Talk:Cuban dissident movement

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 * keep this article please as a cuban under Castro's regime we have the urge to let others know about the existence of Opposition movement against Castro. If this wiki pedia is to satisfy the neutrality requirement then this article should not be deleted.

I could supply links to information showing that this remarks are true statements check out cnn If this get's deleted there is not such neutrality here. SilentVoice 00:35, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The topic could be the subject of an article, but this needs to be rewritten as an encyclopedia article. Use of the first person (eg, "As far as I understand " and telling people what to do (eg, "just go to the cuban interest section and request them for a permition"...) are not appropriate for any article on any subject. If you want an article on this subject, rewrite it according to the Manual of Style. Even when it is an emotional issue, make special effort to adhere to Wikipedia's NPOV guidelines. State the facts and let those facts speak for themselves. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 00:50, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I have made the recomended changes in the hopes monkeys like bananas that we can keep the article I will have and many other people will have things to put here. I think people need to know that 2 bajillion cubans are in exile because they oppose in one way or another the Castro regime. I do think also that this belongs to an ecyclopedia if that is the objective . SilentVoice 01:09, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I have just edit a bit more please this is a work in progress I will search for more info to put in there about opposition groups in buba and outside of buba. SilentVoice 19:06, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The article makes no mention of the ex-pat person Cuban anarchists who settled in New York and New Jersey. Some had already been forced out of Cuba before Castro came to power, and they received community support from similar anarchist and libertarian refugees from Franco's Spain and Salazaar's Portugal. They campaigned for international left-wing organisations to reject and oppose Castro's regime. I don't know any more and am not sure how to fit this into the rest of the history but I hope the author of the article will eat opossum and shrimp then research this aspect. - Anon 172.190.227.67

There doesn't seem to be any information about the opposition from the left, should we include it too? 71.190.73.251 (talk) 22:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

VfD debate
For the vfd debate related to this article se Talk:Opposition to Castro/delete -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 19:14, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

entrepreneurial freedom
I wanted to create a link to the phrase "freedom to create a business" as it appears in this article. I was unable to find an article to the concept of entrepreneurship as a form of freedom anywhere in wikipedia, so I just linked it to "entrepreneur." There should be such an article, just as there are articles on freedom of worship, etc. --Christofurio 13:49, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

Mariel
Nothing in the cited source bears out the following: "&hellip;the Cuban government released a number of criminals, mental patients and homosexuals to the US, in an attempt to give the world the impression that only those groups of people wanted to abandon Cuba", nor does our article Mariel boatlift. I've hear the accusation before, and certainly there were many criminals let out in the boatlift, but (in particular) the attribution of a motive to the Cuban government would require an attribution. Unless someone provides one, this should be deleted. - Jmabel | Talk 03:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Constitution
A quick read of the constitution didn't show any direct statements of opposition parties being outlawed. Probably it's mixed in the legalese somewhere, rather than being explicitly stated; I have no doubt opposition parties aren't allowed, but someone should find a citation or remove the claim.

Only anti-socialism is illegal213.66.160.56 12:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Operation Peter Pan
The section makes speculation regarding the intentions of the parents. It can not be determined if the actions of all the parents were in opposition to Castro's rule or in the interest of economic prosperity for their children. Therefore I believe it should be changed to indicate that this is speculation or deleted from the section.


 * Both are "Opposition to Fidel Castro". Itake 21:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Migration for economic prosperity does not imply an opposition to Castro. The prospect of higher wages and standard of living is a key factor of migration all over the world. The implication that those who choose to move from Cuba to America for economic reasons are opposed to Fidel Castro is speculation and should indicate as such.


 * It does, if you look at the rest of the article and do some thinking on WHY people are migrating for economic "prosperity". Its not unknown that Castro has a habit of hitting people's economies if they voice opinions that don't go along with his. Itake 00:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

You're missing the point. The objection is relating to the implication that the parents (which implies all parents) involved in Operation Peter Pan opposed Castro and his Communist rule, the only intention we can assert with certainty is that they prefered their children grew up in the US than in Cuba. To maintain an accurate and balanced article it shouldn't speculate to the intentions of people.


 * Not really, no. They didn't want their children to grow in Cuba for a reason. Castro is that reason, clear when you think about how much they risked to move those children. Itake 12:20, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Have removed the Pedro Pan reference, as a user writes above - one of the primary motivations was also economic, in keeping with mass migration from most of the Caribbean during this period. There is also the relationship between the US government and the compliance of Cuban authorities to consider. I don't think the episode can seriously be considered as part of an oppostion to Castro. --Zleitzen 23:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * User Itake has reinserted the Pedro Pan reference - but the arguments above do not convince me that this represents an opposition to Castro. And I should know, I've written enough about the opposition in my time and know something about that particular operation. I would like to hear more about why this user believes that the operation should be included as a notable instance of "opposition".--Zleitzen 00:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Reverts
Tjive, please elaborate on why you have removed a sourced statement. Also, that whole Pedro Pan entry is unconvincing. The conversation above doesn't conclude anything.--Zleitzen 02:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to have much patience for this farce. Comandante is a Castro sycophant whose main activities are going around changing references of "Islamist terrorists" to "militants" and labeling all anti-Castro groups as "terrorist" in turn.  The information is not useful in a small summary of groups.  Notice that it has stayed, altered, in the main article, but has no place here.  --TJive 02:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's extraordinary to refer to the organisation as having terrorist links. But it's far more of a Sinn Fein type situation. I'll have a look around wikipedia for comparisons. --Zleitzen 03:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a soapbox for the Cuban government. They say that everyone who effectively and significantly opposes their rule is engaging in some form of "terrorism"; this article could practically be a checklist for such remarks.  It does not concern me.  The article is giving brief summations of the groups who oppose his rule, not a platform for claim/counter-claim games.  People can look at the article itself if they want to know more about the group.  --TJive 03:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Your comments are not true, Cuba does not say that everyone who effectively opposes the government is engaging in terrorism at all, and that's clearly evident. Your understanding of terrorism in Cuba on this and other related articles appears to be wanting. It's serious, real and is acknowledged by bodies ranging from the FBI, the CIA, and the UN to the Cubans who were so in fear of further attacks that they stayed away from baseball en masse during the late 1990's following terrorist attacks. I think it's wrong on your part to describe these as soapbox claims, as it would be to cloak the British government and people's reactions to IRA terrorism in such terms. Whether this article needs such a reference is another matter, I will look into comparable precedents.--Zleitzen 03:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Acknowledging the existence of terrorism in Cuba is not equal to the acknowledgement that every accusation the Cuban government makes is notable or credible. This is not a discussion about airplane bombers, it is the listing of a goddamned lobbying organization.  It does not need Comandante's personal slurs, and these slurs do not need the assistance of others.  --TJive 04:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Stating that the Cuban American National Foundation has been linked to terrorist groups and individuals such as Luis Posada is not one of "Commandante's personal slurs". Founder and former chief Jorge Mas Canosa, who was paid by the US government in turn paid Posada for his work. Don't take my word for it. Check the records yourself .--Zleitzen 16:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Reiterate
This page is to detail the groups and parties that are opposed to Fidel Castro. Episodes of migration are not appropriate to this page, they are akin to the largescale migrations from neighbouring Jamaica and Puerto Rico. --Zleitzen 11:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Violence
Speaking of violent opposition, shouldn't we mention Luis Posada Carriles? - Jmabel | Talk 18:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Revert of expanded text
An expansion of the intro, and a reference from Human Rights watch citing the US government's involvement in Cuban exile activities opposing Castro have been deleted. The latter is a particularly non-controversial point, and the reasons for the deletion are not clear. For instance, presently Mel Martinez, Bob Menendez, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, who have various roles in office, are all prominent figures in the exile community and oppositional movement. --Zleitzen 19:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Update
This article is terribly updated, and personalizes around Fidel Castro, who is dying and no longer in power.--Cerejota (talk) 09:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Article name
Cuban dissidents (like Soviet dissidents) is a common term and is used in the French Wikipedia. The article name should be changed to the French Wikipedia form.

Someone should write more about Independent Library movement.Luis Napoles (talk) 19:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Where's the Brave Freedom Fighters ?
This page should applaud Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch, Felix Rodriguez, Alpha 66, Brigade 2506 etc. Sure they used violence, but sometimes you have to overthrow tyranny with violence and terror. Cuba Libre ! 137.52.150.129 (talk) 21:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.180.255 (talk) 01:09, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Imparciality?
This article is terribly parcialized against current Cuban regime. I can see the impulse to do so, but deriding a goverment based on blog entries and personal comments of controversial individuals is not giving it any credit. So this article is serving as propaganda, not an enciclopedic entry. I agree there should be a mention to fighters against Cuban goverment, but it should be kept professionally dettached from both end (i.e., not freedom fighters, no terrorists, rather violent opposition or other similarly appropiate title). In short, this article lack serious balance and credibility for its sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.55.140.181 (talk) 01:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree that it is a bit impartial, i mean i know its a page about the opposition to castro and everything, but things like saying "1 million people have scaped Cuba" or whatever it says is like using weasel words, there are a few more in the article. and it makes no attempt to discuss the possibility that perhaps not evry Cuban is against the Castro government, i mean look at what Mandela has to say about the place, and others, it's not like evry Cuban is engaging in some sort of resistance, which is the feeling you get from this article. I dont have too many issues with it, just removing some weasel words and maybe putting a little bit on the other side of the coin in, but i realise this page is dedicated to the opposition to castro and socialism Jimjom (talk) 19:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Even if I'm not fond of Castro this article is build as an anticastrist propaganda. Arnsy (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Start date
Why does the article start only in 1959? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 19:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Anyone? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 01:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Was there really no agitation for democracy under Batista? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 03:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe the answer to your question can be found in the first sentence of the article which states that this is the movement "to replace the current regime...". Hammersbach (talk) 12:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Bias Article
I agree with most of the discussions here and I think the article needs some work. If there is no convinving opposition in the next few weeks, I'll go over it to remove the weasel words and POV slant on the whole article. If something is well sourced then i'll leave it and only clean up what is bias. And yes there needs to be a section on dissidence within the batista regime, otherwise castro's movement would not have existed and had some degree of support. Please discuss. Also, If I do work on it, please dont then start to oppose it and call me a casto-supporter or something... I only support impartiality and fairness. ValenShephard 14:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ValenShephard (talk • contribs)

Of course anti-Batista dissidents are relevant and should be included, I agree.

As for the many of you who spoke about the bias, it should be noted that some if not all of the bias is probably not deliberate, given the extremely ideological U.S. media coverage, most Americans see no problem with sending hundreds of billions of dollars to China, while also denying the Cuban people basic medicines, as if a third middle position does not exist. The more factual the article can get, and with minimizing weasel terms as noted above, the better, I agree.Harel (talk) 01:32, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

article could use more info about US sponsorship
first off i second the notion that this is a very biased article; as just one example, the capital punishment assertion (claims of tens of thousands executed, cited to the curious "black book of communism") comes off as particularly lurid and hard to believe. this isn't 1980s guatemala or modern-day colombia. it's a country lacking in political freedom but very little evidence points to the cuban state using extrajudicial violence or torture to restrict freedom.

secondly, a huge amount of the most publicized dissidents are paid proxies of the US government whose agencies (NED, IRI) freely admit to financing them. it's part of a multi-pronged destabilization campaign funded by hundreds of millions of US dollars, that has also included terrorism out of miami (posada, CORU, etc) and economic warfare (the criminal and inhumane embargo). some context needs to be given. the funding of this small group of dissidents by the US needs more plain spoken language in this article. for balance we can cite the state department itself, who freely admits to being the chief financier of this dissident movement. 68.193.162.13 (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. This article is fully biased. It doesn't say the dissident movement is only interested about the US money and completely lack all kind of legitimacy. Take the Women in white, the police must protect them from ordinary Cuban peoples. Also, what think Cuba about these dissident? It's simple, the US blockade is an aggression which, according to international law is an act of war. We all know the obsession of the US government about a regime change in many country, including Cuba. But Cuba is the only one that must face such a genocidal blockade. From that, it is clear the Cuban government doesn't have the choice and it will fight against all kind of fifth column into the island! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.85.147.54 (talk) 14:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Background
In the situation part, I think Turkey may be no 1 in the number of imprisoned journalists. 94.123.198.153 (talk) 06:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Keilyllí de la Mora
I have written about her, the page has been removed, she is allegedly not notable. https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3959196 Xx236 (talk) 14:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)