Talk:Crossover jazz

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I don't know if much can be added to this article as 'Crossover' artists tend to be a fairly diverse group.Many of the artists named have tended to go the way of Smooth Jazz and the term 'Crossover ' is largely redundant now Paul210 16:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

List issues
Wes Montgomery died in 1968 :/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.114.8 (talk) 00:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

This list focuses on performers of the 2000s. What of performers of the 1950s to 1970s? Dogru144 (talk) 14:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Wes
It is almost disrespectful to include Wes Montgomery with these other "musicians." (Mind meal (talk) 20:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC))

Article issues
Broadly defined, "crossover jazz" is jazz that appeals to those outside the jazz audience; see also Crossover (music). This article currently specifies it as something akin to jazz fusion and/or smooth jazz. Fusion and smooth jazz can be (or are) crossover jazz, but they are not the only examples. Furthermore it goes on to say that crossover jazz is a fusion between jazz and some other kind of music, which isn't necessarily the case: it doesn't have to be any kind of fusion, it just have to have appeal outside of jazz circles. In other words, "crossover" isn't a "style" of jazz, but rather a description of its impact. Someone had cited the All Music Guide to indicate that Earl Klugh is a crossover jazz artist, but the book doesn't actually specify this (though the assertion may be correct). The book does, however, describe other artists as "crossover jazz" and many of them have little or nothing to do with smooth jazz. (I have updated the article to cite these individuals.) Thus, this article shouldn't define it as an offshoot of jazz fusion, or somehow parallel to smooth jazz, and in any case it doesn't provide any source for this description. Also note that while the All Music Guide does describe some artists as "crossover jazz" it does not actually define what that means. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * For the time being I am leaving http://books.google.com/books?id=6giucunGumUC&lpg=PA277&dq=%22crossover%20jazz%22&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q&f=false as one possible resource. Also, A Century of Jazz: A Hundred Years of the Greatest Music Ever Made (ISBN 0-681-03179-4) goes into this subject, describing the pop success of (for example) At the Pershing: But Not for Me. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 20:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I've just reverted a couple of edits to the article, in part for the same issue that I've described in my previous comments. The editor describes crossover jazz as a type of fusion and/or parallel to smooth jazz. I've explained above why this usage is problematic. However, the editor's cited source doesn't actually mention the phrase "crossover jazz". In addition to these concerns, the editor wrote "Jazz music is traced back as early as the 1700's." The cited source actually specifies that "the roots of jazz" (my emphasis) can be traced back to this time period. (I think it's analogous to saying the automobile is traced back to the Neolithic era, while only the wheel itself dates back to that time.) But in any case, the history of jazz is already covered by the main jazz article, and with more reliable sources. Finally, please see MOS:NOTED regarding verbiage such as "it is important to understand…" Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * October 2015 update
 * Maybe this isn't a notable topic.

Deletion
Does anyone have any thoughts on deleting this article? I doubt there is anything in the name crossover jazz that doesn't get covered in articles about other genres. Crossover jazz is more a description of chart activity and sales than a description of inherent musical characteristics which differ from other genres. Vmavanti (talk) 22:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)