Talk:Cup of Russia in artistic gymnastics

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The title of this page should be "Russian Cup," not "Cup of Russia," as this is the proper English syntax for what is a genitive phrase in Russian. I don't know how to change titles, so if someone who does can, that would be swell. Otherwise I'll just come back to it when I have the time to learn how.131.123.61.15 (talk) 17:59, 4 April 2017 (UTC) And see this article, for example: "Cup of Russia". And "Bank of America". Do you want to rename it too? And America's Cup. And Skate America. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2017 (UTC) And yes, as you have mentioned, there's also the ISU Grand Prix Cup of Russia. No, I don't think its name is "the result of translation by a non-native English speaker". (It was originally created as part of the international ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating series. It's not like it was some Russian competition whose name they then had to translate into English.) And search the news, the expression "Cup of Russia" is used much more often: "Cup of Russia", "Russian Cup". (There's also a soccer competition called like that.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 19:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Okay, maybe you're right: here's a Google News search for "'Russian Cup' 'gymnastics'". International Gymnast Magazine Online does indeed call it "Russian Cup" and not "Cup of Russia". --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:10, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't agree. It's proper English.
 * The figure skating competition title is likely the result of translation by a non-native English speaker. "Bank of America" is a company name, so proper syntax is irrelevant. A more appropriate comparison is the translation of Кубок мира, which in English is "World Cup," not "Cup of the World." In general, English avoids "of" phrases wherever possible. See also: Russian Artistic Gymnastics Championships rather than Championships of Russia in Artistic Gymnastics.131.123.61.83 (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * What's the difference? "Bank of America" and "Cup of Russia" both are proper names. They both don't have to conform to some manual of style.
 * The soccer competition is called ""Russian Cup"" in English, not "Cup of Russia." You get far more hits in a simple Google search for the phrase "Russian Cup" vs. "Cup of Russia". Additionally, "Russian Cup" is the preferred term of English-speaking journalists and fans. I am not saying the phrase is grammatically incorrect or does not get the meaning across. But it would be like saying "Российский кубок спортивной гимнастики" in Russian. The meaning is clear and the grammar is technically fine, but it sounds quite awkward to a native speaker's ear.174.104.125.241 (talk) 01:43, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what I should do... This "in artistic gymnastics" part sounds awkward to my ears too, but I still think that "Cup of Russia" is how they would call it in English.
 * What would you like to rename it to? "Russian Artistic Gymnastics Cup"? I've searched on Google and it came up with only two hits on the whole Internet: . One looks like a spam site and it is not working and the other is a copy of an old version of a Wikipedia page titled "Russian Art Week". --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

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