Talk:Culture of Iran/Archive 1

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With the first glimpse, I did doubt if that work [is a postcard, or what?] that has the caption: "Persian art continues to evolve .. blah blah" suited the article. Though I personally am not into persian culture, it does seem too superficial to fearute a work, hardly able to dubbed artistic in a page named "Iran's Culture." Or any other culture; Who would show a -hardly to call stereotype this deos not give u any infoma5rapmslmlm;lvs;kjjkl;jljlk,.jflksm,vn,mhvkjhgm,n,mjfigjkfjnlmjoijsdlkng,smjgoirsflkgnskfgjsijgkl;sfjglksugolijsklg.nlkjlkkj lijlkj lkjlkbldxkjfcbojdlmlk l kn lkj oivlfjboi jolilojvoioikjoioi ok j ih oih io oihoi hoi h io hoi hi iohoih kho ih poih lho iho ih  hoih oi even- work like that and yet dare to claim the peice exhibits "art" in the country is "evolve"-ing!?

I'll work on this page later to see how this would be more insightful about Iranian culture. Perhaps a talk like "Culture of Iran: Present Outlook"! or something helps.

But well, so Iranians made ice cream!? cool. --Downtownee 11:53, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

brown?
Why are these headlines in brown? --Kenyon 06:01, May 16, 2005 (UTC)


 * Because Iranians wish their culture to be represented as such.


 * Color is meant to emphasize the variety and elegance of the Persian culture. Persians heavily use art to beautify their writings. Many of the analytic verses of the Canons of Medicine, were for example written in poetic verses. Almost every manuscript from Persia's classical era used art to adorn the scientific texts.--Zereshk 01:43, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Zereshk, thanks for ur contributions. I guess the brown is a tad shiny so it irritates eyes. U mind checking more readable colours? --- And Kenyon! What's that about iran u'd be possibly curious about? I visited ur page and found u were around ME so it might be this geographically closness. I wonder if say Iran's social system, religion or what might be wanted from a foreigh point of view. So we may put more timely information about iran and what's goin on, or simply reference you as well as talking about Iran as one from the country. And u know I think these differ and what you want would be different from what here's told. --Downtownee 12:12, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do you have any better suggestions than the color brown? I thought brown was different enough, yet not as so glaring a color.--Zereshk 02:25, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kamelia Shojaee
The Image Kamelia shojaee.jpg is the best example of how contemporary persian art and culture is evolving: The cartoonish style is contemporary (in the same way that Anime has been changing japanese culture), yet the facial features are a trademark of the Qajarid style of drawing. The apple signifies beauty in ancient Persian mythology, and the flowers signify the ancient tradition of Norooz. The relief on the wall is from Persepolis symbolizing old pre-Islamic Persia, while the veil symbolizes post-Islamic Persia. All in all, it is a fusing of Persian cultural elements into a new form. A continued evolution.


 * Well the article doesn't say anything of the sort. --Gmaxwell 06:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There is a section titled "Persian art", where the image is. And the caption does make the connection very well. Wouldnt you say?--Zereshk 07:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The tag is also not Fairuse or GFDL. It is PD, according the Iran Cultural Heritage Organization.--Zereshk 04:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * According to them where? Citation please! --Gmaxwell 06:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * User:SlimVirgin has emailed them and received reply. You may pursue this from her.--Zereshk 07:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Religion
I have hardly seen and read any academic article discussing culture without much mention of religion.

This article not only tries to avoid to dicuss "current" religion of Iranians, it also tries to emphasize signs and symbols of "anciant" Iranian religions. Religion is one of the most important aspect of a culture. Iranian majority religion is only mentioned as the third element of the list of main elements of Iranian culture and never discussed after. Also the important days of Iran are not just "anciant" Iranian days of celebration. Days like Ashura have not been ignored for at least the last 500 years in Iran and by majority of Persian speakers.

This article needs to have a big section about Shia Islam as one of the very prominent factor of Persian/Iranian culture. Persian Magi 02:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Persians only?
What about the other ethnic groups in Iran.Persians make aobut only 40% of the iranian population so we must include ALL cultures of iran such as Baloch, Kurd Azeri etc.-Vmrgrsergr 05:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank the Europeans for that confusion. They were the ones that called Iran "Persia". The intro nevertheless addresses the confusion.--Zereshk 10:04, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Zereshk you know that is not true. In fact Iran comes from "land of the aryans", aryans meaning noble people, what persians (farsi people) called themselves, very modest ethnic group of course, and they love brown color too. Regardless, calling the country Iran is just as egregious as calling it Persia, there are lots of non-Persian (Iranian) communities still lining in Iran despite the Iranian government's continuous plans to attempt to persianize all non-persians within the country, including Kurds, Azeris, and Arabs. MB 12:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Iranians all share a near unitary culture, also 60% of Iran's population are native Persian. Let's not turn this into a political argument bolstered by foreigners like the ones above. This article has nothing to do with "linguistic Persianization" and also no one forces these people to speak the Persian language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Migboy123 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Arabic music by Persians????
Seriously...all we have on that is a single source, and yet the article claims that "most scholars agree..." anyway, Persia never knew the high poetry the Arabs were knowledgeable about until after they were conquered. Let's not falsify history here. If anything, most Persian music probably has an Arab influence. MB —Preceding comment was added at 00:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we need more sources, then. With that said, music and poetry are not necessarily related. It is already well understood that Arabic was pivotal in developing and enriching the Persian language, and thus, persian literature and poetry thrived. That doesn't necessarily mean that Arabs listened to music. After all, Orthodox Islam forbids music for entertainment purposes, doesn't it? Most classical Persian poetry in itself is incredibly heterodox, bordering on blasphemy. Particularly the works of Hafez, or the Shahnameh, which essentially villianizes Arabs throughout. Arabic influence on Persian poetry has more to do with the enrichment of the language's vocabulary than it does with the actual style. Even when similar poetic styles are used (e.g. the ghazal), it is the Persians that have perfected the form (e.g. Rumi). As for the music, perhaps you could do some research on the instruments and see how they evolved and in which direction. 68.43.58.42 19:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That part which says Arabic music has Persian origin is because of the names of Maqam in Arabic which are mostly Persian...like Sikah,Rast,etc.Pouyakhani (talk) 12:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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Article needs help
If someone with Iran expertise has some extra time, Laft needs major cleaning up. Kingturtle (talk) 01:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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Good language
I can't help but notice that this article's voice and language stands out from other articles. Is it just me? 216.83.145.130 (talk) 01:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Iranian Contributions to Mankind
I've removed a source of the invention of windmill. It stated that the first windmills were designed in "Persian Mesopotamia" by "King Hammurabi", wich demonstrates a great inaccuracy. The earliest date for the invention of the windmill is 700 AD and the most accepted date is 900 AD. Also, the contruction of Baghdad is no more a contribution that the construction of Ctesiphon, Persepolis or Bishapur, to name few... So I removed it. --201.228.212.47 (talk) 02:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism
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Confusing
"The main part of (Eastern) Europe is within the influence of ancient Iranian culture. This can especially be observed in the parallels between the Iranian and European countries. Some examples are France, Hungary, Switzerland, Poland, Bulgaria."

I live close to France and Switzerland. I respect the Iranian Culture but I can't say that France or Switzerland are influenced by Iranian Culture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.233.64.16 (talk) 12:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup of Rambling Anti-Arab Rant in Language & Lit
There was a great deal of rambling, near incoherent statement in this section that I suspect are the result of an imperfect translation. I did my best to correct these and keep the integrity of the original statement.

Speaking of integrity, I also revised a section describing how the Arabs were far worse than the Mongols and deleted a very unencyclopedic paragraph that asked the reader (in the second person!) why Iranians should blame the Mongols when it was the forces of Islam that destroyed their culture. When, how and in what way that culture was "destroyed" is unmentioned. Very POV, unsourced and undeserving of a place in Wikipedia. Let me know if I somehow misunderstood the section. The Cap&#39;n (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Removed text
I've removed this for the third time now per WP:CFORK. If you disagree, let's discuss. -- Neil N   talk to me  17:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Content forking says such forking is "the creation of multiple separate articles all treating the same subject." What  did was add 37,823 bytes of information, not fork anything out of this one.  Can you be more specific as to what aspect of that content guideline deals with prohibiting adding content?  —   Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  01:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The "General Overview of Country" belongs in the Iran article. The History of Iran section belongs in the History of Iran article. Neither section mentions the topic of the article, the Culture of Iran. Take a look at Culture of France, Culture of Japan, or Culture of Greece for example, to see how these types of articles are structured. The Iran article is the main article and ideally should contain a brief summary of this article and wikilink to it. This sub-article should not summarize info from the parent article that's not directly related to the topic. -- Neil N   talk to me  02:49, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes some sense. I don't have any interest in this article specifically, for what that's worth.  Realize though that Dhruvgoyalchill only has 43 edits to his or her name, and probably doesn't understand why you removed their middlingly-sourced content saying only, "WP:FORK"; I certainly didn't know from where you were coming with that, and I've had much more experience on the English Wikipedia than that user.  —   Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  00:47, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you but I and another user did put specifics on his talk page. -- Neil N    talk to me  01:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Touché, I hadn't checked the user's page for discussion. I still think though that after the first reversion by, you should have explained here.  Nevermind though, just a few more edits won't hurt anything, and everything's explained and copacetic.  I hope somebody interested will properly incorporate what of Dhruvgoyalchill's addition is usable.  —   Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  02:21, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Name
please differ between Persian culture and Culture of Iran. Persian culture refers to Persianate society.

Clothing
There is absolutely no information on Iranian dress on this page, which is an important part of the culture. Am I to assume that this is covered by "Islamic clothing"? 173.64.90.145 (talk) 05:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

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There are plenty more examples from Pre-Islamic Iran, the Golden Age of Islam and Islamic Iran which can be added. Many are missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Migboy123 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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