Talk:Crusading movement

Rewrite & copy edit
In consideration of the WP:Copyright concerns I commit to rewriting and copy editing this article to ensure that I have not introduced any copyright violations or close paraphrasing. I will take 's kind advice to understand WP:close paraphrasing. I am away on holiday today but will pick this up on my return. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 06:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Started here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crusading_movement&diff=prev&oldid=1221702048, will work down section by section and then lead.........when I return from holiday.
 * All feedback welcome — Norfolkbigfish (talk) 15:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that you do this in userspace ; we have established that you don't really understand how plagiarism works, so perhaps better to avoid any chance of adding it to mainspace. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I can certainly do that @AirshipJungleman29, just trying to demonstrate I am showing willing. If the patience is there? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Norfolkbigfish, it is moderately concerning that you seem to exclusively prefer describing the issue as "suspicion of copyvio". Far be it from me to want to scold peoples' language choices for sport. To be crystal clear, this is solely an abstract rhetorical point and not a reflection of anything that could happen or I would want to happen—but if your article had been published in a print encyclopedia, there would have been legal consequences over your infringement of the copyright of others. This is simply the case, and it is incontrovertibly so: I say it with the highest certainly one can have about theoretical events. It would be nice to continue moving on, and being plain about the situation can only help with that. Remsense  诉  14:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy to tag these series of edits something else @Remsense Norfolkbigfish (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Major features
The first four paragraphs of this section have been rewritten to avoid any suspicion of plagaraism or close paraphrasing. These act as as introduction and flow into the later sections, touching as they do on the various reform movements of the 11th-century. As Morris writes it is difficult to distinguish between them. Sourcing has been checked and ammended where required. Nothing contained here is contentious or would trouble academics working in the area. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The term the church is not a proper noun so isn't capitalised. If it good enough for Morris is should be good enough for this article. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 08:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Be consequent. You also used the capitalised form in the same section, so I also modified these cases. I think in context "Church" should be used, but I can accept your version.
 * There are still unverified statements in the article. Borsoka (talk) 01:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * On that basis and for consistency I have decapped all uses of the church in the article. It is British English, it is not a proper noun and as Morris is an academic church historian—if it is good enough for him, it should be good enough for us. The statements are verified, but will look to address the tagging later. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 08:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Penance and indulgence
This section has been rewritten to remove suspicion of copyvio. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 13:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Christianity and war
This section has been rewritten to remove suspicion of copyvio. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 16:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Knights, chivalry and the military orders
This section has been rewritten to remove suspicion of copyvio. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Common people
This section has been rewritten to remove suspicion of copyvio. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 22:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Perception of Muslims
This section has been rewritten to remove suspicion of copyvio. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

History
The introduction to this section has been rewritten to remove any suspicion of copyvio. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 15:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

12th century
As above. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 16:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

13th century
As above. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 12:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

The 13th century has now been completly copyedited. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 14:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Propaganda
As above, and title removed. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 08:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Instituitional reform
As above, and title removed. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 16:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Popular crusades
As above. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 14:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Early century
See above Norfolkbigfish (talk) 12:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Criticism
See above. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Later century
As above. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 14:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

14th century
This section has been rewritten to remove suspicion of copyvio. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 15:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Legacy
This section has been rewritten to remove suspicion of copyvio.Norfolkbigfish (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Historiography
Started Norfolkbigfish (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Or rather Historiography started Norfolkbigfish (talk) 15:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This section has been rewritten to remove suspicion of copyvio. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 17:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

The Crusades: An Encyclopedia
Despite being WP:RS, the use of this as a source has provoked some criticism. In addition the use of a concisely written source has raised the risk of copyvio and close paraphrasing. All usage of this has therefore been removed from the article, the text supported either removed or rewritten and cited to a different source. Hopefully this removes any contention. If not, all feedback is welcome. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 17:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)