Talk:Cube Zero

Merge summary of other movies
I would only merge parts, afterall the three movies are only loosely connected (cast is totally different each time, as is the philosophy behind it) (clem 20:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC))
 * I wrote most of the Cube Zero article, and I don't have a problem with this. 205.188.117.14 14:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Rather than moving the overall summary into the article about the first movie, I've created a new Cube series article that describes all three movies and how they relate. -- Bovineone 07:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If "the first two movies take place entirely within the maze" then would someone mind either explaining the end of Cube 2 or removing this ridiculous sentence? --Charax 22:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Any news of another sequel?
just wondering. Maybe Sasha didn't put the data what was taken. Besides, they have to explain how the cube evolved from an escape room to a hypercube or if it still even has an escape room. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.94.57.226 (talk) 02:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

Deletion of false information
Im removing the trivia section which claims that Wynn is catagorically not Kazan from the original cube as I have just listened to the directors commentary and among other things he says "mabye this is Kazan or how Kazan came to be, making this much more of a prequel than a sequel". The director clearly meant for this issue to be left open ended and I think the author of this section of text was placing their own interpretation on this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.109.46.177 (talk • contribs).

Traps/Clean Sweep
There were some errors and assumptions made in the traps section. They have been corrected. The comment about the clean sweep not explaining how clothing was removed was inaccurate. The movie clearly shows that a clean sweep incinerates people and clothing, see the 1 hour 20 minute mark when Haskell falls victim to the clean sweep. The scene clearly shows both he and his clothing are incinerated leaving nothing left in the room. Leavemade 02:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Critical reception
There needs to be some more "out of universe" information added, like critical reception, filming locations, green lighting progress and such. JayKeaton (talk) 06:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Plausible traps?
"The traps in Cube Zero are more similar to the mechanical, plausible traps in the original Cube."

Most of the traps are physically impossible.

The "swinging dicer" is impossible, since wire sharp enough to cut through flesh and bones must be very fine. But if it's fine, it will also be fragile and will break before being able to penetrate the skin. In the original Cube movie you also see that there's almost no force required to tear the wire mesh through the victim's body. At first you don't see that he's hit by the mesh, you just hear that noise and he stops moving. Then you see a bit of blood and it doesn't seem as if he's badly wounded. Then he falls apart in a matter of seconds. If he was hit by this fine mesh, it would have pressed him towards one wall or the floor or whatever direction it was moving to and maybe then cut into him, provided the mesh wouldn't just break.

The acid trap is the most physically impossible trap in the whole cube series. If it was a strong acid, it would have tasted sour because of the hydrogen ions, but he thought it was water. And it would have caused irritation when coming into contact with his skin. Furthermore, the water from his tissue would have diluted the acid so that at some point it won't do significant damage any more. And finally, when acid comes into contact with blood, the blood will coagulate, which will stop the bleeding.

The "bolt-and-wire-shooting" trap has the same problem as the "swinging dicer". If the wires are sharp and thin, they will break, if they are thick, they won't cut into the tissue.

The "speaker trap" is also very fake. I highly doubt that it's technically possible to create sound waves of such a high sound pressure level, that could kill a person, let alone those five tiny speakers. At music festivals they use huge PA speakers which are as high as the stage itself and they are far from producing hazardous sound levels. And finally, if the victim realized that he was trapped, why didn't he rip the membranes off the speakers? And why didn't the sound pressure destroy the speakers themselves?

the "speaker trap" is not exactly the rough power of sound, it's a harmonic tuning of the vibrational frequency under which the flesh explodes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.79.45 (talk) 22:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

So maybe we should mention that the traps are not plausible at all .. and explain why they are sci-fi and not possible in real world physics. 217.94.250.233 (talk) 16:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to add that the case with the wire not working... what he is saying is true, but I think it might be safe to assume that they are using an awesomely sturdy and thin razor like wire. They obviously have a lot of money to construct such a cube, and I find it possible that they would spend a nice amount of money on superior wire. There is also the possibility of the wire actually moving while it slices, causing it to slice with less friction, like a saw. 69.228.208.12 (talk) 00:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * First off here, going by simple laws of physics, if the wire were fine enough and durable enough it would pass directly through him if travelling at a high enough speed. Which as you can see in the movie, it moves quite quickly.


 * Correction to the Acid Trap idea. I don't believe it was acid he was sprayed with. It clearly was water he was doused in and I believe it was more of a flesh eating virus or a culture of flesh eating bacteria. The bacteria wouldn't have a flavor and would've been able to seep into his skin through osmosis. If you watch in the first cube, Renn was hit with an acid trap and it reacted very differently than the trap in Cube Zero.


 * In response to above: Even rope can cut through flesh if pulled tight enough using friction and force. Read a text book before making posts like your Bill Nye.


 * To above: It wasn't the amount of sound being produced but the wavelength it was being produced at. Also substances containing water, flesh for instance, reacts differently to sound waves than metal and other waterless materials.69.244.165.163 (talk)

All rooms trap rooms?
I don't think so. As far as I understood, Jax moved the rooms with traps around the one Wynn and the others were in so that there was no escape.

Stars
"Reel Film gave the film three out of 4 stars." I gave it, and the entire franchise a zero. Jason Palpatine (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect / Mis-stated Information?
I've watched this film several times, and actually just finished watching it a few minutes ago, and some of these statements don't seem correct:

1. "This movie explains the origins of the Cube and the people who control it."
 * Where are the origins of the cube explained? There are some vague allusions to its purpose, but nothing much about any origin.  Also, as the sentence is worded, it makes it sound like "the movie explains the people who control it."  First of all, that just don't sound good.  Secondly, it shows some people who operate some of it, but it's very clear that they have limited knowledge of the big picture, and even perhaps those above Dodd and Winn have a limited understanding as well.  And do these people really control the cube, or merely operate it?

2. "he was sprayed with a very strong base."
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but where is it confirmed that he was sprayed with a base?

3. "A man named Eric watching this in an observation room with his co-worker named Dodd, reveals that it is only a recording. "
 * I understand what this sentence is trying to say, but it needs to be re-written. It's nonsensical as is.

4. "Afterwards, Eric is shown to be sketching a portrait of Dodd (in the form of a superhero called Chessman), whilst playing chess with Dodd, who has a chess board in front of him, which Eric is not looking at, as he is on the other table, just drawing and naming his moves. "
 * Long, rambling, poor sentence.

I'm actually going to stop pointing out all the mediocre writing. The information seems fine for the most part, but it needs to be reworded. I'll actually take a stab at cleaning some of this up if no one else wants the job.

5. "His behavior is identical to Kazan, an autistic man from the first movie, suggesting that Kazan may actually be an employee of IZON"
 * No confirmation that Kazan is autistic in the first film. "Mentally challenged" or "mentally handicapped" is about the best we can do.  Also, I think it might be a stretch to say that this scene suggests Kazan was an employee of IZON.  Too much speculation.  Obviously we're supposed to infer that Kazan possibly underwent a similar procedure to that of Winn, but how or why that came about (such as being an IZON employee) is totally unknown.  Patrick of J (talk) 21:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Good points. Also, is it confirmed that this is actually a prequel?  It kind of seems like some people merely speculated that this is a prequel.  68.147.192.41 (talk) 04:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)  BrianPansky (talk) 04:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "Izon" is a name used only in the second film, which also established the existence of "alternate dimensions" containing duplicates of some people. Since the film's poster (used in this article) does NOT depict the doors as having a stylized capital I (which would be appropriate if the filmmakers wanted to imply Izon was involved), there's really no reason to assume any of these films have a firm connection with one another chronologically...or even take place in the same fictional universe.  The writers have made no particular effort to build a continuity of details, but rather of themes.  Asat (talk) 16:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Not a base
I don't think the liquid sprayed onto Ryjkin is meant to represent a strong base. Chemical burns from bases quickly start to cause pain (if not as quickly as acid burns). The liquid would feel soapy to the touch and taste funny. Ryjkin thinks it's water for quite some time, licking it off his skin. My theory is the liquid is meant to contain a digestive enzyme of some sort.--Cancun771 (talk) 15:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Minor plot corrections
1. There are only two buttons in the elevator: UP and DOWN. 2. Dodd does not in any way suggest the Jax eviscerate him; Jax quickly comes up with the solution on his own. It might also be worth noting that the forehead tattoos on the soldier in Rains' dream and on Haskell (as well as the orientation of the doors on vertical walls in the film) feature a stylized capital "I", 90 degrees different from the image in the poster used for this article. Asat (talk) 09:43, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Tag review
"This article's plot summary may be too long or excessively detailed." I think this can be removed CRAuser (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Listed cast member missing from Plot section
Diego Klattenhoff as Quigley is listed in the Cast section, but his character is not mentioned at all in the Plot section.124.37.83.250 (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)