Talk:Crusties

Image
How about this for an image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tupwanders/4708583821/ Surf Dog (talk) 01:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Better than nothing. The two in the middle are fairly crusty, although a bit too monochrome. No olive drab or camo? More like metallers than crusties. The outer two don't really do it. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Great pic IMHO. Great photo album too! Silverwood (talk) 10:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Gutter punk
Gutter punks and crusties are the same. Surf Dog (talk) 03:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I would disagree. If you follow up the references on the Crusties page they take you to some academic sociology texts on crusties as a distinct UK subculture. The pages should not be merged Silverwood (talk) 20:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

They are similar, but not the same thing. Gutter punks may or may not be political or have political motivations, while Crusties almost always adhere to extreme left wing politics. Gutter punks are more similar to street punks. They just smell worse. (UTC)

New Age Travellers

 * ''The following discussions are an archived debate. Please do not modify it.

Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I don't think there is any pressing need to merge this article with New Age Travellers. They are possibly linked in the way that rock doves and urban pigeons are linked and perhaps I am muddying the waters by relying on an academic text that is primarily about travellers but they are two different subcultures. The text here would not add anything meaningful to the New Age Traveller article but I will put up links on both pages if that helps.

Please discuss if you want to merge this article with Crust-punk, as I think there is an agreement now to keep them seperate. They are different terms and can be used entirely without reference to each other. I was a crusty for years and crust-punk was neither a term in use nor a genre of music listened to. Bands like RDF or music like Hardcore Techno was far more prevalent. The punk that was part of the scene was not limited to the type of punk meant by the term crust-punk. This is personal opinion of course and anyone with proper references to support otherwise should not be deterred. Silverwood (talk) 12:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Overhaul
I've done some overhauling here, removing POV stuff and original research. I've tried to keep as much to the original text as possible as I realise that people have put time and effort into their contributions but to be honest a lot of it had to go to comply with prevailing standards. Most of the text I've added is referenced to just one particular book and this lends something of a UK-bias to the page but it is from a proper ethnography and does tally with my own experiences of being a soap-dodging crusty for many years. Also I feel this sub-movement is quite distinct from crust-punk so I hope we keep the seperation going. Silverwood (talk) 16:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * While both subcultures espouse similar beliefs and habits, the Travelers pages talks more about jam-band festival followers than the crust punk/metal scene which are distinctly different. Furthermore, though "crusty" is accepted as preexisting crust punk, the two terms have become almost synonymous in my experience -- we usually refer to the hippie type as "wookies" rather than "crusties" -- adding yet another layer to the subject. Since crusties and hippies often overlap, pinning down a definition to such an amorphous culture is difficult, and to make things more complicated, crusties seem to love traveling as much as New Age Travelers. So far as I can tell (I study subcultures and was at a crust punk show two days ago) the difference between the two is in shades of gray: musical preferences and political beliefs. I propose to make mention of hippies on the Crusties page and discuss crusty traveling habits on the New Age Travelers page. In fact, I might actually do that today. Why are cultural studies so complex? (January 10, 2011) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.118.245 (talk) 19:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Related articles
I have removed the deletion request and the previous request to merge this with Crust-punk as they are quite distinct and different things. Crusty/crusties predate crust-punk by at least a decade. If someone can come up with an academic reference or similar to support their claim to the contrary then go ahead and revert. The page is still a mess, though, and needs more than one good reference to do the subject justice. Silverwood (talk) 13:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to harmonize and integrate this with other, similar articles, like crusty. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 23:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I was just about to leave a message saying the same thing. I think this page more better describes crusties than Crusty which mainly describes only English crusties involved in bands. It's a broad term and hard to pin down. - Pockets23 23:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

It seams to me that this page is useless as it is already covered in the crust punk page, as well as it have many errors and inconsistancies. For example I know A LOT of sXe Crust kids (including myself) and find a common attitude of "druk punks are wasting their life" cvoming from the crust scene... Even crustys that dring seam to often feal this way. On the other had we have bands like Leftover crack. I would suggest that the crust scene is almost even in alcohol and drug use as it is in non use. Also the main points of crustys is to do with anarchistic ethics and the music and DIY. None of these are even mentioned... "crustys are people that don't live like every one else" or what ever the exact statement was is a retarded overgeneralization, that could include any one from hippies to punks, to monks or indigenouse people in south america. It sais nothing of the culture. I think this articasl should be deleted. 24.68.232.96 10:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

so you get electricity in that buidling to run your comp off of —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.174.3.82 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyone have a problem with me removing the "it's a britsh thing" from the article? The casualties have mentioned crusties, I'm sure it's not just us limeys. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.195.244.67 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure crusties aren't known for their love of toffees and crisps, so i'm taking it off. OblivionSoul327 2:03, 6 July 2007

My take on this...
Just merging this piece about Crusties with New Age Travellers is missing the point, as neither article, in my opinion, really does proper justice to its subject-matter. Many Travellers still object to being labelled 'New Age', which has inevitable connotations of fluffy-bunny, hi-vibe pretentiousness which are anathema to the whole concept of being a Crusty.

'New Age Travellers' was a term devised to help explain why thousands of ordinary people, who are not obviously 'ethnic', have adopted a nomadic habit of life from the 1980s onwards, because the various legal systems of the UK have problems understanding and defining their status, under the various bits of legislation which exist to protect and/or regulate their activities. Many prefer to be referred to simply as 'New Travellers'.

This is to say nothing of 'Upper-Crusties', 'Crusty Trusties' and 'Orbitals', terms which respectively refer to upper-class drop-outs, with private sources of income derived (in popular imagination) from family Trusts, or Travellers who 'orbit' a circuit of sites in a specific area, and don't do much travelling at all if they can help it!

I think I am in broad agreement with Silverwood on this one.

g88keeper (talk) 03:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Semi Protection Request
I have requested that this page be semi-protected. This puts some restrictions on unregistered IPs making changes to the page. There has been persistent vandalism. This page is being used for cyber-bullying. Vandals (I presume it is school children) keep putting their friends names up as the definition of crusty.

The page is not very detailed or important so it is not urgent but the vandalism is so persistent I think we ought to remove the temptation for casual bullying. There have been no cases of registered users doing the vandalism. There have been no cases of unregistered IPs making any useful contribution to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverwood (talk • contribs) 13:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)