Talk:Cultural achievements of pre-colonial Philippines

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Proposed Move
I am hereby proposing this move, and also advocating the creation of History of the Philippines (before 900) as a redirect, as per the discussion at Talk:History of the Philippines (Before 1521). - Alternativity (talk) 14:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * A refinement of the proposal, I'm suggesting that it be beefed up with information from History of the Philippines (before 1521) It's either that or it be renamed Culture of Ancient Philippines or something similar. The overlap of terminology is just confusing, prodding me to propose this move. - Alternativity (talk) 14:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Yo-Yo
The yo-yo, as a Filipino pre-colonial weapon, is a myth. Duncan owner(s), early manufacturers of the yo-yo in America, may have embellished rumor or invented the idea of the yo-yo as a weapon. See http://www.personal.anderson.ucla.edu/eloisa.borah/filfaqs.htm#yoyo for more details. It would be reasonable to remove reference to the yo-yo from the Art of War section.

Tatoosh (talk) 00:00, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Inaccuracies, Proposed Deletion
2nd paragraph is based on the now-debunked Wave Migration Theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_the_Philippines#Migration_Theories Sistermoo (talk) 15:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I concur. - Alternativity (talk) 16:20, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The majority of this article is based upon ethnophilic descriptions of history, which are acceptedby almost no reliable historians. For example, the Banue rice terraces were built around 2 thousand years ago, not 3 as the article suggests. The article also states that gun technology existed in the philippines in ancient times, while the first recorded usage of gun technology was in China during the 1100s, a great distance from the commonly accepted definition of the ancient times as being before the fall of the western roman empire. Mining was not practiced by the natives in the phillippines, and jewelry made in the phillippines had never reached egypt. Aguaculture did notexist in the phillippines in antient times either. Greek traders had not met phillippino traders, and the medieval times are frequently rfered to as the ancient times in the article. Austronesians did not come from China. The article also uses adjectives indicative of opinions, such as good, or most. Source number 1 was cited too frequently, and is unrealiable. Grammatical errors are present throughout the article as well. The article should be deleted as soon as possible, due to its various inconsistancies and false information. Flyingpenguin327 (talk) 08:31, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

2nd para of the lede moved here for discussion/improvement.
I've moved the 2nd para of the lede here for discussion. The moved material reads: "These early Filipinos possessed a culture and technology that were quite advanced considering the timeline of history of science when it flourished. Waves of migrants who came to settle in the islands contributed to the development of ancient Philippine civilization. Prehistoric aborigines, a cross of Afro-Asiatic and Austro-Aborigines, now called Negritos (Aeta, Agta, Ayta) reached the islands by way of land bridges around 15,000 to 30,000 BC, and they were excellent hunters and food gatherers. In its midst, other ancient civilizations were also thriving and evolving. The Proto-Malays, a Mongol-Asiatic race, arrived around 2500 BC using oceanic vessels called balangays, and they brought with them their knowledge in seafaring, farming, building of houses from trees and creation of fire for cooking. The next to arrive were the Duetero-Malays, of India-Asiatic race (Indian, Chinese, Siamese, Arabic), that prevailed with a more superior and advanced culture. They possessed their own systems of writing, knowledge and skills in agriculture, metallurgy, jewelry-making as well as boat-building. When the Spaniards came to the islands in the 15th century, industries such as mining, agriculture, fishing and pottery were already in place and contacts with other Asian nations had been long established."

As written, it appears to contradict info in the Prehistory of the Philippines article. It reads like original research, and ought to cite supporting sources. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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