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Underestimation of african and indigenous contributions
Unfortunatelly, another poor description of the brazilian culture, underestimating (maybe sometimes "erasing") the african and indigenous contributions. This eurocentrism must be correctly balanced in Wikipedia, in order to garantee a rich and detailed description of each culture. There is almost no information about the african and indigenous religions, nothing about Capoeira (the real brazilian sport, and not soccer, a sport imported from England), few or no information about indigenous food, many musical rithms (and very important) such as pagode, forro, baiao and many others were pratically ignored, there is almost no picture of black, mixed and indigenous brazilians and even the picture of brazilians follow an eurocentric order. It seems that the article describe sharply the origins of european brazilian (the description is made country by country), but there is no interest in describe the etnical groups that coumpound african people nor indigenous (even to say from what region of Africa they came, or to say that there are about 270 indigenous etnical groups). These caracteristcs make the article to be very untruth and not enough informative.

Mulato
I changed the text about the "mulata" being the tipical brazilian. It is true that the tipical brazilian is multi-ethincal, but "mulato" is a term used only for half-black, half-white people.

Carmen Miranda
Added the information that Carmen Miranda was, in fact, portuguese, not brazilian.

16:20, 25 May 2005 (UTC)eduardo.krk

Coffe and water
I removed the bit about coffee being like tea for the Brits, because it means nothing without some cultural context. If coffee is important, say it's important. If drinking coffee is an important daily ritual, or a rite of manhood or a spiritual experience, then say that. Tuf-Kat

That's fine. It actually does have some significance considering that most Brazilians drink coffee for breakfast everday. In fact, the word for "breakfast" means "coffee in the morning" (cafe da manha) in Portuguese. Because much of the world was colonized by the British ppl assume the world at large drinks tea. This was my point to differentiate Brazil's culture from others. Coffee was probably consumed early on because the water was so dirty anyway they thought of a manner to make it more presentable. So I guess it might be considered a daily ritual. What do you think? Nhishands4ever
 * All that would be good to put in -- I just thought the original was so vague (at least for me) as to be meaningless. Tuf-Kat 03:17, Sep 4, 2003 (UTC)


 * The water in brazil is very sanitary... and in much cases it is mineral natural water, in some rural places, water can have some color, but this is minimal. i dont know what is this font of information, but it is wrong Suns


 * We drink our coffe with milk, smart guy. Did you know that is a common fact that some airport guards have to stop some tourist from embarking back to their home country because they thought things like that about our water and did not bath for their whole stay (some weeks) in brazil? I think I should add how bath is sacred on the article.--Alexandre Van de Sande 22:45, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

^^^ That is true. Brazilians are supremely hygienic, to the point of being excessive.


 * More presentable? Yes. Cleaner? Hardly. It's likely that the waters in Brazil back then were much cleaner than they are nowadays, probably cleaner than the usual in Europe. People were way too dirty in the XVI/XVII/XVIII centuries anyway. (And mostly they though that drinking pure water wasn't healthy as well)Diana Prallon (talk) 01:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

South
I like the article, but I think the comment the south is the second richest in terms of culture" may be potentially problematic. There may be things from South which may make their 'cultural richness' more bovious to a Brazilian person (especially the influence of immigrant populations which may stand out to a Brazilian, who may take other less foreing manifestations of culture in other regions for granted)... but that is not to say theat they are in fact culturally richer than another state. I left it there, but would like to raise the point (and hopefully have the comment removed/ fixed.). --> I have also changed the order of two sentences around in the 'day-to-day' bit, so that the ethnicity comment contrasts with the 'instead' of the social class comment (otherwise, it was unclear what the 'instead' refered too). Thanks guys. AnandaLima 00:53, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ethnic
another quick note: I am still not sure that it is good idea to say 'instead' there (day-to-day section comment on social class), as it may misleading in suggesting that there is no ethnicity classification (e.g. racism) in Brazil. (while it is true that social class seems to be very important, there is still some consideration of ethnicity and racism. I only edited for clarity and have not changed the idea expressed by the original writer, but perhaps it is better to take the 'instead' part of the comment and simply add the social class comment without implying that it replaces ethnicity considerations. What do you think? AnandaLima 00:58, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

While there is racism in Brazil, I still find it hard to believe its as potent as that found in other nations.

Spam filter
(http://www.ju li and i bbell.com/brazil/brazil.html Julian Dibbel) is a englishman who lived in brazil many years and wrote fantastic, profound and light hearted essays on brazilian culture, specially the (http://www.juli andi bbel l.com/texts/brasilia.html) mysticisms of brasilia, (http://www.juli an di bbell.com/tex ts/ gil_tropicalismo.html)tropicalismo, and even http://www.wired.com/wired/arc hive/12.11/linux.html  open-source soft

I can't add those links on the article. our spam filter thinks nice guy dibbel is a spammer. How do I fix it?--Alexandre Van de Sande 22:45, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bad English
The article must be revised by someone. It contains some mistakes. For instance, there is no such word as "ufanistic"... Manuel Mendes de Carvalho 15:00, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Religions in Brazil
While the autor has been very fortunate in hi sexemplification of Brazil largely multi-cultural background, he made a grave mistake by saying that "brazilian catholics have adopted some elements of Buddism, Hinduism..."(and so on).

The brazilian Catholic Church is one solid institution, and the official religion to the vast majority (85% +) of the brazilian people. In certain areas (like the NorthEast) elements of african religions were incorporated by the slaves into catholicism so that they could still worship their deities without being persecuted, and not the other way around, as the article puts it.

Also, there are no elements of Buddism, Xantoism, Hinduism or any other eastern religious linked to Catholicism in Brazil. Nevertheless, religious freedom is a deep and respected quality of Brazil.


 * According to the official 2000 census, Roman Catholics account for only 75 % of the Brazilian population (NOT 85 % + as you have suggested). Moreover, Brazil has not had an official religion since the establishment of the republican regime in 1889. Like France or the United States, the Brazilian Republic is strictly secular.


 * Seriously. Hinduism? I could same a little Buddhism, probably coming from the Japanese immigrants, but not the other things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.193.225 (talk) 00:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Family
I appreciate the dedication to do this topic about brazilian culture but i think this is a stereotype for brazilian family that i don't believe shows the reality of Brasil, this "curiosity" should show the fonts that have guided to this statement. I laughed a lot when he said that was common in Brasil people leave their work for a couple of hours to lunch together, I am sorry but this Brasil that he describes belong to what century ? XVII ?


 * I read one readers note about this issue saying that people in Brazil don't have the habits of having lunch together and resting before returning to work, also that this is an old image of another century.. well, that's not correct.

Maybe it doesn't apply to every family to have habits such as these but in Recife and Sao Paulo, it was always very common to see that. My family has always had these habits and also my friends' families.


 * It used to be pretty normal at least until the 60's, but surely isn't that common nowadays. Diana Prallon (talk) 01:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Beach Culture
Look at Brazilian beach culture. If that contribution is invalid in "Culture of Brazil," then you may as well say that Brazil isn't a soccer country.

If you want to claim vanity or point of view, I would suggest visiting modern-day Brazil and examining the beaches as if an anthropologist, interested in sexual mores. What I say is certifiable fact.

There is no vanity. Brazil is a culture that is known to fetishize the female backside as opposed to the slightly more common "frontal fetishism" in North America. I think it is worth noting.

Culture is not culture without sexuality, period.

Please do not erase my contribution.


 * It needs to be sourced. Find published newspaper or TV sources that will back up what you say. You can really say what you said about Brazilian women about any nationality of women, and any nationality of men. Your wording wasn't very NPOV either. Mike H. That's hot 07:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I see where the NPOV was at fault in my contribution. If I was to remove point-of-view, however, I think my contribution would be worth keeping. Perhaps agreed? Onto sources:

As you spoke of sources.. I have found several Internet articles of reputable stature that support my statement, and in acceptable detail. I don't know about published newspapers, but from what I've seen, read, heard about Brazilian beach culture, my comments still seem undeniably solid, perhaps even noble. Also, worthwhile of this cultural article.. minus the NPOV or vanity of my last entry.

I'd like to give it another go 'round.


 * Then go ahead. If it's sourced and in a more neutral light, I don't see why it can't be in the article. :) Mike H. That's hot 09:44, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

This article is really bad
I am sorry to say, but that is probably one of the worst articles I've seen on the Wikipedia so far. It is just a useless collection of clichés and stereotypes with plenty of factually inaccurate information. As a matter of fact, I wonder if an article on "Brazilian culture" should even exist considering that Brazil is actually a big, diverse, multicultural country where culture properly shows great variation depending on one's regional, ethnic/racial or social background. I suggest that this article be officially considered as a candidate for deletion.200.177.0.128 03:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Article not well written
I read the article and it is a transliteration of Brazilian Portuguese into English. For example, "Culture of Brazil"(Cultura do Brasil) should be Brazilian Culture (which is more English like). I will edit and expand the Brazilian Culture article. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Designium (talk • contribs)
 * The tone on this page is still very problematic including all sorts of weird statements like "While the ideal image of some cultures is the idea of a white Protestant living next to an African-background person or a Jew..." What culture? What does this have to do with anything? There are a lot of "some people" referred to in this article and it doesn't sound encyclopedaeic at all. Moreover - what is meant by "Curiosities"? I'll try to clean this up more - AKeen 16:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I just removed the section previously titled "curiosities," which read more like a "quirks of Brazilians" guide. The same stereotypes about "always being late," "having a big, happy family over for a meal", etc are not applicable to all Brazilians, and can be similarly used to describe almost any other culture on the planet. They had no place being in an article about the culture of Brazil. - AKeen 21:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Added Cuisine and Religion sections
I removed the vandalism and other minor things. (somebody has put that Cows flys in Brazil!) I added the cuisine part and I separated the original introductory paragraph into a section on its own. Further additions will be made. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Designium (talk • contribs)
 * Designium is on the right track. Following this lead, I'm creating a new outline for the page. Instead of concentrating mostly on idiosyncrasies and "a typical Brazilian...." - the article needs to include sections on:

-AKeen 16:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Carnival
 * 2) Cuisine (Already here)
 * 3) Cinema
 * 4) Literature
 * 5) Music
 * 6) Sports
 * 7) Religion (Already here)

About recent music in Brazil
''Ever since 1985 when Brazil became democratic, popular music, such as hip hop became a widely "unprecedented fashion"[7] However, social classes developed between the poor, middle class, and wealthy. Music was influenced by race and equality facts. For example, poor people would talk about how corrupt the government is, the violent and low class life the live in, unequal wealth distribution, and drugs [8] Nevertheless, traditional music, such as samba, managed to keep the country's music scene united.''

I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. I agree musical diversity has increased a lot in the recent times, mostly because of influence by foreign music (rap, hip hop, reggae, etc.)... but I must say that, as a whole, the Brazilian music is nowadays MUCH less worried about social and political issues than before. During the dictatorship period (1964-1985), there was an extreme diversification of music which talked about liberty, poverty, torture and other social issues. However, since the 80's and, especially, in the 90's the trend has been that the music is more and more plain entertainment. The most usual subjects are just passion, love betray, cute women, etc. I don't know who wrote it, but it DOESN'T represent the recent production of Brazilian music. Some rap and hip hop artists do talk about social issues, but it's a minority in comparison to the whole ammount of musical genres of Brazil. I think this text should be changed, because it is based on opinions, and not on verifiable aspects such as the musical hits of the last years in Brazil, none of which were clearly "worried" about society and politics.

-YgorCoelho 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Spam Relevance
Instead of adding my website on Brazilian culture to the External Links section, I'd like to ask here first. Is spam really spam if its relevant?

Secondly, are the existing external links really hubs of cultural information for those looking to learn more about Brazil? The first link is in Portuguese which doesn't help an English-speaker and the second link happens to be to my local Brazilian Embassy (which I have emailed in regards to my site and their response was "If it isn't governmental, we can't link to it"). So basically both external links aren't of much use to someone interested in Brazilian culture.

I would add information to various sections about Brazil on Wikipedia but what my website is in reality, is a spruced-up compilation of Wikipedia articles themselves and Youtube references on Brazilian culture.

Thank you for your time.

- Adam Lee editor I Eyes On Brazil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.165.102 (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Acting in a team
I was missing a section about the way how Brazilians act in community. Brazilians value acting in a community, which has plenty of pleasant aspects in work interactions and life in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.24.5.13 (talk) 20:14, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

potential resource

 * At War With São Paulo’s Establishment, Black Paint in Hand by Simon Romero NYT January 28, 2012 99.35.12.74 (talk) 05:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761554342_3/Brazil.html
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120111193350/http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/country/brazil/culture.html to http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/country/brazil/culture.html
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 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761554342_5/Brazil.html
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761554342_5/Brazil.html
 * Added tag to http://www.multirio.rj.gov.br/portal/area.asp?box=N%F3s+da+Escola&area=Na+sala+de+aula&objeto=na_sala_de_aula&id=2719
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080607134940/http://www.rio2016.org.br/en/default.aspx to http://www.rio2016.org.br/en/Default.aspx

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Adding information about social customs
I am doing some research about the culture of Brazil. I am going to add a paragraph about social customs. Buzzybuzz12 (talk) 14:15, 13 November 2019 (UTC)