Talk:Culture of Pakistan/Archive 1

"Majority of Pakistanis are tall with fair skin complexion, similar to Middle Eastern and Mediterranean peoples."
This sounds like some racial fantasy of Pakistanis. Or perhaps it is a sarcastic comment put in by a non-Pakistani. One needs only to take a stroll in any Pakistani city or village to see how far from the truth this is. Silly things like this should be avoided. Actually... the whole race/genetics section is a rather bizarre attempt to convince the reader that Pakistanis are tall fair Caucasoids descended from external migrants and higher castes while the neighboring Indians are short dark Negroids/Australoids from lower castes. And hence Pakistanis constitute a separate race. This is funny. 98.227.75.160 (talk) 08:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

this article is funny :)......... and racist toooo.. its like making pakistan part of hindu cast system LOL.. and pakistanis are brahimins and hindus are lower castes.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.49.12.233 (talk) 14:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Pakistani's are a diverse group of people making any attempt to find a uniform answer on their appearance impossible. Pakistani's do tend to be taller and fairer and are quite distinct from indians. Exceptions being perhaps the Sikhs who live close to the border and share some ethnic affinity to Pakistan and the Mohajir community. It should be mentioned that there have been several Pakistani's in the guiness book of world record for being the tallest people in the world. There seems to be an overly indian angle on this article which is odd considering that this is an article on Pakistan. I think a much more professional approach needs to be taken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.164.238 (talk) 11:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Bad article
I really hate when I see an article that's so bad that I feel like I shouldn't even bother investing my time in fixing it up. Seriously, it might be better to just start from scratch here. Everyking 05:40, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand what you're getting at here, i'm using the Pakistan articles for a school project right now, and this is definately not badly written, in fact it's one of the best cultural articles i have seen. Talrinys 07:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Everyking, would you mind explaining why this article is so bad? I mean, at first glance, it doesn't seem as bad as your making it sound. Pepsidrinka 13:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL, Pakistanis trying to claim being Middle Eastern is a bloody joke! How the hell could a Pakistani EVER compare himself in looks, mannerisms or race to a Persian, Arab, Turk etc? What a huge lie that nobody could possibly believe unless they were blind, deaf and dumb! Truth is Pakistanis are a on the whole a race of dark skinned people with typical Dravidian body-structures, features and genes with the exception of genuine Pakhtuns, peoples of the remote north and some of the Baluch. Punjabis, Sindhis etc are all sub-races of Indians/Dravidians. Period. Wikipedia edits cant change this fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.184.70 (talk) 00:52, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Pakistan is less than 500 km from United Arab Emirates and it shares a border with Iran and Afghanistan. In general, the people who live in Pakistan are lighter skinned than people in India and have more of a middle eastern look, like the people from neighboring countries in the Gulf and Western Asia. Of course there are exceptions as many people migrated from what is now India into what is now Pakistan, but it's like how people in Scandinavia have stereotypical blond haired, blue-eyed features and people from Italy have darker features. The people from in between countries like Switzerland or Germany have a mix of these features. Pakistan does tend to have more Arab and Iranian looking peoples living in it than India. A typical Pakistani looks kind of like a mix between typical Indian appearance and a typical Arab/Persian/Afghan appearance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.99.123 (talk) 06:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Written detail and Layout Improvements !
This article needed alot of help, i have so far improved the layout of the different various sub sections into more appropriate sub headings. I have removed the excessively large images in this article and have included more relevant images. If you have any suggestions, do let me know -- Fast track 01:19 17 July 2006 (UTC)

"generally similar to North india"?
Says who? There are several ethnic gorups in Pakistan of which only one (the Muhajirs) are the only ones with cultural similarities.I mean we Balochis have ties to Balochis in Iran does that mean Pakistan's culture is "generally similar" to that of Iran's? This is definately WP:OR.it has to be corrected and perhaps discussed.-Vmrgrsergr 06:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

99.228.164.238 (talk) 11:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Mentioning of various faiths
The emphasis on various faiths being an "integral" part of everyday culture of Pakistan is quite misleading. Yes, they may have had an influence..but the non-muslims being just 2% of the overall population, the whole statement seems defensive and ill-conceived.';;'
 * 'kopj[oighoyfuhjmkiolk.j,jkm         ghhfoliygljkm bviugkbn vbhgikh,m bhjkj,nm vhgkj,m iojkm, xdsrtyhjmn  cdxfre567yiukj,m cxdfrtyuj   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrajesh (talk • contribs) 15:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed Saris
I have deleted Sari portion in "national dress" for a number of reasons. First of all nobody in Pakistan wears it, and even is some do it is a VERY VERY small number. Sindhis do not wear Saris, it's something similar to a sari but not the same. -BK2006 08:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Not only that, saris must not be mentioned in the national dress category as it is not the national dress of Pakistan - the national dress is Kameez Shalwar for both men and women. Mik357 (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Copy editing needed
I added the Copy edit tag to this article. It is is generally well-written and informative, but it needs a bit of neutralization, formalization and a few grammar/tone edits. I'll be working on it but would appreciate help. Here are some (non-exhaustive) examples I noticed and would like feedback about their correction. The relevant portion is in italics and my comments are in parentheses:

Intro
 * "some in a state of dereliction which makes their former grandeur more emphatic" (NPOV)

Literature, History
 * "Pakistani literature, that is, the literature of Pakistan, as a distinct lite gained its nationhood as a sovereign state in 1947" (Unsure of what is being said here.)

Literature, Poetry
 * "have all incorporated and have influenced the different kinds of poetry in the reg" (Incomplete sentence)

Drama and theatre
 * "There are many types of themes that are brought across with lots of humour. The themes that are bought across ranges from a huge range of events that taken place in ones life." (Repetitive; could be expanded for more explanation)

Recreation and sports
 * "Also, it is hoped that Pakistan will fare better in the Football World Cup qualifiers for 2010." (NPOV)

Festivals, Eid celebrations
 * "During the evening people hit the town for some partying, going to restaurants or relaxing in city parks." (Needs formalization)

Festivals, Independence Day
 * "Many people pray for the country and think how proud they are to be Pakistanis." (NPOV; needs to be rephrased)

Leena (talk) 21:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Section Deleted
Why was the following section added by me deleted?

Pakistan has lots of examples of a thriving cultural scene. However there is no high culture, no interest in Western Classical Music, no Art Cinema, no world renowned literature, no conceptual art scene. As Babur the first Mughal emperor said about India.

Hindustan is a place of little charm. There is no beauty in its people, no graceful social intercourse, no poetic talent or understanding, no etiquette, nobility, or manliness. The arts and crafts have no harmony or symmetry. There are no good horses, meat, grapes, melons, or other fruit. There is no ice, cold water, good food or bread in the markets. There are no baths and no madrasas [Islamic schools].

– Babur, Baburnama

This is quite a harsh observation as there is now ice and cold water and also baths and madrasas. The only thing however that hasn't changed is that it is now just as charmless as it was all those years ago except for a few architectural gems now being essentially destroyed by lack of care from the native populace as they dont care; they'd rather listen to Bollywood Filmi Music and mindless pop than learn about thier history.

Baburghazi (talk) 21:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably because it's not really encyclopedic. It's just one person's opinion (and wholly negative one, at that.)  I don't see how the section adds anything to the article. Leena (talk) 23:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, its not really encyclopedic however whats wrong with a little harsh critism? The Nazi's did alot of bad things such as the Holocaust but they also enhanced the cultural climate of Germany and highlighted its great cultural past yet its always looked at in a bad light. Pakistan has no desire of killing six million Jews but it doesn't care about culture, there is a complete lack of it. What Babur said was true and still is now almost five hundred years later, people don't care. 81.99.235.224 (talk) 13:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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Remove or improve . ..
the section in the article headed Drama and Theater. This section consists of merely 3 sentences, and the first one begins with a pronoun (These) that has no antecedent/referent. What is it talking about?

This section links to the article on Theatre in Pakistan which is almost useless since it is poorly written (see my comments on the discussion page for that article). Ed8r (talk) 19:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Festivals and Holidays
Do we really need BOTH sections: Festivals and Holidays? The second seems to be a repetition of the first, only all the information is jammed together in one paragraph. Ed8r (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Persian Empire, of which Pakistan was a part.

 * In every article weather it is about food,music,language,culture the Pakistani are so eager to reveal that they were salve of persia.All kind of fairy tall story like Hun Aryan Scythian turkish Greek Arab where ruler and today's Pakistani are there descendant.And all in fairy tall story they avoid the truth that before 1947 there was no Pakistan, and all the culture language art which Pakistani, say is there because of all the invaders which slave them are originally Indian.The word mujahir is used for the people of north India who want there after 1947 is so shameful.Urdu is a north Indian language still spoke in that part of India ironically pakistan's national language is also Urdu.The people who are the real torch bearer of the language and culture are called mujahirs,because they want there to live they not invaded or looted then.But Pakistani feel proud to say Persian Empire, of which Pakistan was a part.Pakistan just dine every part of truth which link then to ther real past India.Scythian are said a branch of so called Aryan tribe who invaded India and in this Pakistani culture article both has mention whom influenced Pakistani got.It seem from this article how fascinated same pakistani are about invasion theory.Persian,British,Turkish all use this term to glorify there past and Pakistan use this term just to avoid the fact that they were Hindus either Punjabi's Sindhi pathan baloch either culturally or religiously.Due to pakistani only the term British india is used to describe before 1947 when pakistan was caved from india which is also a fact that how pakistn try to avoid there indian past.If we consider there chaildis aruge when persian rual the part which is now pakistan, at that time which pakistan it was.So how can they say pakistan was part of parsian empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.59.66 (talk) 12:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Images of Punjabis/Sindhis/Pushtun
I think they rightly belonged here since their culture has become a part of Pakistani culture. --lTopGunl (talk) 10:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about those pictures of 'couples' in traditional dress? I moved them over to the 'gallery section at Pakistani clothing where they seem more relevant. This is an important article and should only have real and good quality pics in my opinion. The problem with those images is that they are cartoonish and sort of look like an eyesore here. Mar4d (talk) 11:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, you have point, but the province cultures are widely regarded and presented as different Pakistani cultures. Being a Pakistani you'd be aware so doesn't need much explanation. May be some real photographs can be added to the article later. May be this can be added too: Pakistan Monument. --lTopGunl (talk) 11:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Remove defense parade from article
It doesn't belong in the article since it's not part of the culture and is a holiday in the state calender, not cultural. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.242.202 (talk) 04:48, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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PAK STUDIES
ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.205.68 (talk) 07:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Recent POV edits
User:Mehtar10 engaged in an edit war to insert POV terms like "Ancient Indus" citing "nomenclature" for which the user has already been notified/warned multiple times. Mehtar added sources for some additional content (poets) and is using that to say they have added sources to seriously insert POVPUSH material in the article. The user has shown a tendency not discuss anything despite their past edit wars and is even using personal attacks in edit summaries against me. Inviting who have engaged with the user for discussion. Gotitbro (talk) 11:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Ancient Indus is the term used in Pakistan when referring to the Ancient History of Pakistan. We view our history specifically over the region which now forms Pakistan and not with the entire South Asia which India does. It is perfectly fine for Pakistan to derive it's heritage from the Ancient Indus region of South Asia, Because it literally forms that region now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehtar10 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Refs

 * The problem lies with you ~ Bina Shah January 02, 2012 The express Tribune
 * Pakistan culture: Evolution, transformation & mutation Nadeem F. Paracha Dawn Published April 9, 2015

&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39; (talk) 04:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing of the name from "Culture of Pakistan" to "Cultures of Pakistan" to show accuracy.
Hello and Greetings to you all people out there, I hope you are safe and living peacefully.

So i have basically drafted this issue which is the title page of the article which shows some error by the name of "Culture" well the point is to be noted that Pakistan is a beautiful country with 50+ Cultures inside, we all are Pakistani but still we all would love to thereby express our culture with great magnitude and to show the world about how diverse Pakistan is linguistically, culturally and how much United it is even with differences but unity in the name of one common religion.

Pakistan is a beautiful country with:
 * 1) Punjabis
 * 2) Sindhis
 * 3) Balochis
 * 4) Pashtuns
 * 5) Kashmiris

[|Here is the to Ethnic groups of Pakistan.]

and there are even more that my head would crash if i was to basically say them without looking into a Wikipedia article.

So therefore i request the admins/moderators of this article to change the name.

~Thank you and have a nice day — Preceding unsigned comment added by NameIsShaheer (talk • contribs) 12:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)