Talk:Crystal (Cirque du Soleil)

Factual information deleted from the Crystal show article
The history of a touring show is not available form any sources other than wikipedia. Show promoters typically do now want this information to be publicly available. The wikipedia community keeping this page updated using only the current published ticket dates is the only way to keep this information available to the public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.36.116 (talk) 00:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, I would like to know the reason of deleting uncontroversial factual information about the Cirque du Soleil show Crystal(basic general information, show dates, show's creative team).

Due to issues we have been previously having with the Volta show, and to your suggestion, I asked the question on the Wikipedia Teahouse, and this was the answer I got:


 * "Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what the subject of an article, or anybody closely associated with the subject, says about the subject. This is not 100% true - sometimes uncontroversial factual data about a subject, such as places and dates, may be added to an article that are taken from non-independent sources such as press releases or their own website; but most of the content in any article should come from published sources completely independent of the subject. If there is not enough about the subject from completely independent sources, then it is impossible to write an acceptable article about it - the jargon is that the subject is not notable."

My understanding from the bold part of the answer is that such factual information is okay to be added to an article, coming from a press release or the official website of the show. According to the answer I received on the Wikipedia Teahouse, could you please revert the deletions made to this article, and add again the factual information that it contained?, or explain to me why is this information being deleted from the article?, and also if this same information should be deleted also from the other 40 shows presented by Cirque du Soleil? Thanks. Estebanpirazo (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi! You tell me you want a different opinion, but then ask mine again. I'm not sure what to do about that, but here's my answer (unchanged from before). As I've said over and over again, Wikipedia doesn't care what people or organisations say about themselves – Wikipedia is built on independent reliable sources. Lists of dates and minor personnel are not encyclopaedic material – please see WP:NOTDIR, which stands for "Wikipedia is not a directory". If you find such material elsewhere, you can remove it.
 * Question: do you have some connection to the show or its organisers? If so, you must declare it. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Justlettersandnumbers, thanks for getting back to me. I came back to you because I received on the Teahouse (as per your suggestion) an answer completely different to the answers I've been receiving from you. I am confused still, because if you read the answer I received, it is okay to use a non-independent source for factual information, and still, you keep answering that this is not acceptable. I just want to know what the real problem is in here... or if you are now going to start editing all of the other 40 shows and deleting information according to your rule about factual information. FYI, I am a big fan of Cirque du Soleil, but that's it; I have no direct or indirect connection whatsoever with the show or its organizers, other than purchasing tickets in the past to attend some of their shows. Right at this moment, I think it is very unfair the way my questions and my edits have been handled, and I am not happy with the way things have been managed here. Final question: are you going to revise each Cirque du Soleil show Wikipedia article and delete all the factual information you encounter because it does not come from an independent source?. Good luck! Estebanpirazo (talk) 17:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)