Talk:Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad

Needs Attention
A lot of this reads like a tourist brochure. I've tried to help it out, but the paragraph at the end describing the trip needs to be looked over by someone who is familiar with the railroad. Mangoe 03:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC) This RR is mostly of touristic interest. The last link shows a description of the line and its history - there is nearly all material to write a substantial article. --SonniWP 07:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Doing a statewide cleanup. LanceBarber (talk) 10:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind "mostly of touristic interest" -- this is a tourist railroad, pure and simple, serving no other purpose since 1970. This article is still a puff piece, though. Paul (talk) 22:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Colorado route 17
Does the railroad run beside the highway the entire way? What is the highway number in New Mexico? Does the shuttle bus use this highway, or go by another route? --Una Smith (talk) 22:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The automobile road from Antonito to Chama is Colorado 17 in Colorado, and New Mexico 17 in New Mexico. The shuttle bus uses this highway.  The railroad closely parallels the road at the Chama end for about the first 20-25% of the trip.  The eastern 75-80% of the railroad is distant from the highway.  The Osier townsite, where the trains stop and people pause to eat lunch, is far from Colorado 17 and accessible only via the railroad or via National Forest Service roads.  (All of this is accurate information -- I'm a Colorado guy and have ridden the train before -- but I don't have the proper Wikipedia-oriented documentation to insert it in the article.) Paul (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Good pictures
Found some great pictures with suitable CC license on Flickr:



Someone here to upload them to Commons? --194.48.128.75 (talk) 13:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

For relevant photos in the Flickr "Clerestory Group (Railways)" of the Cumbres & Toltec Railroad click here.....

Milepost
The milepost of Lobato seems to be inaccurate. The article says it's 399.99 but it is larger than Chama(MP 344.12) and Cresco siding(MP 335.10). Maybe it is 339.99. Official website has no information about milepost. Can anyone correct?--Tam0031 (talk) 16:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Checked with Natl Register nomination, the MP is 339.99. Will correct.Chris Light (talk) 19:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Original Research
Specifically, the section Trip Description has no citations and could possibly be lifted from a guidebook or contain original research. One of he first guidebooks to the C&TS, Ticket To Toltec by Doris Osterwald, ISBN 978-0931788260, is not available online, to my knowledge, but would be a place to start, if you have a copy. Srwalden (talk) 19:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Logo Issue
The logo for the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad "NewC&TSRRLogo.jpg" was deleted (see article history) and the new logo is a very poor replacement for it (see File:Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad.png for the specific tags. I didn't upload either file, but I do have a copy of the old. We need an SVG. Srwalden (talk) 19:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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