Talk:Culture of Wales/Archive 1

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I've started putting some stuff on Welsh music onto this page (I must admit, I'm very biased in favour of folk music against corau meibion). There's plenty of scope for people to fill in more details here, and to write about many other aspects of Welsh culture. Magnus 17:55 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it be manifestly appropriate to link to Celtic mythology? -Smack 06:15 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Holidays
The article states that "Wales has preserved its own distinctive culture, including ... holidays." I would argue that "holidays" is not the best word for this, after all - as the article points out - Wales has no special holidays - only propositions for such. Perhaps "festivals" or "celebrations" would be a better word. March 1st is a big festival/celebration/Gwyl in Wales, but it's no holiday! Hogyn Lleol 15:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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Amendments
(1) In the lede, the information on national symbols is already dealt with in the Symbols section. It's repetition.

(2) A separate Festivals section was created in accordance with other articles in the Culture of Europe category. The Festivals section was mistakenly included in the Religion section. Further relevant and accurate information on festivals was added.

(3) The section titled "Development of Welsh culture" is a misnomer - rather it's a rambling rehash of history which is already discussed more clearly on another Wiki article. If it's not relavant, it shouldn't be in and if it's more accurately labelled as 'historical context' it can be redirected to the appropriate Wiki article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.207.158 (talk) 11:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * To answer your points:
 * 1. The lead should identify the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight, per WP:LEAD
 * 2. A case could be made for creating a separate section for festivals, but they are all religious in origin.
 * 3. Heading the section 'Development of Welsh Culture' is fine by me.
 * I have reverted these amendments. Might be better to note any suggested changes here first and gain consensus. And please sign your posts, using four of these '~'. Thanks Daicaregos (talk) 11:45, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have reverted these amendments. Might be better to note any suggested changes here first and gain consensus. And please sign your posts, using four of these '~'. Thanks Daicaregos (talk) 11:45, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Dai,

1. The lede should identify the topics and summarize the body. Adopting one similar to other articles in the Culture of Europe category seems appropriate and reasonable. For example:

"The culture of Wales includes customs and traditions, language, literature, music, art, folklore, cuisine and sports associated with Wales and the Welsh people."

2. Festivals are an important part of a nations culture and merit their own section. There are both religious and non-religious festivals; so, there should be a separate Festivals section to reflect this. Also, the information I included is both accurate and relevant.

3. Having a section 'Development of Welsh Culture' is fine. It's the content that is the problem. Again, it is a poorly worded rehash of history - it's general historical context not the development of Welsh culture, and that's been done better on wiki elsewhere.

Thanks. 86.150.207.158 (talk) 12:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Outside influences
The article is pointing the differences in culture to the rest of the UK without giving due weight to the similarities. The title of the article is Culture of Wales rather than Distinctively Welsh Culture. I am concerned that there is insufficient content on outside influences and the erosion of the once more common distinct Welsh culture leading to the current mixed culture. The Historical influences section stops at James I. Imported sports such as rugby, football and snooker get prominence, but not their replacing traditional and native sports. The Basque culture entry [] may give some ideas for this article. SovalValtos (talk) 10:12, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

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Change to Lead?
The Lead currently contains the following sentences: "Wales is primarily represented by the symbol of the red Welsh Dragon, but other national emblems include the leek and the daffodil. The Welsh words for leeks (cennin) and daffodils (cennin Pedr, lit. "(Saint) Peter's leeks") are closely related, and it is likely that one of the symbols came to be used due to a misunderstanding for the other one, though it is less clear which came first." This section seems inappropriate for the lead because it (1) is too specific to be considered a summary of the article and it (2) contains information that is later contradicted by the section "symbols". I think the lead should be rewritten to remove this section. Thoughts? ViolaCola (talk) 02:07, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree, and actioned. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:38, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ViolaCola (talk) 19:57, 14 October 2019 (UTC)