Talk:Cross Game/Archive 2

Episodes
I've seen in a couple places (apparently independent of each other) that the anime has been announced as planned for 51 episodes, but I haven't found a reliable source for this. If someone could find a Japanese source, that would be good, as it's something worth adding to the prose of the Anime section. (Not to be added without direct confirmation: given the rate of they're adapting chapters, that's almost exactly when the anime will catch up with Adachi, suggesting the manga and anime will end at about the same time.) —Quasirandom (talk) 15:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen anywhere reliable reporting that, so I agree it should be left out for now. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good call: I've also seen claims of 26, 24+, and 39. Looks like there's a lot of speculation without any firm backing. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (Deviating into pure speculation: ignoring the anomalous opening episode, the 16 episodes have covered 56 chapters -- 4.5 per. At that rate, this catches up with the manga around episode 36/chapter 160, assuming Adachi stops taking breaks. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC))
 * We're up to 21 episodes now, so if it's only 26 eps, there are only five left. I hope it goes on for a while, though. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And we haven't even done the first regional tournament arc, or introduced Akane. If it stops now, it'd have to be because it's been cut off. And my understanding is it's getting decent ratings, even if the DVD sales are soft. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to mention, they've started adding filler original stories, drawing the material out. They're definitely in it for the haul of the series. (Good stories, I might add, ones pointing up Aoba's character arc. I'd argue they consider her the protagonist more than, or at least as much as, Kō.) —Quasirandom (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * According to the Cross Game Stuff site, the final episode is No. 50.  --Towards Mars 09:24, 28 March 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Towards mars (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, and that's already mentioned in the article itself. Has been for at least a week or so. Please pay attention to date stamps on comments so you don't go replying to 6 month old comments like you did here. ^_^ ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

M. Kreb: if you're looking for something to do, you could always reference up the anime section. Especially the music, as I'm not at all certain we've captured the peak ranks of the singles. But only if you have nothing else to do. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Final episode count
I've added the final episode count based on the Newtype source. The only thing that will need to change in a couple weeks is to adjust the tense in the two prose sections discussing when the final episode (from future to past). I'll take care of that if someone doesn't beat me to it first. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

DVD releases
Has anyone seen any sign of a web page for the first DVD release? I can't get the TV Tokyo site to admit it happened -- but maybe it's through a different production company. It's about time to source the now-past "scheduled" release. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1-2 month(s) delay on Amazon.co.jp but it's officially out there. --KrebMarkt 07:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Something to keep an eye on. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Found a page from an official site to use for a reference, but apparently a second DVD has been released -- presumably they're on a monthly schedule, but can anyone find a ref for the date of the second? —Quasirandom (talk) 16:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Refs are at Amazon.co.jp vol 1 vol 2 vol 3. Facepalm that they did not update their website with DVD release info as if did not want the DVD to sell. From the blogger collecting DVDs sells on MyAnimeList, it's seems that so far the sells are very bad :( --KrebMarkt 17:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd noticed the first didn't make the top of the Oricon list, which wasn't a good sign. But there's enough there to put it as "releases are monthly" in the article. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Ending Themes
As expected, with episode 27 we get a third ending theme song: 燃えるような恋じゃないけど by 鶴, and I'm not even going to attempt to render those -- anyone with Nihongo skillz up for it? A maxisingle with it is due out on 11 November -- for which a publisher site link to come if someone doesn't get to it first. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's the Warner release info page, plus a news post. The song title rōmaji is "Moeruyō na Koi ja naikedo" (roughly, "there is no passionate/burning love"), though I'm not positive I'm spacing the particles correctly, and the band seems to be called Tsuru ("crane"). Unless someone corrects my readings, I'll add this to the main article and episode list later tonight or tomorrow. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Though There Is No Burning Love (燃えるような恋じゃないけど) would be correct. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Do we have any information about the 4th OP being released as a single? It was already released on an album prior to being used by the show, I know (though I don't have the citation to prove it). —Quasirandom (talk) 02:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have the release date of the album, that's proof enough. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not released as a single after the poor performance of the least ones. Released within an album not even in the Warner Label. see . --KrebMarkt 06:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hadn't realized it was from a non-Warner album -- interesting. The producers must have wanted it. (It is danged catchy, and thematically appropriate.) —Quasirandom (talk) 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know that we can make that call (why it wasn't released as a single). There are many theme songs which are never released as a single, especially if the song was not written specifically for the show, or if it had been out already for a while. Also, it's not uncommon for cross-label songs to be used in a show (not common either, but it happens regularly enough). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Using a ref to the anime website news page would do without entering into the details. The only fact we have to prove is that this song is the last opening theme. Big label release and charts ranking are just nice bonuses. --KrebMarkt 15:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Credits
Here's a list of the credits for the show up through episode 6:

Opening

 * Created by Adachi Mitsuru (serialized in Shogakukan's "Weekly Shōnen Sunday")
 * 企画　沢辺伸政 Planning: Nobumasa Sawabe, 中沢利洋 Toshihiro Nakazawa
 * 企画協力　都築伸一郎 Planning Liaisons: Shin'ichirō Tsuzuki, 林　正人  Masato Hayashi, 穴見　礼（テレビ東京）Rei Anami (TV Tokyo)
 * スーパーバイザー　奥野敏聡 Supervisors: Toshisato Okuno, 村　信 Makoto Ōmura, 市原武法   Takenori Ichihara
 * 案協力　竹田哲也 Initial Planning Liaison: Tetsuya Takeda
 * シリーズ構成　土屋理敬 Series Coordinator: Michihiro Tsuchiya
 * メインキャラクターデザイン　近藤優次 Main Character Design: Yūji Kondō
 * 美術デザイン　高橋麻穂 Background Design: Maho Takahashi
 * サブキャラクターデザイン　松本朋之 Subcharacter Design: Tomoyuki Matsumoto
 * プロップデザイン　今野幸一 Prop Design: Kōichi Konno
 * 美術監督　椋本　豊 Art Director: Yutaka Mukumoto
 * 色彩設計　大野嘉代子 Color Design: Kayoko Ōno
 * 撮影監督　坪内弘樹 Director of Photography: Hiroki Tsubonouchi
 * 編集　小峰博美 Editor: Hiromi Komine
 * 音響監督　高寺たけし Audio Director: Takeshi Takadera
 * 音響制作　HALF H・P STUDIO Audio Production: Half H-P Studio
 * 音楽プロデューサー　田中統英 Audio Producers: Nobuhide Tanaka, 黒岩利之 Toshiyuki Kuroiwa
 * 音楽　中川幸太郎 Music: Kōtarō Nakagawa
 * オープニングテーマ Opening Theme 「Summer Rain」
 * コブクロ Kobukuro
 * 作詞／作曲：小渕健太郎　Lyrics/Composer: Kentarō Kobuchi
 * 編曲：コブクロ Arrangement: Kobukuro
 * （ワーナーミュージック・ジャパン） (Warner Music Japan)
 * 音楽協力　テレビ東京ミュージック Music Co-production: TV Tokyo Music, ワーナーミュージック・ジャパン Warner Music Japan, 小学館ミュージック＆デジタルエンタテインメント Shogakukan Music & Digital Entertainment
 * アニメーションプロデューサー　桜井涼介 Animation Producer: Ryōsuke Sakurai
 * アニメーション制作　Synergy SP Animation Production: Synergy SP
 * プロデューサー 青木俊志（テレビ東京） Producers: Shunji Aoki (TV Tokyo), 古市直彦 Naohiko Furuchi
 * 監督　関田修 Director: Osamu Sekita
 * 製作　TV Tokyo 7ch デジタル　Production: TV Tokyo 7ch Digital, 小学館集英社プロダクション Shogakukan-Shueisha Production

Ending
This isn't all of the ending credits as there are just way too many to go through. These are the ones I think are the most important ones.


 * 脚本　Script: 土屋理敬 Michihiro Tsuchiya, 白根秀樹 Hideki Shirane, 未永光代 Mitsuyo Suenaga, 福田裕子 Yūko Fukuda
 * 絵コンテ　Storyboards: こでらかつゆき Katsuyuki Kodera, 藤本義孝 Yoshitaka Fujimoto, 福田道生 Michio Fukuda, 川口敬一郎 Keichirō Kawaguchi
 * 演出　Director: 関田　修 Osamu Sekita, 鈴木孝聡 Takatoshi Suzuki, 緒方隆秀 Takahide Ogata, 藤本義孝 Yoshitaka Fujimoto, 川口敬一郎 Keichirō Kawaguchi
 * 総作画監督　General Animation Director: 小丸敏之 Toshiyuki Komaru, 藤崎賢二 Kenji Fujisaki, 小丸敏之 Toshiyuki Komaru
 * 作画監督　Animation Director: 宍戸久美子 Kumiko Shishido, 松木朋之 Tomoyuki Matsumoto, 田辺謙司 Kenji Tanabe, 徳田夢乃介 Yunosuke Tokuda, 近藤優次 Yūji Kondō
 * Ending Theme "Heartfelt Dream" (恋焦がれて見た夢 Koikogaretemita Yume)
 * Vocals: Ayaka
 * Lyricist / Composer: Ayaka
 * Arrangement: Shintarō Tokita (from Sukima Switch)
 * (Warner Music Japan)
 * Animation Production: Synergy SP
 * Animation Co-production: StudioAD, Asahi Production, Studio Zaendō
 * Production: Tsukishima Batting Center (Cross Game Production Committee)

キャスト Cast
 * 樹多村光　入野自由 Kō Kitamura: Miyu Irino
 * 月島青葉　戸松遥 Aoba Tsukishima: Haruka Tomatsu
 * 月島若葉　神田朱未 Wakaba Tsukishima: Akemi Kanda
 * 月島一葉　豊口めぐみ Ichiyō Tsukishima: Megumi Toyoguchi
 * 月島紅葉　下屋則子 Momiji Tsukishima: Noriko Shitaya
 * 月島清次　川津泰彦 Seiji Tsukishima: Yasuhiko Kawazu
 * 樹多村健作　鈴木琢磨 Kensaku Kitamura: Takuma Suzuki
 * 樹多村君江　水上恭子 Kimie Kitamura: Kyōko Mizugami
 * 赤石 修 乃村健次 Osamu Akaishi: Kenji Nomura
 * 中西大気　園部好徳 Daiki Nakanishi: Yoshinori Sonobe
 * 千田圭一郎　岸尾だいすけ Keiichirō Senda: Daisuke Kishio
 * 林　鈴木恭輔 Hayashi: Kyōsuke Suzuki
 * ノモ　野沢雅子 Nomo: Masako Nozawa
 * 前野千太郎　稲葉　実 Sentarō Maeno: Minoru Inaba
 * 大門秀悟　吉澤　徹 Shugo Daimon: Tōru Furusawa
 * 志堂英太郎　斉藤次郎 Eitaro Shidō: Jirō Saitō
 * 巻原　遠藤大輔 Makihara: Daisuke Endō
 * 関口　堂坂晃三 Sekiguchi: Kōzō Dōzaka
 * 常木　鈴木恭輔 Tsuneki: Kyōsuke Suzuki
 * 東 雄平　櫻井孝宏 Yūhei Azuma: Takahiro Sakurai
 * 女子学生 Female students: 須藤絵里花 Erika Sudō, 亀岡真美 Mami Kameoka

Let me know which ones you think should be added, and I'll add them. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I don't have much experience with this sort of thing, but I suspect that the most important staff would be Director, main character designor, director of photography, and music. Oh, and that it's a production of TV Tokyo in collaboration with Shogakukan-Shueisha Production, with animation produced by Synergy SP. Q: Isn't episode director a possible field in the episode template?


 * Question: Are episodes credits acceptable as RS for verifying seiyu cast ? If so that would solve any support cast seiyu listing issue --KrebMarkt 21:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, though finding them listed in a magazine or something is better. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Soundtracks
OP single: Summer rain by Kobukuro released 15 April 2009.
 * Normal Ed
 * Limited Ed
 * Peak rank 2, weeks in charts 4.

ED single: Koikogarete Mita Yume by Ayaka released 22 April 2009.
 * Version1
 * Version2
 * I can't figure out which one is the normal and which is the limited/special Ed.
 * Peak rank 6, weeks in charts 3.

--KrebMarkt 09:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Version 2 is the limited edition. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * 通常盤 = "Normal edition" —Quasirandom (talk) 15:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry Sorry to be so inept in Japanese. The singles peak rank are surprising good. --KrebMarkt 16:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Good pop songs from a popular franchise with strong media machines behind them. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Here's the Oricon listing for the second ED -- looks like it hasn't charted yet, but I don't think the first reporting cycle is in. Something to watch. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So did this ever chart? —Quasirandom (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rank 100th number of weeks 2. --KrebMarkt 21:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Woo ... hoo ... ? That's pretty much a complete non-hit there, enough so I'm not sure it warrants mention. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Potted summary
The story summary in the lead has been bothering me for a bit -- it describes the initial premise of volume one, ignoring the story after that prologue. Here's what I quickly drafted for the lead of List of Cross Game chapters:


 * The series is about high school baseball players Kō Kitamura and Aoba Tsukishima, who are bound together by Kō's relationship with Aoba's dead sister, Wakaba, and their efforts to fulfill Wakaba's last dream of seeing them play in the national tournament in Kōshien.

This is, of course, too brief. So, inviting collaboration here on finding a middle ground. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Rewrite attempted in the lead. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Setting
Removed this statement about the from the main article for the moment, till we can find a better source:


 * The series is set in Mifujidai, a fictional town based on Nukui 3-chōme in Nerima, Tokyo, and the fictional Mifujidai Station is based on Fujimidai Station on the Seibu Ikebukuro Line. 

A comparison of the series to the station shows it's patently obvious, but it still needs a reliable source. Ah well. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Archive references
I recommend going through all the references and archiving them using a site like WebCite. This will make things better for any further peer reviews or FA reviews. I'll start at the top, so if someone else wants to start in one of the other sections, that would be great. Just add | archiveurl = | archivedate =  to the citation. Note that this only works with online citations, so only with cite web. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Not a bad idea. I'll see if I can get started later. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Just pointing this out again. I'm going to do this on the list of manga chapters page, so if someone wants to make sure all of these are done, that would be awesome. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Semantics
"Scrimmage" and "exhibition game" are the same thing. A scrimmage/exhibition game can be held between two teams (which these really are, if you look at it: the real team, and the prefab team), or between two parts of the same team. This happens all the time with college and high school sports teams (a local college football team, for example, regularly holds first string vs. second string games which are free and open to the public). This mincing of words and insisting on linking to a disambiguation page is not beneficial. If anything, the exhibition game article should be updated to make it more clear. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * In fact, I've done just that: the exhibition game article is now more clear about that. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Eh. Sorry, you're right. I was in a cranky mood yesterday. Adjusting the exhibition game article was indeed the right solution. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. I was wondering since you seemed to act a little different than is usual for you. Perhaps a good night's rest did you well. :) ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Stepping away from the flamewars did more. Even if someone was being wrong on the internets. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)