Talk:Cuban Americans

Needs a complete rewrite
This article needs a complete rewrite. Much of it is heavily POV, and some parts are blatantly racist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.195.60 (talk) 19:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The entire article needs to re-written from scratch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.165.209.92 (talk) 01:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree with the comment above. As a Cuban-American born and raised and currently living in Miami, I do not find this article racist in any way and in general, it is a good and truthful (yet brief) description of Cuban-Americans and their origins.  It does tend to side with the Miami-based Cuban American view but then again, the large majority of us grew up in Miami.  One cannot argue that, in general, the association between the Cuban-American people and the City of Miami is inseparable.  So, for an online encyclopedia, it is a good description of what and who Cuban-Americans, in general, are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.3.69.7 (talk) 13:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup, NPOV, Wikify
I removed all POV that I could see, cleaned up and wikified the entire article. It looks pretty good now but could benefit from more information. Any questions can be left on my talk page. Thanks! --Shawn 00:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

10/09/06
As a Cuban American from New York City whose family came here *before the revolution I find what I have read so far pretty ridiculous, entirely POV, without reference, and fairly racist. Firstly, the author gives the statistic that %86 percent of Cuban Americans identify as Caucasian. Giving statistics with no reference is the worst kind writing. Secondly, the author states that there was little race mixing before the communist revolution. Again, where is the proof? This statement is entirely and completely false. I recommend that the author read "Sugar is Made with Blood: The Conspiracy of La Escalera and the Conflict between Empires and Slavery in Cuba" by Robert L. Paquette for a historical, and verifiable unlike the author's writing, account of pardo society and race relations prior to Castro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.175.44 (talk) 21:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * After reading the entire article I have to agree with the first comment that the article needs a complete rewrite. You can't just rattle of statistics without a reference and pass that off as fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.175.44 (talk) 21:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * First, it is not racist, that is your conception of it. The "statistics" with no reference are found at the Pew Research study of Cuban Americans at http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/23.pdf. I beleive it is you who are mistaken, and biased against white Cubans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.229.0 (talk) 03:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Firstly, it is rude to make his personal by calling me biased. Secondly, if I am biased against white Cubans then I am biased against myself. Thirdly, I reiterate my point about the claim that there was no race mixing prior to Castro as being complete fiction and my advise that you begin more serious research of your heritage with the above book. Fourthly, thank you for providing finally the source of at least one of your statistics, that %86 of Cubans self identify as white. This needs to be cited *in the article. Providing a citation for every claim is *basic writing and one of the main reasons this article needs a complete rewrite. Lastly, this statistic that %86 of Cubans identify as white, placed as you do, is totally out of context and *highly misleading. As it stands it implies that %86 of Cuban Americans are racially Caucassian which is very differnt and not the conculsion of the study that you found the satistic in. If you actually read the whole study you will see that self identification as white is a marker for a sence of inclusion, which you neglect to metion. Consider the following quote from that very study which summarizes this fact:


 * Shades of Belonging
 * Latinos and Racial Identity


 * by Sonya Tafoya, Pew Hispanic Center
 * Report Materials


 * The findings of this study suggest that Hispanics see race as a measure of belonging, and whiteness as a measure of inclusion, or of perceived inclusion. The report reveals that Latinos' choice to identify as white, or not, does not exclusively reflect permanent markers such as skin color or hair texture but that race is also related to characteristics that can change, such as economic status and perceptions of civic enfranchisement. Whiteness is clearly associated with distance from the immigrant experience. Thus, the U.S.-born children of immigrants are more likely to declare themselves white than their foreign-born parents, and the share of whiteness is higher still among the grandchildren of immigrants. In addition, the acquisition of U.S. citizenship is associated with whiteness.


 * In conclusion, this article suffers from the worst kind of writing, lacks citations, lacks context, lacks depth, is largely POV and needs a complete rewrite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.175.44 (talk) 11:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Once again you are showing your bias by arguing that a normative and subjective interpretation of the fact of self-identification must be included when discussing the objective fact that 86% of respondents to the Pew research poll self-identify themselves as white or caucasian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.141.67 (talk) 03:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Miami
Can somebody provide any validity to the statement that the Miami area is one of the wealthiest cities in the country? Didn't a Census report a few years back say Miami is the poorest large city in the country? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.65.77.46 (talk) 06:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleted sentence
"or Mulatto) and even that of the population of Cuba, 62% of which are Mulatto or black (according to the 2001 Cuban national census)".

Removed the following sentence since the reference given was not what it indicates in the sentence. The reference in Spanish indicates from the Cuban government census that the population was 11.1 million; 7.2 million white, 2.7 million mulatos or mestizos and 1.1 black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L'Écolier (talk • contribs) 23:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, that reference was incorrect and has been corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.225.75 (talk) 04:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion vote
Please see the deletion vote at Articles for deletion/List of Bahamian Americans. Badagnani 03:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

History of Latinos and Hispanics
Please consider contributing to the article entitled History of Latinos and Hispanics. Thank you! --JuanMuslim 1m 02:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Cubans in Orlando?
Why is orlando mentioned as having a large Cuban community when in fact there is more cities around the country with larger populations, same goes for Key West. Tampa I understand because its historically known for having a Cuban community but Orlando!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.29.177 (talk) 04:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
See Articles for deletion/List of Cuban Americans. Badagnani 02:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Two immigratin sections?
The section on "Immigration Policy should be incorporated into the "Immigration" section. So... umm, Get on that people!--ArtifexCrastinus 17:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Citations needed
This article still need citations badly. The small sections I read did not include improbable details, but without citations I can't very well rely on anything here. Unless someone adds citations, the article should be flagged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.1.229 (talk) 20:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

no rice and black beans in the foods?
seriously???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.244.61 (talk) 02:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Who put that we eat ppicadillo with BLACK BEANS? Absolutely not! 173.105.223.18 (talk) 13:16, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Article is misleading and needs rewrite
This article has much original research, peacock language, and unreferenced essay statements. There is sloppy research -- the very first citation I checked -- does NOT say that Cubans are the third largest Hispanic group, it says they're the fifth. (The table was apparently not read carefully by the editor.) This article needs a comprehensive rewrite, with existing references checked, and many other references added. Piano non troppo 15:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Citations from credible sources
I am new to editing in Wikipedia. I have added some citations from credible sources. My aim is to keep adding credible sources and expand the article. Amaria005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amaria005 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Perez Hilton?
Him being in the "Notable Cuban-Americans" category is pretty telling about the crème de la crème. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.94.234 (talk) 07:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Dude, I totally agree. Perez Hilton is a sh¡t head and hasn't really accomplished anything other than shame to the Cuban American community.  He doesn't represent us, and we don't really want it as such.  Can someone remove that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.79.9.129 (talk) 20:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Who are you to determine who is a significant Cuban American and how is he bringing "shame" to the Cuban American community? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.222.102 (talk) 11:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Why madam, he would a right. He can determine it quite well, however, your abilites are to shame. 82.16.85.5 (talk) 21:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Damn
Dave lobardo to camron diaz? Where did cuba go wrong? 82.16.85.5 (talk) 21:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

1980s
This is un-encyclopedic "Most where decent people trying to escape communist oppression" and the rest of the section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.61.194 (talk) 01:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Are they really Cuban Americans
It seems that listing some of the top name on this page as being 'Cuban Americans' is a bit of a stretch. If you go back 3 generations pretty much the entire population of the USA would not be American by this standard. I fear there is a good bit of propaganda being used here to show that if you can escape from the clutches of the evil Cuban government you can make it big in the USA.

For example Cameron Diaz. Father born in Los Angeles. His father came from Spain via Cuba. She does not speak Spanish. Her mother has a polyglot ancestry of general US population. Surely to classify as being Cuban American at least one of your immediate parents should have actually been born in Cuba.

Enrique Murciano is of Cuban decent meaning what excatly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.102.75 (talk) 12:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sound like you need the relevant wiki-guidelines. Zeng8r (talk) 16:52, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Cuban in Louisiana between 1778 - 1892?
This information from the first section I do not know where it came from, but between 1778 and 1782 the Hispanic that emigrated to Louisiana were only Spanish people: Between 2100 and 2700 were Canarians and others 500 people were from Malaga, Andalusia. Cubans were not to Louisiana in those years. I think that the seccion of this article is confusing to Canarians with Cuban. If this information is true, if really Cubans migrated to Louisiana during this period, the editors of the seccion should put references. --Isinbill (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Desi Arnaz
If ANY high-profile Cuban-American deserves attention in the showcase of images it is the late Desi Arnaz, arguably the first Cuban-American personality who got widespread attention as "Ricky Ricardo" in the long-running and certifiably excellent TV show I Love Lucy.

That's before I even discuss Cuban-American athletes.Pbrower2a (talk) 14:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed, he was one of the first prominent Cubans during his day and I see no reason to keep him out of the line up. Especially since he's arguably more recognisable than most of the other Cuban Americans whose pictures are up there. --P.4.P. No. 1 (talk) 00:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * How about baseball players like Tony Oliva and specially Minnie Miñoso? They have earned and deserve a mention. 47.148.54.69 (talk) 08:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Addition of 2010 census information
I've removed allusions to the 2010 census as it was simply added to replace the 2000 statistics without updating any corresponding figures.

If anyone wishes to update to 2010, please be certain to also include the statistical changes and update them. One census = one set of statistics and findings. A second census = another set. Transposition of information = uncited = removed. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:31, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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Daily changes to infobox Cuban Americans
People being represented, numbers of images, etc. in the infobox are being constantly changed by IP one-off edits, even to the point that they're edit warring over who their personal favourites are.

Ideally, there should be a rational selection of a number of Cuban Americans representing various fields of achievement. I'd encourage some form of discussion as to who these representatives are to be in order that those watching this page don't have to check back every day in order to establish whether those being added are even Cuban Americans!

Could we please try to stabilise the representative group and make consensus changes only when it is deemed appropriate to change them around? This is Wikipedia and should not be subject to the personal whims of IP contributors who are into models, baseball or whatever happens to tickle their WP:POV fancy. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Cuban immigration to the United States
I have created Cuban immigration to the United States using, for the most part, material from this article. This offers a chance to truncate the section here on immigration and create a more detailed article at Cuban immigration to the United States. Note that Cuban migration to Miami also exists. For those with NYT's access see http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/us/for-cubans-in-miami-the-gulf-to-their-homeland-narrows.html User:Fred Bauder Talk 12:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree
A son or daugther who was born in United States of America must not called "cuban american" because their parents are cubans citizens. Because how we call a person who was born in USA and his/her father born in Perú and his/mother born in England. Or mexican and ecuador etc. although they got or no US Citinzeship --Yayoloco (talk) 04:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * They are all Americans despite what you think or have heard from U.S. "Americans," no? ovA_165443 (talk) 16:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Redundant and dated content additions to Socioeconomics section
Dynamic IP 2601:******, please stop trying to push content sourced from a couple of texts published in 1998 and one from 2003 as if they were a reflection of current socio-economic dynamics. Aside from having directly plagiarised sections like "As sociologist Lisandro Perez first suggested, the real Cuban success story “may rest more on a generalized family work ethic than on the individual cases of meteoric social mobility.”", used 'cuban-american work ethic' in order to extrapolate an allusion to WP:POV-push WP:PEACOCK descriptions of the Cuban-American work ethic from William Velez's Race and Ethnicity in the United States: An Institutional Approach (one of the 1998 texts), but don't even seem to know what page of any of the books not available on line you're 'referencing' actually discusses the issues you're trying to push. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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“Notable Cuban Figures”
Instead of “notable people” under the “notable cuban americans” section, I propose the heading for “notable people” be changed to “notable cuban figures” since some, including the first listed, are not American, as is presently erroneously suggested. José Martí was not Cuban-American. Carlos Finlay was not Cuban-American. Instead of removing these figures who are clearly important to Cuban-American history and culture, I propose the subheading be changed. 174.240.66.96 (talk) 03:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)