Talk:Crown of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother/Archive 1

Picture?
Why is the picture that of Queen Elizabeth's funeral procession, but the article is that of her crown? -- YiS, Jediwanna   be  06:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you open the image to full size, you can see the crown (barely) atop the the casket at its center (or centre, since it's a British crown). Chris the speller (talk) 03:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It is still not a good pucture- Can we not find a better, free picture?

IceDragon64 (talk) 16:57, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Koh-i-Noor
The Koh-i-Noor is described as 'stolen', which is a politically-charged term concealing a complex period of British Empire history. Either the reference to the stone's acquisition should be removed, or a slightly more detailed sentence needs to refer to the war which ended in its changing ownership. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.1.252 (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

First line
, the first sentence of this article needs to include the words "the Queen Mother" in some form. Every other source available uses those words in the opening (and/or the title).
 * "Crown of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother"
 * "Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother's Crown"

We should make it easier for people to understand.

I am not going to return to this page because you have reverted me twice without any attempt to be constructive. That aggressive behaviour has put me off helping here, so you can fix it now.

Oncenawhile (talk) 08:04, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't feel that there is anything to fix, and you did not give the reasons you have given here as to why "The Queen Mother" needed to be added. If we are to follow the usage of the royal sites, we should probably rename the article. To me, the crown has more to do with her role as queen consort, and thus "the queen", or Queen Elizabeth, after which she never wore it as a crown. The fact that this person is QEtQM is made clear by the linked-to article, so, if there is confusion, it shouldn't be for long. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Your view is logical, but your own view or my own view are both materially less relevant than that of the Royal websites. Oncenawhile (talk) 12:29, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


 * As an editor, my view is more relevant than that of the royal websites, assuming that those maintaining the sites aren't themselves editors, and especially to the extent that my view is in line with Wikipedia policy and consensus. This has not been an issue in the article, at least in my year or so of active editing and watching; and to define Q. Elizabeth in terms of her daughter is unlikely to be long-lived, and is unusual encyclopedic practice, as my Britannica, published in the present reign, omits any reference to the elder Elizabeth as the queen mother. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:11, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It is rightly called the Crown of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother or Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother's Crown to avoid confusion with Elizabeth II. All official and reliable websites refer to it by these names, or simply as The Queen Mother's Crown. Only WP:USERGENERATED blogs and fan sites that have obviously taken their cues from Wikipedia seem to call it 'Queen Elizabeth's Crown'. I propose renaming this article to 'Crown of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother' as per WP:COMMONNAME, which states, "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article." In our case, the official name of the crown is the one most frequently used to refer to the subject in reliable sources. For example:


 * Twining (1960). A History of the Crown Jewels of Europe
 * Barker (1979). The Symbols of Sovereignty
 * Singh (1985). History of Koh-i-Noor, Darya-i-Noor, and Taimur's Ruby
 * Clark (1986). Symbols of Excellence: Precious Materials as Expressions of Status
 * Butler (1989). The Crown Jewels and Coronation Ceremony
 * Allison; Riddell (1991). The Royal Encyclopedia
 * Mears; Thurley; Murphy (1994). The Crown Jewels
 * Harlow (1998). The Nature of Diamonds
 * Keay (2012). The Crown Jewels: The Official Illustrated History
 * British Empire finds diamonds are not forever (16 May 2000) at The Independent
 * Priceless gem in Queen Mother's crown (4 Apr 2002) at BBC News
 * Indian ire at Queen Mother's funeral (27 Apr 2002) at The Guardian
 * UK spruces up Crown Jewels for jubilee, Olympics (28 Mar 2012) at Reuters
 * From the archive: The monarch and her money (28 Jan 2014) at Tatler
 * Queen Elizabeth II may face legal challenge for the famous Koh-i-noor diamond (9 Nov 2015) at Huffington Post
 * The Crown Jewels: Famous diamonds at Historic Royal Palaces
 * Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother's Crown at the National Gallery of Victoria
 * Firebrace (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Firebrace, I agree with you. You said it better than I did. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:59, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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Use of crown after the 1937 Coronation
Some correction and clarity is required in terms of the use of this crown after the 1937 Coronation.

Principally, the full crown was worn only the once, on 12 May 1937. After that, Queen Elizabeth used it on multiple occasions in circlet form, that is without the arches, such as several, but not all, State Openings of Parliament by King George VI. It was also worn during the 1938 State Visit to Paris and the French State Visit to the UK in 1960. Of course, it also appeared at the 1953 Coronation.

As is well known, a precedent was set when the crown (in its full form) was placed on top of the coffin during the 2002 obsequies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.220.56 (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can say a precedent ("an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances") was set, given that it has never happened again since... Firebrace (talk) 15:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)