Talk:Crumb Duck

I nuked most of the article text because most of it appeared unsourced and looked like original research. It was well-written, however, so I encourage whoever wrote it to restore it if they can provide comprehensive sources for the facts and opinions therein. - Merzbow 03:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, you removed plenty of material that WAS sourced - the release information was drawn from the NWW page at Brainwashed that was given as a reference and the edition number of The Wire in which Gane explained the circumstances of the collaboration was given as well - just because the full text of a source isn't available at the flick of a GoogleSwitch doesn't make it unverifiable or OR. I don't understand why you removed the material about the subsequent releases of the music, especially as the version you left behind was incomplete, something the Brainwashed link would have shown you had you checked it. I've rationalised aspects of the text as I do have a tendancy to be too journalistic at times but certain self-evident sections (ie the use of backwards voices, Stapleton's tape-edits, the use of material from "Jenny Ondioline") have been left as these are permissable. Ac@osr 21:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, your first version didn't provide any sources (aside from the Wire for parts of that one paragraph), so please AGF; quite often something this well-written but unsourced on Wikipedia is a copyvio, so I erred on the side of caution. My only remaining question is about "The subtitle is a quotation from the lyrics of the first album by German group Faust" - are you sure, perhaps both groups got this phrase from some earlier source? - Merzbow 22:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The phrase is very distinctive and both NWW and Stereolab have cited Faust as an influence (a shortcut citation would be paragraph 7 of this article by Douglas Wolk ) so it is unthinkable that this would be coincidence. However, I'm not sufficiently bothered to pursue this further. Ac@osr 20:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I added inline refs for everything and reformatted to MoS. I also reworded the "Faust" sentence more carefully. The only thing left is to source this sentence: "A vinyl edition of this expanded reissue was made available also but the release went out of print when NWW's distributor went out of business." (If this or the original version of the "Faust" sentence is supported by the Wire article, that's fine.) - Merzbow 05:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Internal link to the article on WSD's bankruptcy added. Wikipedia sometimes answers its own questions. Ac@osr 20:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)