Talk:Criss Angel Mindfreak

The reference [1] is a joke
The youtube video linked in reference 1 is some kind of poorly done amateur video.76.183.169.130 (talk) 23:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Article would totally benefit from some cool expansion
If anyone has some real cool information to post, with citable sources, 'be bold!' I'll be on the lookout for some information to make the wiki a bit meatier; frankly it's not as indepth or interesting as it could be. 24.251.84.221 08:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

This article was copied from his website
Take almost any whole paragraph from the article and try it yourself.
 * This article is clearly not from a neutral point of view, it reads like a website written by the shows producer as an advertisement. It's almost like this was copied and pasted from the shows website. OH WAIT IT WAS. http://www.crissangel.com/dvd_tv/data/generic_site/crissangel/dvd_tv/tv.html I copied an entire paragraph from the article and googled it... Look at what I found. This article should be deleted and re written from the bottom up. It's probably also a violation of the copyright on the Criss Angel website.

Reading Comprehension
"Contrary to publically insisting that his magic feats are possible as a result of meditation, some allege that Angel uses camera special effects, forced viewing angles and assistants acting as amazed spectators for the tv audience."

Sounds like someone edited the original, but didnt pay attention to what the original was saying. Someone who knows what it should be want to fix it? --ThreadbareSock 20:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Multiple images
Does the page really need two copies of the same image? Laundrypowder 02:47, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * That's weird. The images are technically different files...I wasn't really paying attention to them when I started to edit the page or I would have dealt with that. Ah well, I'll deal with it now then. One of them has been deleted. Maybe we should try to find a screnshot from the show to replace it? (If we can do that without a copyright issue, mind.) User:Premeditated Chaos 19:18, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've sent a simple request for any poster/image that we could use with a defined copyright status. Who knows if it'll bring anything but better than a loose screen-capture hopefully. Laundrypowder 20:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Possibly a joke?
About halfway down, someone copy and pasted the text of the first paragraph, changing "Mindfreak" to "Buttleak".

Oh. And they slaughtered the episode list.

Fixed on 1/05, reverted to the version directly before the vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.80.232.33 (talk • contribs) 06:28, January 6, 2006 (UTC)

Tricks?
There is no mention of any attempts to discover the "how'd he do it"s on this page.

While its not required that we do this, I think its easy to say people do vioce their opinions, or have broken down how these stunts are performed.

I do know myself that a lot of people here must be staged, after all in one episode of Mindfreak he makes a woman disappear without re-materializing her, something all magicians seem to do unless its a staged actor.

I already have one figured out, in a part of episode "Vanish," he makes a cat disappear. This has been done before; the cat was actually pushed through a side portion of the box and then pulled off the table by one of the crew. The box (containing the cat) itself was then moved off camera by both the camera's movement and the stage hand, who pulls it back to himself behind the little coverage the table provides.

Another is where he tries to pull up a manhole cover. Notice the changing of the cameras? After the last "pull" of the same slide, which is actually soundbite over the plastic "handle," it rolls up. The real manhole is nw behind the camera.

Still trying to figure out the levitation though.

Camera tricks
User DannyDunn (talk/contribs) recently changed the content of the introductory paragraph entirely (diff). He also did a similar edit at Criss Angel (diff). He seems to be driving the idea that the tricks by Criss Angel are mere camera tricks with a sold-in audience members. The changes were made to the articles without any past discussion, which is why I'm creating this chapter in the discussion page in the hopes explanations will be added. --Bisqwit 02:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Some proof of camera tricks
Yes indeed Criss uses mostly camera tricks that are performed in front of audiences that are all in on it. His editing has become so sloppy you can even see the camera tricks exposed in his videos.

In this video you can see scratch marks on the pavement made by the manhole cover he removes. The camera cuts away from the manhole cover to show Criss, later when the camera pans down the scratch marks are no longer there because you are looking at a fake manhole cover. The real cover is a few feet off camera yet you are forced ( via forced camera perspective) to ONLY see the fake cover that he peels off the ground. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/176801/criss_angel_crawls_out_of_a_storm_drain/ If you were there in person you'd see how it really works.

Take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRR30Tll6wY&search=chris%20angel and you'll see a particpant running away from the camera with a stick. You will see him use the stick at 2:42 in the video and then he is seen running off camera in the background later. Why would anyone run from such a cool trick..shouldn't he be amazed like the rest of the crowd if they were seeing a real trick .Read all the comments posted for more details. This is one example of MANY things that are so ovious when you pay attention.

In the walking thru glass stunt he says to the camera man.. " Don't cut away..keep one continuous shot" but after the glass is examined the camera zooms up on his shoes as he unties them. The glass is moved then ..off camera while we are forced to look at his shoes. Everyone else there saw the switch yet they all act impressed. If we had been standing there we would have seen how it was really done.

Here is Criss himself explaining how one works. This trick was featured on MindFreak but only looked good from the cameras point of view as people on the street would all see how its done. http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1142851570/Chris_Angel_Reveals_His_Secrets

Here is yet another example... view this video ( listen closely  to what he say to the girl) and then read the comments below. http://www.dumpalink.com/post/1127379217/Chris_Angel%5Cs_ButterFly_Trick  then watch the video again. The proof is all there.

Look Here http://www.metacafe.com/watch/30413/chris_angel_on_fire/ and you'll notice many of the people in the crowd  are in a different position when Criss reappears than they were when he vanished. ( much easier to spot on a video tape or DVD compared to web videos )The camera was cut and restarted after he changed costumes. The fire extriguishers were used to help cover the edit point. Again... ovious when you look close enough.

Its good viewing and lots of fun to watch but its not reality television as previous stated in the article. Its not even magic... its scripted fiction complete with editing, actors and special effects. DannyDunn

Sounds like you are not a magaican so you wouldnt know that there are illusions that only look good from certain angles. It also seems as if you think that real magicians have real magical powers and since criss angel doesnt have any of that, he uses camera trickery on all his illusions. --Red monkey 21:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Your argument about Criss's levitation and how it would only look good from the cameras point of view and how all people on the street would see how it is done, is completly wrong. The illusion is SUPPOSED to be viewed behind Criss's back. As long as he is able to control the crowd and watch his angles, there is no way the spectators will see how it is done. Plus, the camera is viewing it from the spectators point of view as well.


 * All these are purely speculative, and cannot be proven one way or the other that he actually uses camera tricks to perform his stunts on the show, especially when countless other magicians who have had their tricks televised has used the same or similar tricks without being accused of using camera effects. For instance, David Blaine levitates in front of a full audience on the streets just like Criss (in effect, if not in technique), yet no one accuses him of making use of camera tricks to achieve the effect. What about Totally Hidden Extreme Magic? The magicians there perform many of the same or similar stunts as Criss, yet none of them were accused of using camera tricks to achieve them. Heck, one person from THEM, Cyril, actually mimicked Criss' 'Matrix Leap' effect on a Japanese television show (where he jumped 'into' an open suitcase held by one of his assistants), yet still no accusations of camera tricks. Besides, in a similar argument on the discussion board of Criss' own article, you state quite clearly that he is only using such tricks on his show, never extending that accusation to his LIVE shows (where you admitted that he was a competent magician in his own right). Unlike, say, a musician who lip-synchs, a magician like Criss spends most of his time on live shows, in front of a live audience night after night. ANY actual evidence of him cutting corners in his acts on TV would ultimately come back to bite him in the ass on his live shows, since no one who knew he faked most of his stunts on TV would believe that he wasn't doing the same in his live shows and, hence, his credibility as a magician all around would greatly diminish. Believe it or not, it's much more difficult to hide the fact that you're a faker as a magician than it is to hide the fact that you're a faker as a musician, since magicians require a lot more physical movement and interaction with their audience to be successful. Also, it's much more costly to 'fake' a magic trick than it is to fake a song; you need to pay the actors in the audience (which, considering the sheer amount of people in the audience in most of Criss' stunts, would take much more money than Criss would most likely afford to lose), rig the tricks so he could make use of the 'camera tricks' without being blatant about it (so as to keep his credibility), AND it assumes that Criss is in TOTAL control over his own show, including what and when and how to air what goes on in his shows (which, even as the Executive Producer, he CAN'T be; A&E - the people who actually does the airing - has a lot more say in what to cut out and what to leave in for content/time restraints/commercias/etc. than he does. He actually REGAINED the rights to the two episodes that never aired, even on the DVD sets, which tells you that A&E CAN and DOES override his say on how his show is run). Once again, a guy with a stick running away does not indicate in any fashion that he's a faker that cuts corners on his show (just a stick is a very poor replacement for a human hand, and CAN be spotted as such by a cursory inspection), nor does a slight change in position from the crowd mean anything, either (considering that he just lit himself on fire and FELL ON THE GROUND, it's not hard to imagine that people would be freaked out over what happened to him, and changed their position as a reflex reflecting that shock). As someone else said, a lot of the street magic he performs is so rediculously simple to perform, that it can seriously disappoint someone expecting a lot more from it. What you are doing is grasping at straws in a lame attempt to justify your conspiracy theory against Criss, when all your so-called 'evidence' can be easily debunked by a simple examination of the actual tape by a professional (or, at least, someone with a bit of knowledge about splicing together and editing film). Plus, it makes no logical sense that he would cut corners on his own show, when he is perfectly capable of performing those same stunts on his live show, sans trickery. Why half-ass something when you are clearly capable of doing it all the way? I'm sorry, but while I respect your opinion that Criss Angel sucks, your accusations of him are baseless and are made invalid by virtue of your presenting of such accusations as fact. Such actions on your part are considered confirmation bias (where you attempt to fit in innocuous and superficial events in the show as 'proof' that he's a faker on-air), as well as hasty generalization (using such a small amount of 'proof' of his cheating to prove that he cheats on ALL of his stunts), and spurrious relationship (since you are apparently claiming that none of his stunts are possible on TV without SOME kind of trickery or unprofessionalism, ie "He can't make a drawing turn into a butterfly unless he used an edit and a paid actor), all of which are logical fallacies and, hence, make your argument completely invalid, regardless if you are correct or not. In other words, they're simply your own opinions, and not fact; shut up, stop grasping at straws, and don't spread such stupid rumors unless you have some actual, verifiable proof to back it up, alright? SynjoDeonecros 07:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * In this video http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1155290487/Criss_Angel_Bike_Trick_ you can see him vanish a bike. Please note that Criss once again says to the people... " we have never met right?" and then he vanishes the bike. Look closely and you'll not only see the camera edit where the bike is switched with a wooden frame ( or something stiff to resemble the bike handlebars ) but you'll also see the cloth remain stiff ( because it had the framework still in it ) when he removes it from the sidewalk and sets it aside.  Can you seriously believe that these people standing right there did not see the bike removed and the fake handle bars inserted? They are plants just like most other audience members on Mindfreak.  BTW... Blaine was also accused of camera tricks... here is an explanation of his levitating with both feet off the ground.... CAMERA TRICK!!!! just like Angel   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1953592714984673375&q=levitation+secrets   DannyDunn


 * Here is a popular spoof of Mindfreak and its camera tricks. http://www.shinyfire.com/feats/angel/angel.html  When its a regular person performing its so easy to recognise the fake response and camera tricks but when its a network televison show people prefer to believe its all real for some reason.  Can any of Criss's defenders prove that there ARE camera tricks used in this spoof? Prove.. not speculate....  Of course not... it's obvious but there is no proof other than raw footage....just like in Mindfreak. DannyDunn

Y'know what? You can dislike Criss all you want. But don't try and shove your opinions down the throats of his fans. Seriously, get a life. And use actual evidence to support your damn theories.


 * OK... You want some "actual" evidence.. here is proof... ( although I suspect you will come up with some denial theory ) In this video   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thc2Cni3Ync  you will see Criss talking to a couple that he pretends to have met for the FIRST time. He takes their wedding rings and links them together.  Isn't it a coincidence that  the groom is wearing a himber ring... a trick linking ring known to just about every magician . You will see a good shot in the video of the ring and then you can visit this  site  http://www.thecentertear.com/?nd=full&key=1999 and see the himber ring ( wedding band style in gold ) for sale.  The point being that the bride and groom are  planted participants/actors just like many many others on MindFreak.   " Never met you before?" Yeah right!!!! DannyDunn

Whoop-dee-doo. He did a standard stage trick.

"Many, many others", eh? Care to explain where he's getting all these "paid/planted actors and assistants"? And, here's a good question: how come you never seem to raise these theories about anyone but Criss? I assume you're one of those David Blaine fans who hate Criss beyond all reason just because he exists.

How about you perform some magic and disappear?


 * I'm a Blaine Fan??? Now who is shoving opinions around? To answer your question... I don't discuss Blaine here because this is the Mindfreak page...not the Blaine page. Where does he get the paid actors??? ... the same place as anyone else does. It's not difficult to do. What a silly question. If you can't take the proof get out of the Mindfreak page. DannyDunn

I never once flat-out said you were a Blaine fan, and I certainly didn't shove the idea. I assumed you were, because you act like one. {I also noticed that, apparently, you haven't said a word on the David Blaine page. Kinda leads one to believe you're another pro-Blaine/anti-Criss person.}

How about you leave? You're the one shoving your damn anti-Criss opinions {which no Criss fan here is buying, BTW} down everyone's throats. Here's an idea: if you hate Criss so much, don't watch his damn show, don't harrass his fans, just don't have anything to do with him. If I don't like something, I just don't involve myself in it. You should do the same. Simple solution.


 * Hahaha. "anti-Criss" opinions? This is really absurd. The article should at least include a section questioning his "magic tricks", as there is a lot of evidence showing that he relies mostly on camera tricks, editing, and sold-in audiences, as shown in the various links above; although illusionists occasionally rely on each of these, Angel seems to use them almost exclusively, which most people would not consider a very clever or impressive illusion. If you want to see special effects you can go watch a movie. 87.114.137.67 09:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I have no belief that it was camera tricks. He does the stunts. He simply learned new ways of using his body. It is obvious that he can't be completely fake anyway because his escape tricks are 100% genuine, and I have a certain program that detects camera tricks, so I put some episodes on a DVD and it could not detect any camera tricks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jntg4.7 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Pardon my coherency, but isn't the main purpose of an encyclopedia to document information? If you picked up a volume of Encyclopedia Britannica and looked up "magician" or "illusion", I'm pretty sure you wouldn't find a specific section depicting whether or not any of you think or don't think it's real. The article says nothing about him actually having supernatural capabilities, in fact, a few actual testimonies by Angel himself have blatantly denied their existence. There's no need for a section to have a quiet but inevitably annoying infight in over whether or not "You think" one way or another.

Oh, and to the preceeding post, unless you work in the field of computer forensics and have access to powerful technology, it's extremely unlikely that a program installed on what's most likely a home computer would be able to detect edits especially after you burned the video files onto something. That's like taking a picture of the Mona Lisa with a black smear over her face and claiming the painting is the unaltered original because you can't pull the black paint off your camera face. But, I digress. The article is unbiased already. Kindly don't ruin it with your dreck. 66.61.89.208 (talk) 06:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)The Rare Intelligent /b/tard


 * I honestly have a hard time to stop laughing at how anyone can actually believe this guy is in any way "magical." What more evidence do you need? I don't think any is really required. Most of these "tricks" are blatantly fake, and the ones that may be slightly more subtle can be easily disproved by many natural laws, as many others have posted and stated. Anyone who can call him/herself a fan of this man obviously has a mental dysfunction, or is extremely gullible. Erik212 (talk) 04:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not a message forum people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.93.128 (talk) 20:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Often?
"Tesla Strike: People who are struck by lightning often show increased memory and mental capabilities."

I think Criss Angel said this on one of his shows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.50.68 (talk) 04:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to consider the extremely rare "often"? Most people struck by lightning are messed up badly. 66.57.225.195 12:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
See WP:CONTEXT. The overlinking on this page needs to be cleaned up. It was done by a single user but since there have been edits since that time it needs to be done by hand. There are a lot of pages to clean up because of what this one person did, and I will try to get to them in turn, but if someone interested in this page can get started that would be good. Examples of inappropriate links are all the dates in the episode list, basic words like equipment, camera, past, handcuff, volunteer, etc. Try only to keep words that provide the necessary context. --Crossmr 06:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I did some work on this matter. --Bisqwit 02:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

POV
Okay, so in the article is says "A major part of the show is the fact that Criss uses computer technology and camera edits/effects in his magic. In addition to camera tricks the use of assistants acting as amazed spectators has created controversy among fellow magicians while others consider it part of modern magic on television". Although it says the the statement needs to be cited, I feels it was put by some Criss hater and figure some other Wikipedians do,too.--Happycat93 03:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)Happycat93

See: Boundaries and the Impossible, Criss Angel discussion page. I like him, so does master conjuror   James Randi 25 Jul 06 User:Kazuba

Cameras
Why exactly can't they have one single camera from one angle recording his whole act? They always have to switch camera angles or go to the audience or something. Want to know why? Because it's all fake and the audience is fake. Has anyone here actually seen this guy CLOSE UP doing his stuff? No. Thank you.
 * David Blaine, David Copperfield even Cyril uses multiple cameras to get audience reaction. Just because it is not shot using only one camera does not mean everything is fake.
 * Yes it does
 * No it doesen't
 * YES IT DOES !!!!
 * No it doesn't
 * Yes. It. Does.
 * No it doesn't
 * Yes... it... does!!!
 * No it doesn't
 * YES IT DOES!!!!!!
 * Yes it does
 * No it doesn't!!! Aw damnit.

What, do you think the louder and more frequently you say it, the smarter you look, or the more correct you are? (unsigned comment)

That's WP at its best, right there. :-) --76.212.165.125 06:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Angel isn't fake, in fact I'm 100% convinced he does have some supernatural power. Yes yes I know that the point of his illusions is make you think so, but some things he does is absolutely impossible by any means. In addition to his "panty-color predicting" trick, another one comes to mind: He takes a painted card out of a strictly ordinary painting...literally. When he takes it out, the card is no longer there, then he creases it, and puts it back, and it's painted with the crease, when it wasn't there originally. He also takes a $100 bill and a martini glass out of the painting, and again when he takes them out they're not in the painting. He then puts it back. And this is (as far as I can tell) a continuous camera shot, so there's no way the painting could have been replaced. That's my proof. I'd like to see a skeptic try to refute that trick. -Eridani 03:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Right, because he couldn't have had duplicates made of the painting or anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.75.119 (talk) 16:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

(Just wanted to say that there are a couple of demonstrations he does with only one camera, uncut. I.E. Trash Can and a couple others that I can't think of right now.)

Parity
It is not at all clear to me why there are so many calls for "reveals" of Criss Angel's illusions, whereas there are virtually none on the page for David Blaine. It would appear that, for reasons I can't identify, this page is much more critical than Blaine's.


 * I don't think that any magicians secrets should be exposed to the public but Angel is not performing magic. He is attempting to pass off camera tricks  and special effects as performance of magicians skills. We might as well credit Superman for his great levitations in Superman Returns as well if we are going to be amazed at Angels floating from building to building.  All we are doing is calling it what it is... camera tricks. You don't see anyone exposing Angels effects that are really slight of hand  ( he does several nice effects the old fashioned way... he performs them with skills. )  We just don't want him passing off " Spielburg" work as a magic trick anymore.   DannyDunn


 * I respect your opinion about the reveals, But, I feel its within guidelines of wikipedia. You can have the reveals and still be entertained. Thats why there is "Spoiler" notices. Also many young inspired magicians can benefit from this. David blaine should have his reveals also, I suspect if when his show is on again, you will see it for him just as much as Criss. But for now, its not so much. Otherjohn 19:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Criss Angel really teaches us one thing: Do not believe everything you see on videos. He illustrates this point by doing totally ridiculous things. What is he going to do next? Grow a pair of breasts on his chest in Season 3(easy editing job)? Good point on the Superman. I think you also can go watch Charm, Smallville, Matrix, Final Fantasy. Just label it as magic, but these cartoons are definitely not the kind done by Houdini and others.

I'm an ex-Amateur magician, and I have fun looking at tricks like the one Criss Angel does and working out the mechanics of them for myeself. They are well executed, and a lot of fun for the viewing audience. I have no interest in spoiling things for the viewing audience, but I do feel performers should be honest with the claims they make regarding video edits (or lack thereof), etc. in their work. In the case of Angel's 'walking through glass' illusion, there is no question in my mind that the trick was pulled off with video editing. Nothing wrong with that, unless the whole hallmark of your performances is that you >don't< use video editing. I have no respect for a performer that is dishonest with their audience in this fashion.--Wee Charlie 19:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think people need to learn the difference between camera tricks and just normal tricks. Believe it or not, all magic is fake, the art form itself is tricking people through misdirection to make them believe that the impossible can happen. Of course he can't fly from one building to another, there was probably some sort of system holding him up just like when David Copperfield flies around. Just because there is an elaborate trick involved doesn't mean that there needed to be cutting done afterwards. Maybe if you stopped excepting Criss to be God, and just enjoyed his performance things would be much better. I wouldn't even care if he actually used camera editing, because he's a performer, their job is to entertain, and he certainly does that.

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Major Cleanup.
I just spent a few minutes and did some major cleanup on this article. The entire thing sounded like it was copied directly from the A&E show page. It was all POV/unsourced/original research and basically a Advert. I cleaned it up, and it looks fine now. If any can find some NPOV and sourced infomation, then go ahead and add it. dposse 02:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

"New meaning to the world of magic"?
Geez. I edited it out a while ago and it got re-inserted on the same day. This is an encyclopedia.

Please guys/gals: help me keep this text removed. P.S.: And it was edited out yet again. Please help??


 * What exactly is new to magic about Criss??? He had made it popular on television again but nothing he does is new to the magic world/magicians.That sort of talk should be left to fan pages not encyclopedias.

Insert non-]] ==]''formatted text here hey if you what to sit in your chair switch ill sit in your spot from marcus
 * Agreed. The whole article is filled with fan-speak. The new sections on the beggining are better than the previous ones, but still d*on't cut it. I'm adding a POV warning above - I'd be grateful if more people could help us making it better or, at least, keeping the changes we make. It seems we may be caught in a revert-war here.


 * This is because major parts of this page are actually from his website crissangel.com and if you google almost any whole paragraph that wasn't already edited down by someone, it goes straight to his website.

Just at thought
If he realy did have powers... couldnt he do something more useful with them? I would like to see him make nuclear waste disappear, i mean if i had those powers, i would seriously run around in tights being a super hero, well.. not realy, i would just never have to take out the garbage agian, or use stairs, but back to my point, if he was real, i think he would be doing more important things. 69.153.137.77 21:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Physical laws are universal
It's simple. Nothing can avoid physical laws. Matter is energy and energy is matter. One can be converted into the other one and vice-versa, but it produces byproducts such as heat, light, electricity, etc... A simple bike cannot disappear just like that. If it does disappear (which is possible but not with current technology), then it is because it was converted into energy. However, if you know what E=mc2 means, the conversion of a 10kg bike into energy would have produced about 9x1017 joules of energy, 4.3 times the energy released by the Tsar Bomba: a 50 megatons hydrogen fusion nuclear bomb. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_bomba#The_test, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%3Dmc2#Conservation_of_mass_and_energy

Oh by the way, teleportation is out of the question since it requires to much data to carry over to the destination (billions of billions of atoms to replace in the same pattern.) Far much more than what a human brain can handle if we suppose Mr. Angel has the possibility to perform teleportation.

He may have use a wormhole, but no gravitational effect was visible.

About levitation, even light is affected by gravity (Earth's gravity does bend light a little), so it is really a major discovery that Mr. Angel have there with a mean to escape it without the use of any source of energy or sophisticated technology. That would revolutionate our society and our way of living like nothing else just as fire did in the past. Mr. Angel, you'd be so rich that even Mr. Gates would look like a beggar next to you. What in the world are you waiting for??

The only thing that might be explained and experimented or tested in labs is mental reading wherein the changes in the electrical field of a subject's brain created by the electrical impulses (which makes our counsciousness) might be decoded by a highly evolved sensitive brain such as Mr. Angel's brain, but that's just gross theory. Veeery hypothetical...

Anyways, if you lack evidences or facts to defend or to attack a premise, logic is the previous level in the order of arguments in which essays and argumentations are based on (any college grad student is suppose to know that) and here the logic says that if anyone on Earth has really those stunning skills he'd be either: hidden and used as a secret weapon by the army (if he makes his skills known to public) or used as an intensive neurological and scientific experiments subject or he'd use his skill in order to gain power and gradeur, but he'd definitively not be a simple street magician...just think about it seriously....

Yoda said to Luke Skywalker in Episode V: "Eyes can lie to you. Do not trust them!" I guess that just makes it clearer don't you think?

Nevertheless, his shows are still awesome to watch!


 * Wow, that's the most compelling proof that Angel is fake yet! Forced angles are merely a point of argument but you can't mess with laws of life. Bravo, mystery editor.Ball of pain 22:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow is right, you just gave me enough material to google for the next week or so. Seriously, your knowledge and the simple way of explaining such things is very appreciated and impressive, but dont you think its time you get a girlfriend...??? just a thought..

What you see is what you get. Criss says it all the time. He also says that what you think is reality (what is reality, anyway?) might be illusion, and what you think is illusion might be reality. Maybe he can't actually walk up the side of a building, but he can create the illusion that he can. I'm only an ameutuer (sorry, bad spelling) magician, but I still know how to levitate a couple inches off the ground (not 30 feet, but it's a start), make a card (your chosen card by the way) go through glass, and I'm pretty sure I know how he did the elephant vanish. And beside, laws are just rules and rules were meant to be broken ;)


 * Such as laws against homicide? Can we break that one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.46.52.99 (talk) 02:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh God, the inanity of that...--THobern 18:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by THobern (talk • contribs)

Music
I was wonderin who did his theme song its not on the page from what i can see and i believe it should be
 * He did his own theme song, although I think Klayton was involved. Daedae 01:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Building Implosion
The building implosion was done showing a PRE-RECORDED tape when he enters the first door inside the building. Notice the handcuffs in his pocked disappear as he runs through the door. While the tape of him running to the top plays, he simply exits the building. Other tricks, such as, disappearing during bike jump, Grand Canyon jump, levitation/vanish and many more are digital compositing and edits. Angel is a total fraud. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's possible that Angel could have survived the implosion from the top of a nine-story building. If you watch carefully, you'll see that as a camera crew goes to inspect the rubble, Angel jumps out from the side. If that's not odd enough, I can say with certainty that it goes against all laws of physics that a person can be on the ninth story of a building during an implosion, and yet get up and walk away with no visual injuries other than being covered in plaster dust. Magic? No. Faked? Yes. 66.19.57.54 (talk) 03:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Fake? Really? He only stated on Phenomenon that there is no such thing as paranormal. Surviving a 9 story implosion is pretty much paranormal. In my opinion, which I know means nothing here, is that the "live cameras" in the building were not actually live.--Roneman90 (talk) 03:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No matter how perposturous the whole stunt may have seemed, we need to state how it was on the show. At this point, I don't think anything about the event being fake should be put in the article should be posted until there is an investigation or something from a good source. Anyways, what I have to say is how do all the cameras lose the feed at once? I do not get it. I am the Tape! (talk) 05:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Tapeisback


 * Ok, now should the fakeness of the stunt be revealed? http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7108115&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1 anyway, I still think Mindfreak has jumped the shark. I am the Tape! (talk) 12:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)User:tapeisback:Tapeisback

Dont you know that Chriss Angel is invincible? I heard he was an alien, hes got no belly button. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.94.54.14 (talk) 03:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be about the show?
There's one (unreferenced) section, and it's about the guy. I thought this was a joke, till I checked the history. This article, as it stands, should not exist on Wikipedia. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:33, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Signature request
I have enjoyed criss angel on television, his show at Las Vegas and some of his illusions he has done outside the show. I seen his show in Vegas this past week. He asked everyone if they could donate at least a dollar for children's cancer research. I would donate an extra 200.00 if I could get criss angels signature. I would like to add it to the rest of the things I have of him. Is it possible to get it? Loyal fan Ricksgolfaddiction (talk) 21:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)