Talk:Crypto-fascism

Gore Vidal's characterization of William F. Buckley Jr. during their now-famous debate at the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

William F. Buckley's response to the term was, "Now, listen you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in the goddamn face, and you'll stay plastered."

To which Vidal replied, in a tone of mock-romance, "Oh, Bill!"\


 * All that is well and good, but Buckley's response to being called a crypto-nazi is irrelevant.

Source: http://www.columbia.edu/~tdk3/vidalesquire69.html - Quoted in Esquire Magazine, September, 1969 - Primalchaos

Posted my research to soon. An actual sound file of him saying this is available online : http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/debates.html - Primalchaos

Can we add something about this definition of cryptofa in the article - http://www.last.fm/group/Crypto-Fascists/forum/48530/_/262698 .:Stirb Nicht Vor Mir:. 07:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The musical movement 'cryptofascism' or 'cryptofa' is probably worthy of its own separate article, rather than being conflated with the serious political science term.--Primal Chaos 02:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Why on earth are the Neoconservatives named in this article? Is this Wikipedia or Wingnuttipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.149.180 (talk) 03:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term crypto-facist was used as early as 1937 (in the entry for "crypto-"). In general, "crypto-" can be used as a prefix to just about anything, and means "hidden" or "disguised". The entire slant of this article seems to be based on one example of the term's usage. If "Crypto-facism" (with a Capital C) is some particular political movement or party, it's description should be separated from the definition of the English word crypto-facism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.97.15.226 (talk) 18:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Orson Welles appears to casually refer to William Randolph Hurst as a "crypto-fascist figure" in an interview with the BBC, about 2 minutes into this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYazeJA-Oo
 * This pre-dates this article's references to the 1968 Democratic National Convention, Theodor W. Adorno's Der getreue Korrepetitor, and Heinrich Böll's 1972 essay. "Will Ulrike Gnade oder freies Geleit?"
 * I did not post the video to Youtube, I came across it and was surprised to hear Welles make this reference without providing or being asked for an explanation/clarification in 1960, which suggests this was a term the BBC interviewer was familiar with, and Welles anticipated the audience would also be familiar with. 72.95.46.39 (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Why has this article been simmered down so much?
The article used to be over 3x as big with a lot more information in it, and since then has been gradually reduced in size to a stub. Why. Roidroid (talk) 04:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * PEJORATIVE?WHY?I´M A NATIONAL SOCIALIST AND WITH VERY PRIDE!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.198.168.169 (talk) 10:02, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * 'simmer down now' omg skakEL 16:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

crypto-anarchism
as described at the crypto-anarchism article, cryotoanarchism may not be a good 'related'/ see also item. anyone wanna jump in on that? skakEL 16:01, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I came to the exact same conclusion as I was reading this article. Cryto-anarchism does not pertain to the secretive adherence to a belief-system, as opposed to (afaik) the other terms in the list. - dreamer 20:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Gmarmstrong (talk) 07:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

See Also, alt right removal
, I removed the link to the Alt Right that you had added. Based on the current Wiki definition for Alt-Right, they come off sounding more like a Nationalist group with racial undertones. I don't see the link between that and this article on fascism.

If there's a link in that Crypto-fascists are prone to be racist, or whatever the Alt-Right is being held accountable for, please provide reference.

Honestly, the term Alt-Right is still very murky and undefined at the moment, it might be best to avoid that article until a definite set of characteristics can be defined.Sawta (talk) 12:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The Alt-Right isn't real. They are a boogeyman forced into people's heads, created by controlled opposition. Furthermore the entire premise of "crypto" anything is a symptom of political schizophrenia. No one is afraid to say what they really think, and if they are, they are nothing more than cowards and have no effect on the real world. So why bother with all the sophistry? 206.71.220.106 (talk) 22:27, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Discrepancy in the date given for Adorno's book
In the main text, it is written that Adorno's book Der getreue Korrepetitor (The Faithful Répétiteur) was from "five years earlier" than the debate between Vidal and Buckley which was in 1968. In the footnotes, however, the citation gives the date of 1976 for the book. 50.110.4.82 (talk) 21:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The cited book "Gesammelte Schriften in zwanzig Bänden: Band 15: Komposition für den Film. Der getreue Korrepetitor" seems to be reprint and part of a series or part of a collection. An earlier edition seems to be published in 1963, see https://openlibrary.org/books/OL6002502M/Der_getreue_Korrepetitor and https://d-nb.info/450027643 (I do not have this book at hand). This earlier edition fits "five years". I do not know whether 1947 of https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8521208-komposition-f-r-den-film-der-getreue-korrepetitor and https://search.worldcat.org/en/title/504269928 is a typo or not, so the book might be even older. Natsuhata (talk) 23:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)