Talk:Crystal Palace F.C./Archive 1

semiprotection
read the semiprotection page, you'll notice this doesn't qualify for it. If IPs vandalise it then get them banned. SenorKristobbal 19:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The problem was that there the IP was changing all the time, or otherwise it was a large number of people. Banning IPs without warning is just not done - generally a single given IP has to make several edits that are obvious vandalism before getting blocked - and then generally only for a short time unless there is good evidence that this is a static IP and/or an IP with a long history of heavy vandalism.  The wave of vandalism was hopefully temporary and the semi-protection could be removed soon.--Konstable 04:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Clean-up
Came across here to see whether Popovic had been koved and ended up doing a few edits. I've edited the sub-titles, to make them more standardised, less POV and less use of "up and down again"!

I also removed the famous fans section. They're not really suited for an encylopedia and also often based on rumour and hearsay. If the person supports the club and it can be cited in some way, put it on their bio page.

Other than that, I just removed a few stray phrases.

Cheers HornetMike 16:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry that you saw fit unilaterally to delete a whole section on famous fans. This would have been interesting, even if it was speculative. It would be quite feasible to cite authorities for those whose support is known and to say when it is just conjecture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scampben (talk • contribs) 22:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I noticed some vandalism on the Palce page. Someone added Harold Shipman, Peter Sutcliffe and Cillit Bang as members of the Palace backroom staff. I deleted these as they are obviously fake due to two of them being murderers and the other being a cleaning product. --Zeb 00:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zebramanii (talk • contribs)

Balance in the history section
The sections for the modern era could do with trimming and the club's earlier history could be expanded upon - the 3 years of Dowie's stint in charge is larger than the section for the club's first 75 years! Dancarney 11:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

A note on British English
British English should be used for articles on Britain related topics. Likewise, American English should be used on articles pertaining to American topics. For a clearer example, please visit this sub-section on the differences between their usage. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  18:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking of language, the piece of trivia saying that Crystal Palace is the only club with no vowels in the first five letters of its name is incorrect. The "y" in Crystal is a vowel ("a,e,i,o,u and sometimes y").--Nufftin 20:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * In terms of the English use of vowels the trivia is correct, A,E,I,O and U are the only vowels in the Engish language.

Tarquin88 20:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Cantona picture caption
I'm not sure how the caption is meant to be phrased. It seems to suggest he played for Crystal Palace. Any thoughts? (Drummer nath 23:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC))

Weasel Words?
Quoting:

"Many Palace and Leeds fans believed that Shaun Derry might have been the player who shared the information but Derry's agent played down these reports. Misery followed for Palace as they were beaten at home the following week by rivals Birmingham City, to the suspected anger of Palace Chief Simon Jordan."

"Many people are still in doubt as to whether Peter Taylor was the right man to take charge at Selhurst, as Palace finished February some way off the playoff place that was achieved a year earlier during Dowie's final season."

Personally, I think these paragraphs cast Taylor in an unfair light against him. The paragraphs keep citing "Many Palace fans/people" and there's a mention of the "suspected anger of Palace Chief Simon Jordan," but no citation for proof on those statements regarding the fans and Jordan. Not sure what to do about these: reword this paragraphs, or delete them altogether? I don't really think they're that important to the article and I would delete them, but I don't think I have enough seniority to make a decision on this type of situation. (ChicagoEagle8, 13:51 GMT, 14 March 2007)


 * I see your point, and unless anyone has any objections, or does it before me, over the next few days I will try and sit down and re-phrase, or plainly delete the paragraphs. Tarquin88 20:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Re-arrangement and changes to the page.
I have made numerous changes to the page and am still in the process of making changes.

Some may notice that the some of the page headlines have changed, I have also moved some sections around so they have more of a flow to them.

The "Centenary XI" has been imposed onto a pitch, to look more aesthetically pleasing, in my opinion. The section current has a few lines of 'line breaks' in order to keep the notable players from covering some of the pitch.

The notable players have been listed alphabetically, and alphabetically by country. The players included will more than likley change, as there is a fair few players on there, some of who aren't that 'notable'

The managerial history has been added to a table, with each managers stats next to them, including the win percentage.

I have also changed the external links, removing the BBC Link for the moment and organising the links into official links and supporter links.

Any suggestions are obviously welcome.

Update: I have now made ammendments to the 'Rivals' section of the page.

Tarquin88 22:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all the work you're putting into the page. ChicagoEagle8 5 April 2007

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Dates & dashes
En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Manual of Style (dashes) and Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

chants
It would be good to add chants to the page i know many other club pages have them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.221.128.95 (talk) 12:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just because other pages have chants doesn't mean this one should. In fact, if anything, the chants should be removed from the other pages as they are often quite offensive and not very encyclopaedic. - PeeJay 16:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

History section
This section should be severely pruned. Most of the information would be better suited to a separate history article, or even individual season articles. - PeeJay 16:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's not necessary to have a report on every season. Perhaps a table of league positions or a link to a site which displays them. What's left could be put in a separate article, History of Crystal Palace F.C. or something like that. I've tagged the article so it can be discussed what steps to take. ●BillPP (talk 14:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I have moved the history section to its own page as suggested as I believe it improves the look of the article. "Old" history is in the seperate article. Current history (i.e this season) is still in the Original article as I believe itys relevant. Random Jack 11:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Managerial statistics
If Steve Coppell took over in 1999 and left in 2000, how did he manage to manage 596 games? (Chorleypie 18:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC))
 * There's a note next to his name which explains why it says that many ●BillPP (talk 18:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Cystal Palace FC SEASONS
Unlike the current page of Crystal Palace F.C and History of Crystal Palace, A dedicated page should be created simular to the Sheffield United F.C. seasons Page. As this brief synopsis of each season would be welcome.

Thoughts ?

rivals
The `Rivals` page is in urgent need of deleting/clean up, as the only rival whos hould be mentioned, is the only rival of CPFC, which is Brighton.

All other accounts are not required, i.e West Ham, birmingham comments. Encyclopedia ?

Disagree about Brighton being the only rivals. The quip about hardly playing Millwall should go as Crystal Palce have been in the same division as Millwall 50% of the time since 1920! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.197.168 (talk) 18:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually the whole section might as well go. It rambles on endlessly about the Brighton stuff which has only been in effect since their unfortunate experiences during the temporary ground share, totally ignores Charlton, has forgotten about Wimbledon (RIP) and restricts comment on Millwall to one snide and inaccurate dig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.82.73 (talk) 12:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Please note, Charlton were removed along with Wimbledon. As they are not rivals of Crystal Palace FC. There maybe some arguement for Charlton, but Wimbledon were never ever rivals and therefore not worthy of comment whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.4.199 (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect the rivalry with Charlton goes back decades with Palace fans consistantly referring to Charlton as "Clowntown". For their part whilst Charlton have historically been less concerned antagonistic to Palace than Millwall they developed a considerable resentment of the former club during the groundshare. Wimbledon are of course no longer rivals since they were hijacked to Milton Keynes but for some years they were more successful than Palace and although Palace fans scorned their hatred I can assure you that the Dons supporters ahd no time for you whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.43.234 (talk) 22:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

-Nice work by Dancarney to update the rivals section. Having a quick look around other 'good article' football teams they have very little on rivals. Arsenal's entry barely mentions Spurs, Aston Villa instead links to an article on birmingham rivalries. The only football team i can find with a section is Gillingham and Sheff Utd and that's only a couple of paras. extraordinary (talk) 16:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I think that a club's rivals should be noted - it gives some insight into a club's psyche, or what have you. However, these sections can easily get out of hand, with endless statistics and details of every match between the clubs in question, plus a whole load of POV stuff on who's best, etc. All that's needed is, who the club's fans consider (or have considered) rivals, why this is and for how long this rivalry has existed (particularly where it's not just the nearest neighbours). The only other things that could possibly be mentioned are things such as an extremely long winning/losing streak. Dancarney (talk) 13:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Other topics
I'm Australia and have recently heard former Newcastle Jets player Nick Carle signed a 2 year contract, can anybody confirm???. Cheers Nath1991 (talk) 06:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No confirmation yet, still speculation --Rockybiggs (talk) 18:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess its confirmed now Nath1991 (talk) 13:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Since Crystal Palace is pronounced exactly like the words Crystal and Palace, and that every English speaker in the world knows how to say those words, do we really need the pronunciation guide in this article? I think we should remove it. 220.253.17.146 (talk) 06:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Bust? Nope, not yet
Clearly any change to the text that changes the tense to past tense is wrong, ESPECIALLY without a source. If you actually know how the process goes, it won't get wound up at 3pm, what will happen is the club's assets will be sold. The club will still be a legal entity until it's formally liquidated, which won't take place right now. Unless there is a clear source for it, Crystal Palace can be considered as of right now still clearly legally operating and any changes that tries to imply it's "bust" or "liquidated" without a cite will be deleted on sight. Smoothy (talk) 14:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, We'll just have to wait for the page to be semi'd (which I have reported it for but since theres quite a backlog, it may be a while) If you know of an admin online currently get him to protect this page otherwise we'll be reverting all day. The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 14:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And this is the reason why the page should never have been changed by naughty people to suggest that Palace have gone under - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/crystal_palace/8714650.stm Smoothy (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

transfers?
would it be prudent to add a transfer section for english championship teams, including palace? or is that too much work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.89.167.205 (talk) 00:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you explain what you mean by a "transfer section"? Bacchus87 (talk) 12:59, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Bert Head - A manager ahead of his time! (pun unintended)
'''Bert Head - A manager ahead of his time! (pun unintended)''' Bert Head was manager of Palace from 1966 to 1973. The webpage WRONGLY states he was head from 1963 to 1964. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PortsmouthPete (talk • contribs) 23:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Bert Head - A manager ahead of his time! (pun unintended)
PortsmouthPete (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2010 (UTC) '''Bert Head - A manager ahead of his time! (pun unintended)''' Bert Head was manager of Palace from 1966 to 1973. The webpage WRONGLY states he was head from 1963 to 1964.

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History Section
It says the club was formed by the builders of the Crystal Palace. Now, think about it logically - The Crystal Palace was built in 1851. Even if the builders were 20 years old then, they would have been in their 70's by 1905! You've sourced it, but it's clearly wrong. Perhaps even the source was unaware of the existence of Crystal Palace F.C. (1861)...? 195.24.44.116 (talk) 11:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That would have referred to the original & basically unrelated club formed circa 1861. Eagleash (talk) 01:14, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Pardew not actually yet manager
Probably being pedantic, but AP is not actually yet manager at this point in time. Should the article be edited for the sake of encyclopaedic accuracy until it is confirmed? The Newcastle United page is stating that AP is still manager there, which I think is technically correct as we go Martyn Smith (talk) 18:49, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2015
As there is a break in league games, how about updating Pardew's stats in the managers table?? Played 11, Won 6, Drawn 1, Lost 4

Mikebenns (talk) 11:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  21:27, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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