Talk:Culture of Eritrea/Archive 1

Religion of Eritrea
Under the religious area there is a lack of citing of facts stated; specifically about Eritrea being one of the first global Christian states. As well as this, the English of this section is poor. Dexx05626 (talk) 03:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Ties
Per Amare Tekle, Eritrea has significant traditional ties with neighboring countries in Northeast Africa: "Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan have significant similarities emanating not only from culture, religion, traditions, history and aspirations but also from being in comparable levels of income and economic development. For the most part, the peoples of these countries share common values. They appreciate similar foods and spices, beverages and sweets, fabrics and tapestry, lyrics and music, and jewelry and fragrances. They even compare in sizes and looks and are hard to tell". Middayexpress (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Your source is 20 years old first of all. The economic development of Somalia is not near today's economic development of Eritrea, Ethiopia for example. There are some similarities between some of the horn countries. But the similarities between countries varies and one can interpret the quote from the book in different ways, apply commons sense and logic. For instance Eritrea is more influenced by Ethiopia, it shares the same religions Christianity orthodox, islam, it shares almost exact the same food & beverages for instance and traditional clothes. A reason is that all of the ethnic groups that are found in Eritrea can be found in Ethiopia. It is not strange to figure that out since Eritrea was once part of Ethiopia. A difference in this two countries was the colonization by Italia that has influenced the modern Eritrean culture. If you go back Eritrea is influenced by Ethopia, italia and some countries from the Near East.


 * However If you look at Somalia for example, they are influenced by countries like india, kenya, ethopia, arabs, djubouti, persians, Europeans (serbia, England, italia). They are homogeneous people unlike the Eritrean/Ethiopians/Sudanese and they are all Muslims, this affect traditions and values. Their culture are also shaped by clans structure etc unlike these other countries. Even if they are somewhat similar to other horn of Africa countries studies show that Somalis are very unique in Africa since practically all Somalis share the same religion, traditions, values and are one ethnic group (somali). They also differ from other horn people when it comes to features, even if the closest to them are horn people and not west Africans for example. I suggest you to be more precise when highlighting a similarity of significance.(Vetrisimino0 (talk) 15:02, 13 June 2014 (UTC)).


 * Like most Eritreans, ethnic Somalis' closest ties -- cultural, linguistic, physical and genetic -- are with other Afro-Asiatic populations in Northeast Africa (not Serbians or Kenyans/West Africans). You are welcome to believe otherwise, but it won't change this reality. More on these ancestral ties, from Tesfaye Zergaw : "Ethiopian peoples share similar cultural and linguistic identity with many peoples of Somalia, Djibouti and Eritrea. Including Ethiopia, these countries are located in the Horn of Africa." Middayexpress (talk) 17:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I advise you to look further, since the things you are writing is not based on fact or scientific facts. Somalis do not share same genetics as Eritreans. You refer to that Eritrea and Somalia has ties with other Afro- Asiatic populations in northeast-Africa. But as you know northeast Africa consist of many countries and is an extremely large area. And similarities varies from country to country and the locations plays a big matter. The question asked here is if Eritrea share ethnic-physical-genetically-cultural-linguistic ties with Somalia as you write. Somalia's culture are influenced also by Kenya, India and all other that I mentioned above unlike Eritrea. The source as you mentions says "Ethiopian" people share similar cultural and linguistic identity with many people of Somalia, Djibouti,Eritreans. It does not say that Eritrea or Somalia shares similar cultural and linguistic identity to each other. How could one draw the conclusion that Eritreans share similarities with Somalia based on that? They do not have similar religions, ethnic groups, music, traditions, cuisine. Linguistic they do not talk the same language since Somalis only speak Somali. When it comes to language all are Afro-Asiatic languages (hundreds of langues), however if you look at it Eritrea consist of mainly Semitic languages. Few of Eritrea's ethnic groups speak Cushtic languages, yes. But these are one or two minority groups and their Cushctic language are not in the same subcategory as the Cushtic language that are spoken in Somalia, and they are far from being the same languages. Eritreans do not share the same genetics as Somalis since Somalians are mixed with Kenyans,indians, arabs and other groups.


 * note: Even if Eritrea was a part of Ethiopia its shares similarities with only some ethnic groups of Ethiopia not all (mainly those in north Ethiopia). Ethiopia has 90 Ethnic groups, and Eritrea has 9, about all of these 9 are found in Ethiopia. Somalians have similarities with Ethiopians but its certainly wrong to say that they are the same as the similarities between Eritrea-Ethiopia.(Vetrisimino0 (talk) 11:14, 14 June 2014 (UTC))


 * It's pointless claiming that Eritrea and Somalia "do not have similar religions, ethnic groups, music, traditions, cuisine", when Amare Tekle -- the Chairman of the Eritrean Referendum Commission -- indicates the exact opposite of that in the OP. But of course, you dismissed that as an "old" assertion, apparently unaware of who the scholar is. At any rate, it's now pretty evident that you are not Eritrean (despite your username), and clearly have limited knowledge about the Horn region and its Afro-Asiatic majority. This is especially apparent from your attempts to instead tie Kenya (a disparate Bantu/Nilotic majority country) with Somalia, your absurd claim that Somalis are mixed with said groups and others, and especially your suggestion now that Eritrea doesn't have ties with Somalia because "Eritrea consist of mainly Semitic languages". To this end, your assertion that the Cushitic languages that are spoken in Eritrea "are not in the same subcategory as the Cushtic language that are spoken in Somalia" is especially telling since you claimed earlier in one of your edit summaries that "Eri was a part of Eth and an italian colony[...] Language's comes are from the same branch as arabic". In actuality, southern Somalia was an Italian colony too (not that that even makes a difference). Tigrinya is also part of the South Semitic sub-group of the Afro-Asiatic family's Semitic branch, while Arabic is part of the Central Semitic sub-group. By contrast, both Saho and Afar are part of the same East Cushitic sub-group of the Afro-Asiatic family's Cushitic branch as Somali; so they are ironically closer. Even if this hadn't been the case, the languages are still part of the same Afro-Asiatic family, which of course cannot be said for most languages spoken in Bantu/Nilotic majority Kenya. From the foregoing, it's now confirmed that you are objecting to the ties between Eritrea and Somalia/Sudan for personal, ideological reasons. Unfortunately, this is against Wikipedia's WP:NOTADVOCATE policy. Middayexpress (talk) 16:36, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Please stop with your personal attacks, keep it on a discussional level. Amare Tekle is not claiming anything that you are writing. Its your abbility to interpret a source that is the issue here. I am Eritrean, and have an have deep knowledge about my country and the horn of Africa in particuallary the region between Ethiopia and Eritrea, that why I signed up to the Wiki project of Eritrea. I will provide you sources that prove's Somalians and Eritrans do not have same anscestry, religion, traditions, cuisine, languages. And since you are claiming the oppistite I suggest you provide sources with simliarties that has influenced the culture of Eritrea. Then we may come to an conclusion based on facts and sources? From what Im noticing by your posts and edits, they lack sources, and the ones that do have sources has not always been interpret in the right manner. And I dont know if its for personal, and idelogical reason, as you mention it goes the rules of Wikipedia's WP:NOTADVOCATE and you are by your actions breaking these rules. From your part I get the strange feeling that you do not want to recognize the differences between these countries, instead you go on about that they are all the same when in reality they are not.(Vetrisimino0 (talk) 12:00, 15 June 2014 (UTC))


 * I am trying to resolve this issue, but you keep moving the goalposts around. First you claim that there is no source when there actually is one. Then you assert that the source itself is the problem and that it's too "old". After you are told just who the author Amare Tekle is (a prominent Eritrean scholar), it's apparently not the source itself that's the problem but rather my "abbility to interpret a source that is the issue here". Now you claim that I suggested that Eritreans and Somalis have the "same anscestry, religion, traditions, cuisine, languages" -- a strawman argument. This is something I never stated above, nor in the wiki-text. What I actually wrote is that, per Amare Tekle, Eritrea has significant traditional ties with neighboring countries in Northeast Africa: "Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan have significant similarities emanating not only from culture, religion, traditions, history and aspirations but also from being in comparable levels of income and economic development. For the most part, the peoples of these countries share common values. They appreciate similar foods and spices, beverages and sweets, fabrics and tapestry, lyrics and music, and jewelry and fragrances. They even compare in sizes and looks and are hard to tell" . The wiki-text also doesn't claim that these "historical ties that has influenced the culture of Eritrea". It simply states what Tekle does; namely that "the culture of Eritrea shares historic commonalities with the traditions of the other Horn of Africa countries of Ethiopia, Somalia, Djibouti and Sudan." If my wording was the real issue here, all you had to do was rephrase it to bring it closer to what you believe Tekle asserts. Instead, you have again attempted to remove the Tekle assertion altogether. One can only conclude from this that it's the historical ties themselves that you have issues with. At any rate, as a compromise, I've quoted and attributed the assertion directly. This way, it cannot be claimed that I am supposedly misinterpreting Tekle. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I never wrote that it does not exist a source. The quote is correct but its the usage, interpreting and your literal translation of the information that im objecting. And is not necssary in the top of the page. If you seriously belive that they all have the same traditions or similarities when it comes to religions, ethnic groups, values, food and beverges, ancestry you are totaly wrong.


 * The quote of the book is "Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan have significant similarities emanating not only from culture, religion, traditions, history and aspirations but also from being in comparable levels of income and economic development. For the most part, the peoples of these countries share common values..... I pointed out that simlarities varies since evevry country does not have same similarity to each other, which has to do with tradions, values, culture, ethnic groups and religion. He is not writing that there exist a exact same simalarity between every country specific. And he is not stating that there exist a similarty between Somalia and Eritrea.


 * The discussion first started when you wrote that Eritrea's culture was shaped by its historical ties with Djibouti, Somali, Sudan, and Ethopia, Italy etc. I changed it and only left Ethiopia, Italy (Eritrea was created as an Italian colony) and Near East since there is no specific cultural ties/similarities between Somalia-Eritrea that has shaped the Eritrean culture. There exist only betweeen Eritrea-Ethiopia-Italy. And there exist similary between Somalia-Ethiopia-Djibouti which I can prove. Since as mentioned Eritrea and Somalia do not share same values, culture, food & beverages, religions, traditions, ethnic groups and traditional clothes. The source is not necessecary really since the qoute from author is very broad and not specific. Its not neccersary on this page since there exist a horn of Africa page on this topic. The mentioning of similar economic devloloment and income has no relevance if you see it from todays perspective. Since the source is 20 years old and the economic devolopment is not the same as 20 years ago. Eritrea,Ethiopia,Sudan has experinced a massive economic devolpment in the last years in comparision to Djibouti & Somalia. (Vetrisimino0 (talk) 15:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC)).


 * You are basically now arguing against Amare Tekle (not me), the Chairman of the Eritrean Referendum Commission, since the assertion in question is directly from him. I'm not interpreting anything. Here again is what Tekle actually indicates, in its full context: "Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan have significant similarities emanating not only from culture, religion, traditions, history and aspirations but also from being in comparable levels of income and economic development. For the most part, the peoples of these countries share common values. They appreciate similar foods and spices, beverages and sweets, fabrics and tapestry, lyrics and music, and jewelry and fragrances. They even compare in sizes and looks and are hard to tell" . It's interesting that you still insist that Tekle "is not stating that there exist a similarty between Somalia and Eritrea", when in fact he indicates outright that "Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan have significant similarities". If these ties are unnecessary for this page, then surely so are those between Eritrea and, say, Italy (which you don't appear to object to). Would you feel more comfortable if the following were instead used? It's from a paper on the Horn region by the Eritrean scholar Tesfatsion Medhanie : "The region has cultural factors that facilitate integration and confederation. The peoples in these states have important "ethnic" and "cultural" factors in common. They share or are close in terms of their ethnic "identities." They are culturally close; and Christianity and Islam are the dominant religions in all of them." Middayexpress (talk) 16:45, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I am not arguing against Amare Tekle. However one can choose to interpret that quote in many ways. He is stating that there are similarities between these countries; however he is also writing that "for the most part" they do share similarities in some areas. If you for a moment choose to apply common sense and look at facts you easily understand that these similarities varies between each country that is what he mean by for the most part. Ask yourself this question, does Eritrea have similarities with Somalia when it comes to all of these things? The answer is no. Do they share same genetics-no, same ethnic groups-no, same religions-no, languages-no, cuisines-no, values/cultures- no, traditions-no. All of these things are shaped by a country’s history, ethnic groups, religions and the countries that have influenced them by trade, colonization, and mixing. These two countries histories are far from similar, even if you go way back B.C.


 * Ties between Eritrea and Ethiopia do exist, since Eritrea has been a part of northern Ethiopia for centuries. Does a tie between Italy and Eritrea exist? Yes, Eritrea was in fact created as an Italian colony 1890 and a big part of the modern Eritrean culture is from the Italian colonial period, food, sports,infrastructure, parts of the language and so on. It would be strange to remove it since these two countries has shaped Eritrea’s culture. When referring to Near East, this is also true, since ancestry of the Eritrean ethnic groups & their languages can be traced back to the Near East. Just because Eritrea have links with Ethiopia does not mean that there exist a link between Somalia and Eritrea. When referring to that new source the author is referring to Eritrea and Ethiopia. These two states as he mentions, has ethnic groups that are close in term of their ethnic identities. Somalia is not in mentioned in the book in regarding to this issue. If something about the similarities between some of the horn countries should be mentioned it shouould not be mentioned on top of this page, instead it should be mentioned in the horn of Africa page and it should aslo be specific besides that. Since it’s obvious that all of these countries do not share the same or similar ethnic identities, ethnic groups, religion, traditions, values etc.  as mentioned, and since this is also the cultural page of Eritrea. The culture of Eritrea as mentioned is shaped by Ethiopia, Italy, and the Near East. (Vetrisimino0 (talk) 01:02, 16 June 2014 (UTC)).


 * No offense, but you clearly have limited knowledge of the Horn region and its population. It's debatable whether Eritrea as a nation state was created by Italy (e.g. Medri Bahri). What isn't is that Italian Eritrea, Italian Somaliland and Ethiopia were all part of Italian East Africa. Also, not only do the Afro-Asiatic Eritreans indeed generally share similar genetics with Somalis and most Ethiopians (e.g. "the trail of such historical movements are detectable by molecular signatures of markers like Y chromosome giving insights into episodes of even more regional nature, for example, the high frequency of E-V32 in Eritrea, in concordance to oral history, supports the historical ties between North East Africa (Egypt) and East Africa including Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia" ), they are linguistically and culturally close as well. Amare Tekle and Tesfatsion Medhanie -- both prominent Eritrean scholars -- are quite clear about this. These historic ties are actually one of the main reasons why Medhanie has proposed a confederation of all four Horn region nations into one sovereign territory. At any rate, I can see that this discussion is heading nowhere productive, so I shall request a formal Third Opinion. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I have broad knowledge about this area in particular on this topic. Im not even going to respond to your personal attacks. I will just prove to you that you are wrong. It's no question that Eritrea was created as an Italian colony. This is basic knowledge and that should not even be debated here. One can speculate that Eritrea was created before 1890 but if you go by fact Eritrea was created as an Italian colony in 1890. When it comes to ancestry, Somalis are related to Ethiopians. The Somali ancestors did not come from an area located in northern Ethiopia or Eritrea. They came from northern Kenya, and southern Ethiopia. See for yourself:


 * Ancestors of Somali people
 * “The ancestors of the Somali came from Ethiopia and they were joined by diverse elements from the Cushitic race Bantus, Arabs, and a sprinkling of Indians and Lebanese.”
 * “The Somalis are most closely related to the Oromo of Ethiopia and the Afars (Danakil) of Djibouti.“ (Note!..Not the Afars of Eritrea. And Oromos are not Eritreans, they are a etnic group from southern Ethiopia)


 * “Based in northern oral history, the Somali are a hybrid group originating in the marriages of two Arab patriarch’s and local Dir Women, the descendants of whom migrated from the Gulf of Aden towards northern Kenya in the tenth centaury”
 * “Some contemporary scholars, however, argue that the ancestors of the Somali came from Arabia but between an area between southern Ethiopia and northern Kenya” (Note! Southern Ethiopia and nothern kenya ancestry is mentioned again)


 * Regarding the homogeneity of the Somalia’s people
 * “Nearly 97% of the population is ethnic Somali, generating the claim that Somalia is Africa’s sole indigenous nation-state"''
 * “Alexander Johnson notes that in Somalia, unlike other African countries and even of Europe, “all the people…..Share common traditions. They speak the same language, respond to the same poetry, derive their wisdom, and worship the same god”
 * “Somalis are culturally homogenous with few variations; however Somalis divide themselves into numerous clans and clan confederations”


 * Regarding Italian East Africa ties, Ethiopia was ruled by Italia few years in contrast to Eritrea. Eritrea was created as an Italian colony, and was an Italian colony for more than 50 years. Based on country, the influence from Italia varies. Somalia that is 100% Islamic country has not embraced same things that Eritrea has embraced. For instance there are catholic Eritreans, Catholic churches in Eritrea, Catholicism is established since the colonial times, cycling which is the national sport in Eritrea was brought from the Italians, a lot of Italian alcoholic beverages are consumed/produced in Eritrea, foods, building, architecture and many things more. When it comes to your new source, it says: "the trail of such historical movements are detectable by molecular signatures of markers like Y chromosome giving insights into episodes of even more regional nature, for example, the high frequency of E-V32 in Eritrea, in concordance to oral history, supports the historical ties between North East Africa (Egypt) and East Africa including Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia"


 * It does not say it’s an direct linking between the Eritrean genetics and Somali genetics, it says these areas has a high frequencies of a chromosome type in a huge area. My sources above proves when it comes to ancestry there is no ties between these countries. Eritreans do for most part share genetics with some Ethiopians, groups from Near East. Even if there would exist a little type of chromosome that are similar between Eritreans and Somalis it does not make sense to say that this chromosome has shaped the Eritrean culture. As sources point the culture of Eritrea is shaped by Ethiopia and Italy & Near East. As mention Somalia and Eritrea do not have same culture, history, ethnic groups, religions, values culture, cuisines, tradition, or languages. His statement about creating a confederation would not be possible, and this he is aware of if you continue to read more parts of the book. With his ideas he want to bring peace to the horn region that has been affected by war and conflicts for many years. And that statement was and is not highlighting a similarity that has shaped the culture of Eritrea. The information is more suitable in the horn of Africa page, were I think it already exist. (Vetrisimino0 (talk) 19:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)).

Sorry, no offense intended, but I don't believe that you are particularly knowledegeable on the Horn. The fact that you didn't know that Italian Eritrea, Italian Somaliland and Ethiopia were all part of Italian East Africa is just one of many such indications. Further, if you had actually read that book you italicize above, you'd realize that the author is talking about a time period before the Bantu and Nilotic migrations into East Africa. He actually indicates that "this reconstructed account of Somali origins and population movements leaves much to be desired", and thereafter goes into some detail on why Somalis actually likely originated in northern Somalia. In fact, he devotes a whole section to the ancient Land of Punt connection, citing recent archaeological evidence, among other things. At any rate, I'm frankly not surprised that you're having trouble accepting the study I linked to above. Here's another on the genetic ties between the Horn's Afro-Asiatic populations. Middayexpress (talk) 20:04, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Once again, Im not responding to your personal attacks. I have never claimed that there did not exist an italian east africa. I have explained to to you many times and also provided you with very specific sources, but it seems to me that you do not want to embrace these facts. I have seen your sources. You have provided very general/broad sources that is more suitable in the horn of Africa page. Now, we are coming a little of topic since we should be discussing about the culture of Eritrea here and not the horn of Africa. And when it comes to that its still Italy, Ethopia and Near East that has influenced Eritrea. (Vetrisimino0 (talk) 20:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC))


 * You've complained about material from Eritrean scholars that notes the well-established cultural ties between Eritrea specifically and other Northeast African nations (viz Ethiopia, Somalia, Djibouti, Sudan). That's about it, really. Middayexpress (talk) 17:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * No, I have complianed about your usage of the source, the relevance of it on this page, your litteral translation of it and your interpretation. Especially since you belive that it exist exact same similarities/ties between all of these countries. When in fact there exist not the same cultural ties/similarites between all of these countries, which I have explain to you. The source has not cliamed that there exist same ties between all of them. Some are far from being similar when it comes to culture and that is simple to understand if you use common sence and look at sources. As explained Eritrea and Somalia does not have or share the same religions, ethnic groups, values, ancestry, traditions, cuisines, languages, history. Eritreas culture is shaped and influenced by Ethiopia, Italy, Near East. (Vetrisimino0 (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC))


 * The claim that I somehow "misinterpreted" Amare Tekle in particular is absurd since I literally quoted him . It's thus unfortunately still very much Tekle himself and his colleague Tesfatsion Medhanie (both are Eritrean scholars) that you should direct your frustrations toward. Middayexpress (talk) 18:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Im not directing any frustration anywhere. You have used the qoute before to draw the cunclusion that Eriteras culture was shaped by Somalia. Which they have not claimed. And the qoute should not be inteprteted that all the of the countries do have the exact same similarities when it comes to all of the things mentioned. As mentioned all of these countries do not share all of the mentioned similiraties to each other. Some countries share more similarites to each other than others, which simple facts shows.(Vetrisimino0 (talk) 18:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC))
 * You honestly must be joking, this book along with others Middayexpress has provided clearly state that Somalia and Eritrea have cultural ties with one another. You have provided nothing other you than your own claim denying this reality. Ironically, such things like this are not accepted here per WP:ORGINALRESEARCH. If your gong to claim that you can provided sources that dispute this, then I highly encourage you to do so. AcidSnow (talk) 20:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Please read the very long discussion in this talk page berfore you revert change the infromation. You did paste middayexpress source and text which we had a long discussion over. The source you provided does not claim the mentioned. Use the sourcing in ´correct manner. I have provided tons of sources. Read the discussion once again.Vetrisimino0 (talk) 00:54, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * He evidently did read the discussion, including the parts where I literally quoted for you prominent Eritrean (not foreign) scholars emphasizing the cultural ties between Eritrea and other Horn nations. You also just came off a block, where you promised to stop reverting and work towards consensus. This isn't a good start. Middayexpress (talk) 15:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I do not think you should come and revert your lines from many month ago that that lacked support from sources. Just because that user feels that Somalia and Eritrea have ties does not mean they have. Your source that you posted has been discussed before; it showed your lack of interpreting the source. And why does AcidSnow revert your contribution from a half year back? Quite strange. I don’t mind you adding new stuff but you do not provide sources that shows that they have cultural ties. Im up to discuss this and reach concensus before you add that old line. Im still waiting with your sources with anticipation, and would appriciate information on this topic. Hopefully you will find some good new ones. Regarding the issue in the Eritrea page, you should of gotten a block, since you was reverted contributions of mine many time over. And I did not write that I would stop reverting regarding this matter, this was regarding the issue in the Eritrean talk page so dont mix up the issues. In that issue I promised you that I would not revert anything before the issue was settled, and has not done so after that. However when it come to this issue, you are the one reverting, and adding the same line that did not get accepted months ago.  Vetrisimino0 (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You indeed promised to stop reverting and work towards consensus . Yet you have done precisely the opposite of that here. At any rate, I'm not going to sit here and quibble with you about what the Eritrean scholars indicate. They are quoted above and speak for themselves. All you've done is complain that I and AcidSnow are somehow misunderstanding Amare Tekle -- a scholar whom you yourself admitted was reliable ("I am not arguing against Amare Tekle[...] However one can choose to interpret that quote in many ways"). Either you produce a comparable authority that asserts otherwise, or there is no reason why the well-established, historical cultural ties between Eritrea and other Horn nations should not be noted. Middayexpress (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You got tons of replies months ago. You did and still do interpret your source in a wrong way. I have only asked you for more sources. Cant you just provide them?. Your source says "Ethiopian" people share similar cultural and linguistic identity with many people of Somalia, Djibouti,Eritreans." It does not say that Eritrea or Somalia shares similar cultural and linguistic identity to each other." If you do not provide other sources I will ask for other opinions. When it comes to stop reverting it was in the matter of Eritea page regarding a particular issue. Dont go claim anything else, that has not been written by me in this discussion. You deleted my contribs. Regardless users should always try to reach concencus. AcidSnow, I have proven many good points too user Middayepxress if you read more of our earlier discussions. However you on the hand have not provided any reasonable arguments, you have just been restoring an source that has been interpreted wrong. Vetrisimino0 (talk) 00:35, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that is a strawman argument. The source that is actually on the page is from the Eritrean scholar Amare Tekle. It indicates that "Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan have significant similarities emanating not only from culture, religion, traditions, history and aspirations but also from being in comparable levels of income and economic development[...] For the most part, the peoples of these countries share common values[...] They appreciate similar foods and spices, beverages and sweets, fabrics and tapestry, lyrics and music, and jewelry and fragrances[...] They even compare in sizes and looks and are hard to tell" . This is what you have been edit warring with AcidSnow over . Again, either you produce a comparable authority that asserts otherwise, or there is no reason why the well-established, historical cultural ties between Eritrea and other Horn nations should not be noted. Middayexpress (talk) 19:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Vetrisimino0 has just been blocked as a sock of Hiyob346. Middayexpress (talk) 18:44, 13 November 2014 (UTC)