Talk:Culture of Argentina/Archive 1

I change a small detail
I changed "influence of people of Spanish and italian descent" for people of European descent (mostly Italian and Spanish). Because you are forgetting that even if 70% of the immigration came form Italy and Spain, there are a big percentage 30% that influenced in the Argentinian culture. Like French (at a great level in architecture), Polish (mazurkas and polkas are part of the influence in tango), Irish and English. And of course Welsh and Swiss in the Patagonia.

why in the beggining it has to include there is some african influence?? can please somebody tell me WHERE?? the biggest example I can think of is the murga/candombe which is not as important in Argentina as in Uruguay, and in Argentina you'd have to talk about all its folklore before talking about candombe. Every subject wants to mention the African influence on Argentina; demographics, culture, tango. PLEASE, do some research a JUSTIFY these statements. I think the Native American influence is a hundred times more important and notorious than any african influence. Guchogu 08:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

There is not a L. America culture
""Argentine culture, albeit primarily Latin American""

There is not such a thing as a L. American culture. All the countries in the AMericas are differents and all of them a result of different ethnic and races groups. Dominican Republic (mostly black influenced) don't share much of its culture with Mexico (mostly aztec and Spanish) and with Canada (mostly French, English, German and Irish influenced) for example.

Uruguay has a totally different culture than the US or Peru.

What is a L. AMerican culture?

I didn't know that there was such a thing as an culture in AMerica. There are melting pots, and each of them has created a pseudo-culture as result imo.

Agreed, this is not very clear. But if there is such a thing as a European culture, then there is such a thing as a modern Latin American culture. Don't hesite to improve the article if you feel the edit is wrong/unclear (replace "L.A." by "unique"?). The original phrase was misleading, however, stating that Argentina was an island of European culture in the Americas. Sprotch 13:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

That is true, I Do agree there is no Such thing as "Latin American Culture" that is just a fake label Americans put on Latin America to make seem different. We are all different in terms of culture, Peru for example has very indigeious culture it is not by any means Latin American because there culture has been there since the Spaniards arrived. It would be very wrong to say so. Then You have Argentina that is a European culture and Haiti that is mostly African even there language is strongly influenced by African languages like Wolfo. My point is that there really is no such thing as Latin American Culture as said above, and we should try to keep a netural view on this matter. Latin America is a diverse region and should be treated as such.(XGustaX 14:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC))

Argentina before European settlements?
How is it possible? Do you realize that: ? Methinks that you can only speak of Guarani culture, "Inca" culture, etc. before 1810. And the colonial (i.e. Spanish + creole) culture was much more homogeneous at that time. User:Ejrrjs says What? 20:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Argentina is a Latin-derived name
 * 2) There was no political entity (empire, kingdom, tribe, etc.) that covered the whole territory?
 * 3) Those political entities spanned across current Argentine borders?

There were not incas in Argentina only small tribes the largest guaranies and mapuches anyway, they make 0,8% of the population and they haven't reaLLY INFLUENCED THE CULTURE OF THE COUNTRY (EXCEPT FOR THE MATE MAYBE), (oops sorry for the caps letters). Just like in the United states amerinidians didn't influence the culture because of the immigration and the small tribes they were compared to the north south american and central americans civilizations.

They only were important at some point before the more heavy immigration waves back in 1869 when the were (tho mixed with spanish as mestizos) a third of the population. But there were only a million of people accordding to the census of that year in Argentina (so they were 300000), and over 6 million immigrants arrived till 1940.

European identity
Regarding the "NPOV" removal of my comment regarding Argentine imitation of Europe, I'd like to submit that it is not NPOV. It is considered common knowledge in Argentina that there was no racial mix between the locals and the Europeans (or at least, very little). Denying that there is an Argentine culture anchored in Latin American and distinct from European culture is part of "Argentine Culture". Argentines believe that as European descendants, they are a mixture of Europeans and that their culture reflects that: it is European, not Argentine. They try as hard as they can to imitate various bits of Europe, or at least claim to be. This is partially reflected in the constant comparisons between Argentina and Europe (i.e. Bs As = Paris, Bariloche=Switzerland, etc.). This may not sound PC, but it is an integral part of their culture. I will therefore rephrase and repost this comment, hopefully in an acceptable way. Sprotch 16:37, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

i would like to know if anyone can help me find information on Argentina.

Well if you want to get more information you can visit this site: http.//cometoargentina.tripod.com

Missing things
References to main articles (if exist)
 * Arts (Xul Solar, Julio Bocca, classic music Lalo Schifrin, etc)


 * Cinema
 * A bit about Argentine cinema (The Official Story, Nueve Rreinas)
 * Important Actors (Norma Aleandro, Federico Luppi, etc)


 * Sports
 * Boxing (Golden period of Argentine Boxing, Carlos Monzón, many etc)
 * Racing (Juan Manuel Fangio, Carlos Reutemann)
 * Truco!


 * Religion (Religion in Argentina)


 * Gastronomy (Cuisine of Argentina) (see draft translation from Gastronomía de Argentina)
 * More on wines (Argentine wines)

and more

--Mariano July 4, 2005 11:36 (UTC)


 * In particular, we need a visual arts section - MALBA, Xul Solar, Benito Quinquela Martín, León Ferrari, etc.
 * Mtiedemann 09:35, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Bilingualism
Though I've removed 201.235.104.113's edits about bilingualism, the fact is that many Argentines in some age groups, in some socio-economical groups, in certain locations, and in certain fields of expertise can speak English with moderate fluency or better. Mentioning porteños smells of Capital-centrism (if that's a word!), even if that was not the intention. Statistics, anyone? --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 01:48, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. And even if they/we speak it, its far from Bilingualism, misa think. -Mariano (t/c) 07:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I've heard of a proliferation of Call centres in Argentina that answer to calls from English speaking because of the potential of low-salaries English speakers. This might be a tip if a someone want to add a reference to our Fluency in English. Mariano (t/c) 12:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, most call centers serve Spain's customers. Although I've seen a big English-language billboard by General Paz Ave. asking for qualified call center operators. Ejrrjs | What? 18:53, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

nope from personal experience i have 5 friends working in english speaking call centers. English language is mandatory in Argentinian schools since 1994.

similarity between Spanish, Italian & Portuguese
The sentence:

Most Argentines can understand standard spoken Italian and Portuguese, due to their relatedness with Spanish.

is an overstatement. They can understand some words and phrases in the other two languages.David(Talk • Contribs) 21:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

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Change from third person to first person...
In the last section of the article, the position changes from third person to first person. Is this an unstated quote, or should this be removed? Thank you, Jforder2 (talk) 00:07, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I second this - it’s very jarring. I left my own comments about the essay style which isn’t appropriate for Wikipedia - as far as I can tell this is purely a personal perspective from an Argentinian which shouldn’t really be part of an article. Caywinter (talk) 20:13, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah, wait, I stand corrected - they are writing from personal experience visiting the country. Caywinter (talk) 20:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Values section
I’ve added the Essay-like tag to the “Values” section due to the in-text citations, narrative structure and quotation. I’ll check the Spanish article to see if a translation from it would be useful but as is, I don’t feel like the section is written in an encyclopedic manner. The grammar isn’t great, though I realise it was probably not written by a native English speaker which is understandable. - Caywinter (talk) 20:08, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

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