Talk:Crypsis

Hiding
There are a couple of issues that I've just become aware of. Firstly, the page hiding is a disambiguation. There seems nowhere else to link, so should hiding be covered here instead? Secondly, there is no mention of organisms hiding their property - e.g. squirrels and birds hiding seeds, or dogs burying bones. Is this a form of crypsis? Richard001 07:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Why
"For animals whose existence is in doubt"

1. That description is not very good wording

2. That is clearly a skeptical POV, which should not be here because it basically says that cryptids aren't real, which isn't neutral. People keep editing out my changes which makes it so the description is "for animals reported to exist but have not yet been proven" and I'd like to know why. Elasmosaurus (talk) 00:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's only one person who has reverted your edits, so you can ask him directly if you want. To me your version seems to somewhat suggest that their existence probably will be proven in the future. There's nothing wrong with skepticism, especially about things that are highly unlikely like the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


 * Your user page makes it clear that you've come here to force your POV on articles, and your statement "I'm sick of doubt of the existence of what could be exciting new animals" reeks of wishful thinking (wouldn't it be great if these mythological animals were true? Well then, they must be true!) or some other form of reasoning off the rails. Skeptics keep an open mind as well, they just try not to let their brain fall out. Richard001 (talk) 08:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course the flying speghetti monseter isn't real. I was only referring to creatures that could actually exist / have likely characteristics (e. g. Champ or Bigfoot) and not urban legend creatures like Mothman, Owlman, Springheel Jack, etc. Because "Animals whose existence is in doubt" must mean that all cryptid's existence is in doubt, which is heavily untrue. (Even the most hardened skeptics admit tht at least A FEW cryptids are real) In fact I'm happy with the way the article is now ("animals whose existence has not been demonstrated".

And this is not only my POV; but it is the POV of the cryptozoologists. Elasmosaurus (talk) 00:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Relationship to predation
Crypsis is presented here in prose and category as being part of predation alone. What about avoiding detection from other threats like males of the same species (some female insects mimic males to avoid being harrassed). Richard001 (talk) 04:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

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Where's Waldo?
Completely invisible to me. Am I looking in the wrong place? What color is the frog? Am I looking for a froglet? Help!--Wetman (talk) 23:26, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Start at the top of the main stick. Now note a smaller darker stick that is just to the left and kind of under that stick.  Take the intersection of those two stick and travel directly to the left.  You will hit the frog's nose.  The frog is sitting on the left edge of the large ash-colored leaf.  --Aranae (talk) 23:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

It would probably be very helpful to many potential viewers of the photo if another copy of the image were included that had the frog circled or highlighted in some way so that it would be clear where it was. 184.91.135.66 (talk) 21:49, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Crypsis, cryptic coloration, homochromy

 * cryptic coloration (crypsis) Coloration that makes animals difficult to distinguish against their background, so tending to reduce predation. The effect of cryptic coloration may be to cause the appearance of the animal to merge into its background (e.g. the absence of all colour in some pelagic fish larvae) or to breakup the body outline (e.g. the spotted patterns of many bottom-dwelling flatfish). Both effects often occur in the same animal. (Michael Allaby. A Dictionary of Zoology. Oxford University Press).
 * crypsis, camouflage by imitating certain environmental background features (The Torre-Bueno Glossary of Entomology)
 * procrypsis, concealment from predators (The Torre-Bueno Glossary of Entomology)
 * anticrypsis, concealing coloration and behavior (crypsis) enabling a predator to apprach its prey unobserved, or, more usually, allowing the prey to approach the predator without seeing it. (The Torre-Bueno Glossary of Entomology)
 * homochromy, change of color to resemble the environment (The Torre-Bueno Glossary of Entomology)
 * eucrypsis, camouflage in which the organism blends into a general undefined background (Animal Behavior Desk Reference: A Dictionary of Animal Behavior, Ecology, and Evolution)
 * See also: Pasteur, Georges. "A classification review of mimicry systems." Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics (1982): 169-199.
 * Pierre Jolivet. Interrelationship Between Insects and Plants
 * Carl B. Huffaker. Ecological Entomology --Danvasilis (talk) 20:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Your point is? I removed 'homochromy' as not being a synonym of crypsis, and your definitions agree with that. Cryptic coloration, for example, is the visual form of crypsis (as the article states), and as your definitions also agree; crypsis is (to spell things out) not only visual. Therefore, cryptic coloration is not a synonym either, we can remove it if you like, but it constitutes a large if undefined percentage of crypsis. If it were a synonym, then we could replace the article with a redirect to Camouflage. Since it isn't, we can't, and it won't do to go on about "concealing coloration" and "camouflage" as if that exhausted the topic: it doesn't. (As an aside: very few encyclopedia articles can be based with any success on dictionary definitions, and this isn't an exception.) Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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"Effects" section lacks references
Can we find any support for this? The text certainly seems reasonable and to express a WP:NPOV, but it could still be WP:OR. User:Chiswick Chap, any thoughts on good sources? yoyo (talk) 04:04, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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