Talk:Ctesiphon

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Ancient??

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=== Ancient?

Really? From Wiki - "Ancient History covers all continents inhabited by humans in the 3,000 BC – 500 AD period."

Even 500 AD is pushing it IMO - but 630 AD is certainly not 'Ancient'

Robfwoods (talk) 09:14, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Sack
The general that sacked ctesiphon in 164 AD was Avidius Cassius not Avitus....two different romans living centuries apart

Julian the Apostate also attacked Ctesiphon in 363 but was repelled. He did win the initial battle, though, so he'd probably deserve a mention (Julian died in a battle during the retreat from Ctesiphon)

removed a shout-out tag. --xiaou

Salman Pak same as Madain?
In some sources Salman Pak is said to be a different name for the city of Madain/Ctesiphon, while in other sources it says that Salman Pak is a village neighboring Madain. Does anyone have a definite answer? Pats243 01:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

The answer is a definite yes. The tomb of Salman the Persian--the first Persian to become a Muslim and chosen as one of the 'Companions' of the Prophet Muhammad is only a short walk away from the great arch.

Salman arrived in Ctesiphon with the invading Muslim army. It was probably due to his influence and earlier correspondence with the authorities in the city that Ctesiphon opened its gates to the Muslims and surrendered without much of a fight. Salman was thus appointed by the Caliph Umar as the first Muslim mayor of the city, where he lived and served until his death. Today, his tomb is a sacred place and is visited by the Shia and the Sunni Muslims alike. He is also considered to be the patron saint of the barbers (whence the Persian colloquial term for a barber shop: "salmani.") Every year local people bring their newborn boys for their first haircut to the tomb of Salman. It is a festive occasion and everybody enjoy themselves with food, drinks and music.

M. Izady

The present day city of Salman Pak is on the east bank of the Tigris River (the map on the Page puts ancient Ctesiphon on the West side of the river). The City of Madain is a little bit further east of the river. Both Cities are currently hot-beds of sectarian killing between Sunni and Shia. The irony is, thousands of years later, there is still a heavy Persian/Iranian influence in this area. I would like to make a trip to the ruins of Ctesiphon before I leave Iraq but no one else is keen to make a road trip.....IEDs.

-From Baghdad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.255.36.116 (talk) 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

No mention of Alexander of Macedon's invasion
--213.141.159.52 15:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Ctesiphon was just a village at the time of Alexander. It is only after his death that one of his general, Seulucus builds a town in there and names it after himself, Seulucia on the Tigris.

Map
The map seems to show Ctesiphon on the left bank of the Euphrates, which is wrong. It should be on the left bank of the Tigris. 86.149.8.107 15:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Seperate article for Al-Mada'in?
I expanded / created the article on Al-Mada'in, because I think it's worth distinguishing them - Al-Mada'in is the broader metropolis / urban area, whereas Ctesiphon was one of the cities in it, so Al-Madain would be Ctesiphon and it's suburbs, or Seleucia and it's suburbs, etc. (depending of the period we're talking about).

What would you think about moving (or copying?) some of the material from the Ctesiphon article to Al-Mada'in? flammif e rtalk 17:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

New article for Taq-i Kisra
... because I think it deserves an article of it's own. (plus hey, you can see it on Google earth!); I moved a couple paragraphs from the "Palaces of Ctesiphon" section here to over there. They didn't really fit here, and I guess they were recently moved from a seperate article, right? Anyway, they were slightly redundant with the rest of the article (at least on the history and locations bit), so i also reintegrated a bit into the main article. flammif e rtalk 08:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Palace photo date
Is there any way of verifiying the date of 1864 assigned to the first photograph of the palace ruins? I ask because I happened to be looking at Hugh Kennedy's The Early Arab Conquests, which contains the same photo but dates it to 1912. Given that parts of the palace apparently collapsed in the 1880s, this is of some significance.

Zburh (talk) 21:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup lead
The lead section needs some cleanup, perhaps an infobox, and removal of images. Viriditas (talk) 11:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Destruction of Books
How could the books be thrown to the Euphrates, when Ctesiphon is at the side of the Tigris? I've corrected it. If someone has a reason to revert it, please clarify said reason here.

Can someone please provide any credible citation for this claim. i Have never heard of "Library of Ctesiphon" being burned/destroyed by the Arabs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhad.tajik (talk • contribs) 04:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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Pronunciation
I know that the Latin and Greek pronunciations of Ctesiphon are straightforward, but is there any consensus on its pronunciation in English? When I first heard the name in a Roman history course taught by a Latin professor, he said it as "stɛsəfan". Going by the Greek, though, it seems that "stisəfan" would also be likely. What about historians in the UK or elsewhere in the English-speaking world? Tsunomaru (talk) 23:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Dunno about a consensus. I just removed this&mdash;&mdash;from the lead sentence. Unlike Polybius, this is something where we should have a pronunciation guide but we need to have reliable sources for it, not just people's best guesses. We also need some explanation on what that κ was doing there in the first place if the original name was just T~ and Greek has a perfectly good Τ sitting around to start its words with. — Llywelyn II   06:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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Greeks in the city of ctesiphon?
What are the sources for the Greeks in Ctesiphon? As far as I know, the Greeks were not in persia at the end of the Sasanian era. In general, Greek and Roman identities were considered as enemy and opposite — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sassanid.soldier (talk • contribs) 18:13, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Lots of Greeks/Romans were deported to the western cities of Sasanian Iran, including Ctesiphon. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear friend
 * you are right
 * But these Greek and Roman captives were solved in the local and native identities of the Sassanian Empire. To the extent that in the sixth and early seventh centuries there was no trace of the existence of the Greek people in the ::city of Ctesiphon, the capital of the Sasanians?
 * However, I am also waiting for historical sources to prove the existence of Greek people in the sixth and early seventh centuries in Ctesiphon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sassanid.soldier (talk • contribs) 20:08, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you have any historical sources yourself that the prove "Greek and Roman captives were solved in the local and native identities of the Sassanian Empire" :p? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:42, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

No information regarding population numbers?
I'd at least like to see rough estimates on how many people lived in ctesiphon at its height, aswell as various other points in the citys history. --77.222.163.183 (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Tisfun in English sources
Many sources in English also use "Tisfun". See examples in Google Books search. So I think the alternative name "Tisfun" can be used in the lede. Khestwol (talk) 18:16, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Many vague and seemingly non-RS sources yes. No major scholar uses the word "Tisfun" to refer to the city, whether it be Bosworth, Daryaee, Frye, Yarshater, Boyce, Rezakhani, Potts, Payne, etc. The name is simply not relevant enough to be in the lead. HistoryofIran (talk)

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