Talk:Cunt/Archive 6

In American slang, the term can be used to refer to "a fellow male homosexual".[46]
'In American slang, the term can be used to refer to "a fellow male homosexual".[46]' Is this provable? I would find it extremely offensive if someone tried to slip this into the article to be a troll. If this reference of ' Chapman, Robert L. (1995). The Macmillan Dictionary of American Slang. Macmillan. ISBN 0333634055. ' is valid, I would still object if this is not verifiable also through a gay person who commonly hears it used as a term for "a fellow male homosexual", as I never have but also that because someone placed it in a book twenty years ago is not enough validation for a potentially abusive term. It is possible this is something people do and in 40+ years I have never heard it. Of course every swear word has been used at some time or another to refer to someone, but this book by itself does not legitimize it unless it is actually a commonly used term. E.g. If I once called a heterosexual friend "mentally disabled jackfruit", it would be rude to then say that it "can be used to refer to a fellow heterosexual". Anyways, unless someone responds to this in the next week I will be removing this reference as:

- I have never heard this used this way other than possibly a one-off, or by a drag-queen (very different culture than a general homosexual culture BTW)

- Googling the word as a term to refer to gay people or used by gay people comes up blank.

Thanks.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutophane (talk • contribs)


 * I have improved the reference and moved the text (back) to a more appropriate location. In the course of editing it got moved from the original location (under "Terms of abuse for people"), and the lack of context may have been misleading. I have also added more of the quoted text to make it even clearer. I think the significance is that it is an (unusual) example of American usage referring to a male. --Boson (talk) 17:54, 21 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Boson, regarding your edit, I previously moved the text to the "Other meanings" section because it stated that it can refer to "a fellow male homosexual," and this is not a common usage. The "Other meanings" section is covering less common usages. But since you have changed the text to state "a fellow male homosexual one dislikes," it does now fit in the "As a term of abuse" section. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:22, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it was originally intended to be read in the context of the heading but it wasn't obvious, and I didn't notice the ambiguity, so your move is understandable, and the addition was necessary. I think it may have been clearer before some additional text about British use as a term of abuse for males was removed (justifiably, because of OR concerns). --Boson (talk) 22:32, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2017
In section 5.7 Radio it should be noted that on October 4th 2018 the word Cunt was broadcast on BBC Radio 1xtra as part of a performance by poet Liam McCormick. Citation http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0966kjx time code 2:36:37 LiamFMcCormick (talk) 11:59, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Not every use needs to be included. The existing uses included have secondary source reporting about the usage and not just primary recordings of that word being said.  If this incident generates such secondary coverage, then it may be included.  If your usage was brave or significant or important then there will be others saying so.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 12:22, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2017
C U N T caring understanding northern terrjtorian Moonba666 (talk) 03:43, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * no value in adding endless variations IdreamofJeanie (talk) 11:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2017
C U N T caring understanding northern territorian Moonba666 (talk) 04:54, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * no as above IdreamofJeanie (talk) 11:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Information that isn't really necessary
Is it actually necessary to list allusions to the word "cunt" on television, when the word isn't actually used? I think it should be deleted. (in section 4.3.2) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.13.166 (talk) 20:55, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * In an edition of The Graham Norton Show, the Irish comedian phoned a US woman who provided a service to fetishists by describing the sensation of trampling mud in her bare feet. Unfortunately she said "My cunt is so wet!" whereupon Norton hastily hung up and the programme went to a commercial break. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.115.140 (talk) 20:55, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Cunt
The prefixes "soppy" or "daft" are also commonly used as terms of endearment when used with "cunt". Can you add them please? LordCalladoc (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you add any sources here, please? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 18:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2018
This section should be amended.

Even Parliaments are not immune from punning uses; as recalled by former Australian prime minister Gough Whitlam: Never in the House did I use the word which comes to mind. The nearest I came to doing so was when Sir Winton Turnbull, a member of the cavalleria rusticana, was raving and ranting on the adjournment and shouted: "I am a Country member". I interjected "I remember". He could not understand why, for the first time in all the years he had been speaking in the House, there was instant and loud applause from both sides.[123]

There is no record in Hansard of this exchange or words between Whitlam and Turnbull [see http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22hansard80%2Fhansardr80%2F1972-09-13%2F0069%22 for the clash to which Whitlam refers], or of Whitlam to anyone.

It would appear that Whitlam decided that it was such a witty remark that he "remembered" himself as having made it. In fact, this retort was made by Clyde Cameron to the Country Party Member Luchetti on 18 September 1969: see http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22hansard80%2Fhansardr80%2F1969-09-18%2F0161%22.

Whitlam convinced not only himself but others that this bon mot was his invention. It was not.

Please amend the entry and thus the historical record. thank you, hmpringle@gmail.com 129.94.8.188 (talk) 06:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sam Sailor 07:09, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Samantha Bee
I added a few statements to the Comedy and TV sections about Samantha Bee's use of the term on her television show earlier this week, citing the Guardian. At least one of the newspapers that I read apparently used this Wikipedia article as background for their articles, so I thought it would be important to update the article. I also added Tee Corinne to the Art section.AnaSoc (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also added analysis of the use of the term on social media, with citation to journal article.AnaSoc (talk) 02:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

A limerick
I remember hearing more than 50 years ago: An ethnologist studying the Sioux wired home, "Send two punts, one canoe".
 * The reply the next day
 * said, "Girls on the way,

but what in the hell's a panoe." I did find a version of it online here, but that is not exactly a reliable source. I'm not sure that it will improve the article, but I thought I would offer it. - Donald Albury 18:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Cunt as a surname
The article neglects to mention that 'Cunt' has also been a surname. I therefore suggest adding something along the lines of: "Although never common, Cunt has also been a surname in both Great Britain and the United States, dying out in the early twentieth century. "

Any views on:
 * Is the source provided reliable enough to justify the proposed added sentence?
 * Where would this best fit in the current article?

Thanks

Hsq7278 13:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Eight people having a surname does not justify inclusion and the results of a search do not justify such a sentence per WP:OR. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * A search at FamilySearch shows 93,036 results. and 576,301  on MyHeritage. The 2 on Geni.com are probably vandalism. On the balance of things, since Findagrave has no burials under that name, it's likely that this is a transcription error, probably for something like Grant. Most of the names show up in the records for the 1850 and 1870 US Census, but there are more recent records that I wonder at.--  Auric   talk  23:31, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Given the various ways that a name passed down orally can appear when committed to writing, I don't think we can assume that any one instance of a family name "Cunt" is connected to the subject of this article. Off the bat, I can imagine a dialectal pronunciation of "Kent" being recorded as "Cunt". After all, I have that old Irish/Scottish name "Canady" in my ancestry. - Donald Albury 15:15, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

First word cunt appeared in movies in 1963
see video proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIrkIgQ3e4 Sergey Woropaew (talk) 11:11, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2019
ADD THE FOLLOWING IMPORTANT RECLAIMING TEXT. The word cunt is also often used as an affectionate, and/or sexually erotic and positive word. In all languages, the basest or apparently lowest phrases are also the most socially and emotionally charged words - viz Greer's article cited at the end of this article - and are thus also the most valued and intense words and phrases.

Thus the word cunt is also considered the most erotic of all words, surpassing any other female-related words, and all male-related words. It is often used during sex as a precursor to orgasm for both parties. Basil Eliades (talk) 11:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you point to reliable sources backing up these statements? "The most valued", "the most erotic", "often used" might not fit the encyclopedic tone. – Þjarkur (talk) 21:57, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you provide sources here, please re-open this request by changing "|answered=yes" to "|answered=no". NiciVampireHeart 22:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Edinburgh Scots
It is a common occurrence in the speech of Scots-users in Edinburgh, the replacement of -body or -one (as in anybody or someone) with -cunt. Thus It's nae mair than onycunt wid dae. (= It's no more than anyone would do.)

I specify Edinburgh, because although this usage is not unknown in Glasgow, there it is still argumentative and offensive in tone; whereas, the same words used in the context of Edinburgh speech, have lost all their belligerent intent. This is recorded in vernacular exchanges in the works of Irvine Welsh, among others.

Nuttyskin (talk) 00:23, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Which source mentions how Welsh or his characters use the word? Or how others use them? MPS1992 (talk) 01:00, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * In the body of the article we've long had this ref: For example, Glue by Irvine Welsh, p. 266, "Billy can be a funny cunt, a great guy ...."
 * There's a tweet in this article which may also help. - Snori (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

An interesting edit and revert after 10 years.
Someone, over 10 years ago, made this edit, and until JamesBWatson came along nobody saw fit to (partly) revert it. Vikom talk 17:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It hadn't been reverted because it didn't need reverting. Although no ref/cite was given in the intro, that's normal practice - there have long been supporting refs/cites in the body of the article. I've now added a couple more, and linked them to the intro to make things clearer. - Snori (talk) 23:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow! This is amazing. Thanks :-) Vikom talk 00:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2019
It would seem to make sense to cite the frequent use of the word as a pejorative in the TV series drama "Game Of Thrones", particularly its use by certain characters like The Hound. Its use there serves primarily to give a lower class vulgarity to some characters. 24.215.73.174 (talk) 17:37, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion, but we would need a reliable source for that addition. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 00:23, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2019
In music - The opening track of Welsh band Manic Street Preachers 1994 album The Holy Bible, titled "Yes" started with the line For sale, dumb cunts same dumb questions Snudger (talk) 21:26, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless secondary sources have taken note of this usage, then it's not relevant enough to include. We already need to remove all of those primary-sourced indiscriminate examples. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:23, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Another origin for the word Cunt.
I have heard it said in Australia that the origin of the word was from the cunt of a tree. The wedge shape in a tree may have been called the cunt, from the latin wedge origins, and as this part of the tree is under great pressure, it often dramatically explodes when a lumberjack is cutting down the tree or sawing through that region. In that case, a cunt would have been a part of a tree that caused great distress. From this, lumberjacks, or others, may have used the word for both a tree part and as a cuss for someone very disagreeable. Jeff B. 218.215.44.183 (talk) 11:21, 16 January 2020 (UTC) 16/01/2020.
 * Can you point to a reliable source for that? Otherwise, we cannot use it in Wikipedia. - Donald Albury 17:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

== The use of the word "cunt". is seen as acceptable in parts of the UK and Ireland. My Irish father in law used it to describe some particular building work we were doing together. He described it as "a cunt of a job". ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt

The use of the word "cunt" is seen as acceptable in parts of the UK and Ireland. My Irish father in law used it to describe some particular building work we were doing together. He described it as "a cunt of a job". It was an apt description considering what we had to do. (86.143.55.167 (talk) 01:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)).
 * Thank you, but please see Original research. Articles can only be based on what published reliable sources say, not on our own observations. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 05:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Cunt
Florentino Pérez 2A00:23C8:5408:DF00:6D05:B6A9:E215:362D (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Link20XX (talk) 23:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Kant
I would like to propose that the more resent meaning of the word cunt, not referring to sexuality rather to ones personality. Is derived from the book Beyond good and evil by Friedrich Nietzsche. referring specifically to Immanual Kant and the personality trait to create synthetic truths to protect ones ego… Nietzsche explains it very thoroughly and I’m only paraphrasing but once you make the connection it’s fairly clear. Aaron Tout-McCarthy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:68E1:A900:9D61:9558:D7A4:DD27 (talk • contribs) 4:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You can propose a specific addition by using the template. Please include how you think it should be worded, and one or more citations to reliable sources that support such usage (not to Kant, but to sources that discuss the usage). Also, please sign your posts to talk pages by placing four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of your comments. - Donald Albury 14:56, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

In English
This is also often used with a positive qualifier in England, Wales and Scotland. 2A00:23C6:C80D:E801:75A2:92C:2F07:B70 (talk) 12:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Covered in the "Other usage" section. - Donald Albury 15:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

"Shit cunt" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Etymology
I think the etymology section could do a better job of trying to explain why the majority of linguists think the origin in proto Germanic more likely than a relation to Latin "cunnus". Especially the "n" ostensibly disappearing and then reappearing appears to me to be quite unlikely... Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you know of any reliable sources that would support that analysis? The section is poorly sourced, with no citations for the part discussing a possible Latin origin. In a quick seach in Google Scholar, I did find this (page 110), which is suggestive, but not definitive, on the origin of "cunt". - Donald Albury 20:38, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2022
Paragraph: Reflecting national variations, cunt can be used as a disparaging and obscene term for a woman in the United States, an unpleasant or stupid man or woman in the United Kingdom, or a contemptible man in Australia and New Zealand.[1][2][3] However, in Australia and New Zealand it can also be a neutral or positive term when used with a positive qualifier (e.g., "He's a good cunt").

Should Read:

Reflecting national variations, cunt can be used as a disparaging and obscene term for a woman in the United States, an unpleasant or stupid man or woman in the United Kingdom, or a contemptible man in Australia, Ireland and New Zealand.[1][2][3] However, in Australia, Irealnd and New Zealand it can also be a neutral or positive term when used with a positive qualifier (e.g., "He's a good cunt", "Some gas cunt.").

Mention of the art movement "Gas-Cuntism" would be usful in the Art section. 92.232.222.157 (talk) 12:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:19, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Game of Thrones
Is somebody going to write a section about the use of the word "cunt" in Game of Thrones, especially when used in the presence of young girls? (eg, scenes with The Hound and Arya)

Not saying a taboo was broken, but damn, it sure feels like it.

Apparently there are many articles about this in the wild, so references should not be a problem.

2600:1700:6EB0:80E0:B1A1:7F41:2E3A:4C39 (talk) 17:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * There are already pleanty of examples of "cunt" used in movies/TV mentioned in the article. I suspect there is little to be added to the article about yet another show using the word. But, that is a decision to be made by consensus of the editors following this article. Donald Albury 19:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Offensiveness
The [12] reference doesn't support the idea that "cunt" is most heavily tabooed word in the english language. and, the word although seems out of place. the [11] reference seems to be a book from 1991 which seems a bit old, especially since "nigger" is considered far far more offensive in american english than cunt. 50.96.138.38 (talk) 23:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Drag Usage
Can anyone find sources for the usage of cunt in the drag community? In drag circles it's used to mean 'fierce femininity' like Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, etc. I've looked a bit but not finding anything sufficiently reputable so far; likely because it's not allowed on RuPaul's drag race, which popularized many drag terms. 𐂂Paragon (talk) 20:09, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2023
"However, in Australia and New Zealand it can also be a neutral or positive term when used with a positive qualifier (e.g., "He's a good cunt")."

It should say:

"However, in Australia and New Zealand it can also be a positive term when used with a positive qualifier (e.g., "He's a good cunt") or a neutral term such as ("he's a dumb cunt but such a good mate"). This is particularly outside of the city. In Australia the word "cunt" in these contexts is completely abstracted away from female genitals and is gender neutral. 49.3.56.149 (talk) 15:35, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The currently cited sources do not support this change. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

- This article is leading with the definition "cunt is a vulgar word for the vulva or vagina." But this is an opinion. It should start with cunt is a word that refers to the vulva or vagina. It is used in a variety of ways, including as a term of disparagement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueeyedmaiden (talk • contribs)

Link fix suggestion
Subplot link in source should link to Story within a story or Story within a story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C01:4E87:F800:146A:541B:BEAD:44EA (talk) 23:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Done. Thank you for the suggestion. Donald Albury 01:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

"Stupid cunt" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Etymology section
The etymology section is clearly pushing the reader towards a certain perspective without adequately supporting the claim that "most sources consider the word to have derived from a Germanic word..." What sources? Not disputing the claim, I would just appreciate some article links here.

Further, in the next paragraph, the sentence about relationship with Latin cunnus, cunni, m. is phrased in such a way to make the reader doubt this possibility ("Relationships...have not been conclusively demonstrated."). Has the relationship with the Germanic word been conclusively demonstrated? If so, I would love a citation!

Also, this bit about Grimm's Law comes out of nowhere and similarly isn't cited. Is this simply an editor's speculation, or is this a theory that scholars have proposed? Once again, would like a link to an article or book chapter if that's the case!

First98Things (talk) 03:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)