Talk:Cullen House/Archive 1

Copy edit queries

 * Could Charles McKean be properly introduced in both the lead and, especially, the main article.
 * Similarly Walker and Woodworth.
 * Is "Baronialized" a word? If so, is it spelt with a z in Scots English?
 * Text: "On 16 March 1600, work was started on a large new house"; Infobox: "| start_date = 20 March 1600".

That's about all I could find. Please check the edits I have made. It looks more than ready for GAN to me. Caveat emptor and I am sure that the assessor will pick up lots of things I have missed. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated . Responses:
 * Do you think adding 'architectural historian/s' is sufficient introduction, or do you think I should give a little bit more (e.g. Charles McKean, formerly professor of Architectural History at the University of Dundee...)?
 * Your choice. How you have it is fine. (When I see unintroduced names I mentally insert "Who is a bloke I met down the pub.")
 * Baronialised/zed is definitely a word, although I accept it's a bit jargony. Both the Pevsner book (Walker & Woodworth) and Charles McKean use it in describing this building; HES don't use the word in their listing documents, they call them "additions and alterations... ...in Scottish Baronial style by David Bryce", but I see it used in listing documents for other buildings, and also in the writings of authors such as John Gifford and A J Youngson (both prolific writers on Scottish architecture), in the Dictionary of Scottish Architecture, in entries in the Buildings at Risk register... it seems to be fairly widely used in the sources. Perhaps I should link it to Scottish_baronial_architecture instead though?
 * 1. Fine, just checking. 2. That is what you do link it to, and it seems a fine link to me.
 * On the spelling of the word, the sources are mixed. My sense is that most of the academic sources (all the Pevsner books, A J Youngson, Henry Noltie writing for EUP, Ranald MacInnes writing in the Journal of Design History) tend to use a z, whereas more journalistic sources and online databases use an s. Charles McKean is an outlier - he was an academic, but used an s. Maybe it's an Oxford spelling thing? I'm not wedded to the z, if wouldn't revert someone if they thought s was more appropriate.
 * I bow to the sources. My experience is that non-US z's in similar formulations are unusual, so I wanted to check.
 * The question of capitalisation is also slightly vexed, as the sources are inconsistent. W&W capitalise it, McKean doesn't; in other places, I see Gifford sometimes capitalising it and sometimes not. My personal feeling is that it should be capitalised - Scottish Baronial is a specific architectural style, and so should be treated as a proper noun, and words which are derived from proper nouns are usually capitalised - but I'm not really a grammarian, I wouldn't fight if someone disagreed strongly.
 * Me neither. Capitalising it as a verb seems a little odd, but I couldn't explain why. You have a rationale for your usage, so that seems fine.

Girth Summit  (blether) 08:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Gog the Mild (talk) 09:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks - will submit to GAN. Re: capitalising verbs, if I were to go through and change all the spellings to AmEn, I think I would have Americanised (not americanised) it. On the other hand, milk gets pasteurised, rather than Pasteurised, so... meh? Girth Summit  (blether)  10:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know. This one seems a bit like W/westernis/zed. I also note that the article you link to is Scottish baronial architecture, which then uses an upper case B throughout the article. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)