent other Surs. Example Both R30s Harlem Crips and ERS-13 both are allied to fight against R20s Bloods, BPS and various mexican gangs near by minus 18st who are allied to Harlem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 00:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

reliable sources please. 24.228.24.97 (talk) 22:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Change needed
Towards the end of the article the phrase ""Crab" is the most disrespectful epitaph to call a Crip, and can warrant fatal retaliation." is used. The word "epitaph" is completely wrong in the context, seems to me the original author meant "epithet". Can't change it myself due to semi-protection. JManHobbs (talk) 23:48, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Done. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Leaders?
The article states Initially Crips leaders did not occupy leadership positions, but were recognized as leaders because of their personal charisma and influence. So if they didn't occupy leadership positions how under God can they be called leaders? Surely by definition occupying a leadership position is what makes somebody a leader. I would have changed this myself but I don't get the meaning of the sentence at all so could somebody who does get what is being infered edit this to make some sense please. Keresaspa (talk) 02:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Date Correction
Tookie Williams stated that the gang was not formed in 1969: "In 1971, I met Raymond Lee Washington (may he rest in peace) and we ultimately decided to unite our homeboys from the west and east sides of South Central to combat neighboring street gangs. (An erroneous grapevine suggests that the Crips formed in 1969, or even as early as the 1950s.)"

What did happen in 1969, was that Raymond Washington formed one of the two gangs that merged to become the Crips, the Baby Avenues street gang, which became the Avenue Cribs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.46.70.19 (talk) 21:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

asian boyz
abs are not crips and crips don't like them who the hell keeps putting that up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 16:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 July 2012
yO Homie i Want to add the sets to crips

Kellyparkgreenleaf (talk) 04:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Danger! High voltage! 04:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Uniform
Not a surprise, we have another purge by Niteshift36.

The definition of Uniform should be self explanatory. However, there is a dispute that a specific color preference of clothing to show an affiliation with a specific organization does not include the color Blue with Crips I disagree, and believe it is in fact uniformity, and was intended as such.

Twillisjr (talk) 18:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Purge? Oh wait, I forgot about your affinity for hyperbole. So what is the "distinctive" Crip uniform? What is the uniform that we will see Crips across the country wearing? Or is it merely the color blue, which is not exclusive to them anyway. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently, this is a Crip (note the blue bandanna "uniform").....ok, so that was some levity (and eye candy), but the point it still there. Here is a picture from a Crip gathering . What is uniform there? Only the color blue and even that is barely there for some of the guys. Same here  or here . Especially the 2 guys in the last link......there is really not much there that identifies them as a Crip, especially in the clothing. The only common thing here is blue and blue doesn't belong solely to the Crips, so calling it distinctive is a tough sell. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

History
The history section is linked to an article that doesn't exist. According to the Encyclopedia of Gangs, Crips stands for Community Relations for an Independent People.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memphisdude (talk • contribs) 03:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, start reading on page 43. They tell a different story from the attempt to make criminals look like political reformers (ie the community relations acronym). Niteshift36 (talk) 12:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Juggalo allies
An editor removed a statement that the Crips are "allied" with Juggalos from the infobox, and another editor restored it. After examining the cited source, it seems that the source indicates that Juggalos are aligned with Crips in one county in Colorado. Per WP:UNDUE, I don't think that such a narrow association deserves a spot in the infobox, because it gives the false impression of a wider alliance. The association may merit mention in the article text, where it can be fully explained, but not in the infobox. I plan to remove the statement from the infobox unless there's objection here. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 18:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Might want to look again. It specifies Garfield County, CO; Pueblo, CO; Lackawanna County, PA and Oklahoma City. We're making too big of a deal over the word "allied". Nobody is claiing some big national treaty here. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Crips and Surenos False Alliance Claim
Crips and Surenos are not allies! In fact, they are very violent enemies! Just because they claim the same color does not automatically make them allies!! Surenos, aka Sur 13, are street Soldiers for The Mexican Mafia (La Eme) Prison Gang. La Eme are allies with The Aryan Brotherhood and for a very long time have put out an order to Sureno street gang members to cleanse their streets of not only African American street gang members, but African Americans in general. As far as the claim that Nortenos and Crips are enemies. That is also FALSE! Nortenos are street soldiers for La Nuestra Familia Prison Gang, aka NF, who are the direct enemies of The Mexican Mafia, as well as Surenos. The NF has an alliance with The Black Guerilla Family, BGF, due to both having common enemies in La Eme and The Aryan Brotherhood. Nortenos claim the color red but show respect to all who return the respect. Growing up in Central and Northern California, I would see first hand the Crips and Nortenos hanging out and joining forces to battle Surenos. California Youth Authority, CYA, is full of C-14 gang members. (not to be confused with C-14st Clanton, an LA Sureno Gang)This coalition of Crips and Nortenos and the unification of "C" and "14" shows that there is not any bad blood between both gangs. If anything, if there is beef between the two gangs, it is usually on a case by case basis, as with everything else. But for general purposes, The Crips and Nortenos are NOT enemies!! The Crips and Surenos are NOT allies! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.37.2 (talk) 11:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You might want to read our policies on WP:Verifying entries using reliable sources. What you've done here is to give us your personal opinions/experience, known on Wikipedia as original research. None of what you said is usable in the article. That said, there were no sources specifically on the Sureno or Norteno entries so I removed them. If someone finds a source and returns them, they'll likely be kept.Niteshift36 (talk) 12:56, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Crips and Surenos are allies because they have Common enimies Its Just certain Sets. Sur 13, are street Soldiers for The Mexican Mafia (La Eme) Prison Gang. La Eme are allies with The Aryan Brotherhood in Prison, Most of these Racist Surenos are fake internet bangers and the real Racist ones are Mostly White or white Mexicans. Nortenos and Crips are enemies on the streets. Nortenos are street soldiers for La Nuestra Familia Prison Gang, aka NF, who are the direct enemies of The Mexican Mafia, as well as Surenos. The NF has an alliance with The Black Guerilla Family, BGF, due to both having common enemies in La Eme and The Aryan Brotherhood. Nortenos claim the color red but show respect to all who return the respect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.3.103.186 (talk • contribs) 21:42, December 16, 2013‎

Bloods and cribs are no big enemies
Since quite some time Bloods and Cribs don't have such a strong feud anymore. They can even be seen hanging around together. Influencing characters show support. I would add it to the article but I am not allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:56:C927:4501:40C9:ABE7:F3AD:E78C (talk) 15:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The article is protected to block unsourced additions. Do you have a reliable source for your claim? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Crips?Niteshift36 (talk) 20:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Split
 Support split - Jeremy Meeks has been well publicized and should have his own article. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Not notable. Meeks is not the subject of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources sufficient to write a reasonably detailed article. At the moment, the only source given is Huffington Post regurgitating corrections on Bullett and Gawker. If true, the original reports would have made him a non-notable possible future model. Now he's a non-notable non-future model. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not only does it not merit it's own article, it doesn't even merit mention in this one. This is a non-notable BLP1E that has zero impact on the overall topic of the Crips. If you make it a separate article, it will likely be deleted. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Why did you even propose this split if you were going to split the article anyway, less than an hour after soliciting the discussion? I've nominated the Meeks article for deletion. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Any further comments should be addressed at Articles for deletion/Jeremy Meeks. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Knowledge
i would like to say something about the crips and bloods. some younger members moving into Albrithgsville, pa, and were fighting and killing each other in the local school, Penn Kidder Campus. unfortunately, i have no sources, except the principle and the superintendent, and a teacher that talks about these things. what can i do about this, like adding this piece the the article? Y0shimari0 (talk) 00:30, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing you're saying indicates that it's actually notable. Just because something happens doesn't mean it gets included here. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:36, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2015
Scott is mispelled Scoott in a passage

173.70.160.182 (talk) 01:14, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks! Kap 7 (talk) 02:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

New content
, Hello! Well as you can see I mostly edit gang articles. I have edit and added content on the Sureños, 18 street, Aryan Brotherhood, Norteños, Gangster Disciples, Wah Ching, White power Skinheads, and etc. I know that you saw my edit on the Norteños article. I added the Raya shooting. Raya is one guy, and I heard that the Norteños gang membership is around 2,000. You agreed with my edit the Norteños, and you even reworded the content that I added there, but for the Crips who had 5 guys involved; (vs. 1 guy for the Norteños) you disagree? I think it should be added on the article because it was news and it's a notable case. It is part of their criminal history. Could justify your revert, and comment here on why it shouldn't be added on the article. BlueRedPurpleGreen (talk) 06:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Raya is different. Whereas the trafficking in this case was heinous and got local coverage, the coverage was contained mostly to the region it occurred in. It was news, but most newsworthy events aren't actually that notable. Raya however got national coverage. He was a Iraq war veteran, used an "assault rifle", killed a cop, wounded another and got into a shootout with SWAT. On top of it all, much of it was caught on video and the story was heavily covered by national media. I'll also say that it had an impact on law enforcement in terms of tactics and helped spur them to start looking into the military-gang connection more. Bith events were newsworthy, Raya became notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Addendum: The number of people, in and of itself, isn't really a big factor. If 5 Crips kill a Blood on a street corner in Compton, that's not terribly notable. But if one lone guy, like Mark David Chapman, kills a John Lennon, it's darn sure notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:30, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2015
The following text (in the 2nd paragraph under History) is repetitive (going so far as to repeat the exact same phrases):

The growth and power of the gang really took off in the early 1980s when crack cocaine hit the streets. The huge profits from distribution of crack cocaine induced many Crips to establish new markets in other cities and states. As a result, Crip membership grew steadily and by late 1980s it was the one of the largest street-gangs in the country. In the early 1980s Crips sets began distributing crack cocaine in Los Angeles. The huge profits resulting from crack cocaine distribution induced many Crips members to establish new markets in other cities and states. In addition, many young men in other states adopted the Crips name and lifestyle. As a result of these two factors, Crips membership increased throughout the 1980s, making it one of the largest street gang associations in the country. In 1999, there were at least 600 Crips sets with more than 30,000 members transporting drugs in the United States.

Suggested tightened up version:

The growth and power of the gang really took off in the early 1980s when crack cocaine hit the streets. In the early 1980s Crips sets began distributing crack cocaine in Los Angeles. The huge profits from distribution of crack cocaine induced many Crips to establish new markets in other cities and states. As a result, Crip membership grew steadily and by late 1980s it was the one of the largest street-gangs in the country. In 1999, there were at least 600 Crips sets with more than 30,000 members transporting drugs in the United States.

Ridingincar (talk) 20:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done You're right, two of the sentences are almost identical. Stickee (talk) 22:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2016
The letters "CK", which stand for "Crip killer", will be avoided and substituted with a double "cc", and the letter "b" will be replaced with a "c". The words "kick back" will instead be written as "kicc cacc".

JaccsAndJokers (talk) 19:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 19:24, 24 March 2016 (UTC)