Talk:Curb Your Enthusiasm/Archive 1

'Concept' section seems non-factual
In the 'Concept' section, it is said that Larry makes innappropriate comments and gets offended when people don't adhere to his arbitrary rules. I've always thought that Larry was the only sane one in a world of nuts. Like when Larry calls Caroline Rhea 'Carolyn' and she gets all upset. To me, Rhea is acting like a complete prima donna, and Larry just made an honest and inconsequential mistake.

Now, this is just my opinion, but I think it is as valid as the 'Concept' writer's opinion. So I don't think the article should judge who is the unreasonable person Curb, for it is meant to be an encyclopedia entry not an essay on social ethics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 00:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC) --203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)--203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)Matt--203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Ok, so I've changed it. Hope nobody minds. If you disagree, please say why. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 01:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC) --203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)--203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)Matt--203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Season 7 NOT filming
Season 7 is not being filmed. Larry is currently shooting a film with Woody Allen in New York. Larry takes a break between seasons of Curb. Once he has decided to do another season he then writes all the episodes, and THEN starts shooting. The Susie Essman quote was misinterpreted by some celebrity blog. Please address this, I can assure you season 7 is not confirmed yet alone filming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.65.141 (talk) 06:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

What about Jon Stewart saying on the Daily Show a month or so ago that filming was due to begin in December. And how can an unnamed, unsigned, unregistered source 'assure' anyone of anything? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.238.8.128 (talk) 12:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Has CYE jumped the shark? Its "humor" seems to be more desperate and vulgar.Lestrade (talk) 03:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)Lestrade

No, it's just not staying in a rut: doing the same thing over and over again is boring, and Curb just has no formula to stick to. At least, that's my interpretation. Jumping the shark is a somewhat relative affair —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 23:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)  --203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)Matt--203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * What are you guys talking about I bought the DVD of the 7th series months ago! Now the real question is..is there gonna be an eighth season?

WHY IS SEASON 7 INFO UNDER "CRITICAL RESPONSE"
HOW THE HELL DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?


 * Calm down now. Just change it! Except you don't need to, as I'm going to do it.  MFlet1 (talk) 11:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Impact
The Impact section and the section on References to Other HBO Shows is overlapping. These should be combined and just get rid of the impact section since there's nothing really there about it's impact on anything.

Also, that awful Lisa Kudrow show should be included, as it was a blatant rip off of Curb. I think the 'impact' section is now called 'Inspired shows,' but whatever it should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 01:07, 25 November 2009 (UTC) --203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:39, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

--203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)== Is a sitcom ==

The previous version said that it isn't a sitcom - it is. A sitcom doesn't need multiple cameras and a laugh track. "Curb" is certainly situational (A rich writer's social foibles). Shapedy 22:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree.Looking at the wiki for sitcom curb meets none of the conditions such as laugh track,common setting (he is always somewhere new,look at how many times he moves house).I will be changing it to plain comedy to avoid this problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.243.253.112 (talk) 23:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This is nonsense. A sitcom doesn't need either a laugh track (Peep Show, The Royle Family, The Office etc) or a consistent setting (Blackadder, Reginald Perrin). The Wikipedia article merely says that sitcoms "usually" or "generally" consist of these things, not that they always do.  MFlet1 (talk) 12:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Right, but most comedy is 'situational.' I think 'unsigned' gives a clearer reason for thinking that Curb is not a sitcom. Your reference to The Office doesn't help: I'm not sure THAT is a sitcom either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 23:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC) --203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)Matt--203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Confusing dates
The opening paragraph mentions the 1999 special that later spawned the series, but the side-box lists an initial airing date in 1998. IMDB lists the initial airing date as October 15 2000, but perhaps someone a bit more familiar with it could clear that up? - DaveR 03:34, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Last episode
What is the wikipedia convention for the last episode date. If the season finale (but not necessarily the series finale) has already taken place and there is a long break until another episode, if any, what do we write for the last episode? CoolGuy 01:57, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

You don't write anything for the final airdate unless it is the last episode. Zone46

British show with same title?
There was a British show with the same title that is extremely famous in Germany but unheard of in the UK. It is considered by many to be a classic on a par with faulty towers. There was I think only one show and it involved (a butler?) who continues to serve his now lady diner. I do remember the punchline "The same procedure as last year, Miss ((can't remember))" to which she replies "Yes ((butlers name)), the same procedure as last time Mr. ((blank))"

Does anyone know how to find info on this program now that the US show is around?

The show is turning into a legend as great as the One arm kickboxing movie, and I'm beginning to wonder if it's just an urban legend.


 * An IMDB search for "Curb Your Enthusiasm" lists only the US Larry David show. Sorry, dude. --Jacj 21:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You're thinking of Dinner for One. --Serge 23:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

And as a non contributor, Dinner for One sucked ass. Sorry. 71.194.6.238 06:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

High definition?
From looking at the images contained on List of Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes, it appears that season 5 was shown in high definition. Is this correct? Was this the first season to do so? Cheers, Lbbzman 00:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

No episodes have been aired in high definition. This makes no sense with the success of the show and the number shows aired in HD now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.200.89 (talk) 19:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Music
I've added information about the music, this information is from the sleeve notes from the album that I own and commissioned, I'm happy for them to be used here before anyone points it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickspace (talk • contribs)

Can anyone explain to me what the hell is going on in the third paragraph of the music section? I'm tempted to delete it because I don't think it's relevant to the music of the show, but I don't understand it, either. Wangoed 14:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Somebody thinks that including in this article a list of tracks from the CD is a copyright violation, in particular violating the copyright of amazon.co.uk . See Copyright problems.--Mathew5000 16:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops, my mistake. It isn't the list of tracks that was thought to be a copyright violation, it was the info about the CD in this edit. It is in fact a clear copyright violation as it copies verbatim from the review at Amazon (five paragraphs beginning with "The utterly compelling music"). The copyvio text was added by User:Rickspace, who founded the record label that released the CD. (And guess what, the same user also created the article for the record label he founded.)  --Mathew5000 06:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * And if you look at the top of this section you'll see a comment he left on this very matter. Qutezuce 06:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I have removed the copyvio tag from this article. Copyvio is to be used when it's not possible to revert back to a version of the page that doesn't have copyright violations. Since only one section of the page is in question, it's more appropriate to just revert. See Copyright problems for details. Cheers, Lbbzman 11:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why did you guys remove it? I clearly said that it was OK for the article to be used here. --Rickspace 15:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

In the music section track 7 is listed as "Ein Swei March" - Renato Rascel. Am I correct in thinking that this should be "Ein Zwei March" - Renato Rascel? One Two March in German...... the S should be a Z. I'm thinking its a typo since S and Z are adjacent to each other. Or is it really meant to be an S? piratemurray 00:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Piratemurray (talk • contribs)

Largo
Largo (nightclub) says that the original HBO special was recorded at that (tiny) nightclub in Los Angeles, CA. Unfortunately it doesn't cite a source that supports that. If one can be found, that would make a nice addition to this article (indeed, a bit more in general about the special might be worthwhile). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Final season?
I see that there is now a mention that the sixth season will be the last for the series. Can we get a citation for this? From what I've heard, every season could be the last until suddenly Larry feels like making a few more ;) Technocratic 13:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I also thought that this was the final season, and was surprised when I came to the article page and saw no mention of it being the final season. I just got through watching the season 6 finale, and it certainly seemed like it very well could be the last episode based on the way they wrapped it up with Larry marrying(?)Vivica Fox's character and becoming a part of their family.Aoa8212 06:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Other Music Pieces Not on Soundtrack
A certain piece of piano music is not on the soundtrack but was used in the show as well as several current A.G. Edwards TV commercials. It's very choppy and catchy. Does anyone know the name or artist of this piece? People across the 'net have been trying to figure this out. Thanks. Cale 07:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually there are several pieces from the show not included on the unofficial soundtrack. Does anyone know the names/composers? 24.88.64.59 03:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)King Negro


 * One of the pieces used in CYE but not on the UOST is Georges Bizet "Bohemian Dance" from "Carmen Suite" (note: the suite, not the actual opera). It is first featured in the "Interior Decorator" (obviously because the decorator's name is actually Carmen) - a short "jingle" is played when Cheryl introduces Carmen to Larry, a longer version is played starting with the fight at Diane Keaton's house and ending when Larry finally enters the doctor's office. 195.69.82.60 11:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * An instrumental version of "Three Little Maids From School Are We" (from The Mikado) is frequently used throughout all seasons. See this video on youtube for reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.69.82.60 (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Another piece frequently used on the show is "España" by Emmanuel Chabrier. See this video on youtube for reference (starts around 00:21). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.69.82.60 (talk) 12:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * In "The Bowtie" episode during the "Larry is back in the lesbian bosom" montage the overture of Die Fledermaus by Johann Strauss II can be heard. See this youtube video for reference.


 * In "The End" the music accompanying Larry in Heaven is Nino Rota's "Amarcord" theme. This piece can be also heard in one of the last episodes of Season 6 while Larry is having a "Cheryl" flashback. 195.69.82.60 (talk) 13:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Ewan McGregor?
For some reason Ewan McGregor was said to be Larry's second guide in "The End", so I changed it to Sacha Baron Cohen. Tuwile 07:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The Book
The book has bulleted "features" listed and does not appear to add anything to the article. Many television shows have episode guides or other related books printed. As a bookseller I have no covert motives here, I just think it's inappropriate for an encylopaedic article. 24.90.138.194 06:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

medical gaze
To look into a person's eyes to find out if he tells the truth is quite an ordinary thing. I don't see why this should be called medical gaze.


 * I guess there's quite a difference between an ordinary person judging the validity of a statement that another person has made by being aware of this person's facial expressions and LD examining someone else's eyes from up close and from all angles and for half a minute, as if he actually expected to find physical evidence there. :) 62.152.162.122 23:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Correction to Season 5 Plot
In my opinion, Larry being adopted is the major plot for this season and the Kidney for Lewis is a subplot.

For one, The introduction of the adoption plot begins before the kidney plot. It is introduced and is the main part of the first episode, as is the main plot in the prior seasons. The kidney plot does not even get introduced until the 5th episode (of a 10 episode season).

Also, the final episode of Season 5 is dominated by the wrapping up of the adoption plot. In fact, the only reason the kidney plot is wrapped up or included in this episode is because of the solution to the adoption plot.

Overall, it has more general weight to the season.

I think this should be discussed because these seasons will be marked in the future by plot/subplot and therefore it should be correct.

Erik Zarikian 03:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Break tag
Why does this article have the break tag on it and not other article like The Wire? Looks unattractive and like a disclaimer I'll remove it in a week unless I get a response. Aaron Bowen 23:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

trivia?
it doesn't seem to me that this bit of trivia is really related to the show at all

"In the 14th season hallowe'en episode of The Simpsons, Homer kills death and after Marge asked him to take it out to the curb, Homer replies "I'll curb 'em... without enthusiasm.""

to curb ones enthusiasm is a, pretty uncommon, but still used phrase that has existed before and independent of the show

e.g. http://exaggeratedreaction.blogspot.com/

Amirman 03:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Kingsport, Tennesse
I reverted to the previous version of the the article because someone had changed Los Angeles, California to Kingsport, Tennessee and Sienfeld to Trucking in the concept section. For more information on this user (whose edits all relate to Kingsport, it seems) see 71.203.255.140.

Sdoroudi 01:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Greene
Jeff is not obsessed with sex as described in his short description. That is misleading. Does anyone else agree? pickleops
 * Jeff is obsessed with sex. I'll look up the character bio on HBO. Lordofthe9 18:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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Popular culture section
Here we have yet another pointless trivia section, for which I have added the trivia template. Unless someone can think of a way to incorporate these almost completely irrelevant facts elsewhere in the article, I propose we delete the whole section. There is not one notable piece of information among them. Straussian (talk) 12:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, well seeing as no one's objected, I'm moving entire section here. If anyone really thinks any of these factoids are notable, verifiable, and worthy of inclusion in the article's prose, then please do your worst. Straussian (talk) 03:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone has since restored this triva section. I asked that anyone who disagrees with me removing it discuss it here, but no one was forthcoming. Let me point out that the onus is on whoever thinks it should remain to explain why any of this is notable/encyclopedic, not for me to justify my deletion. Wikipedia policy is clear that trivia sections are discouraged, and seriously, most of the entries in this list are obscure to the point of parody. If anyone really thinks these "facts" need to stay then it is their responsibility to work them into the prose of the article. Let's discuss it here instead of reverting the removal. Straussian (talk) 13:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I hadn't seen your first post before I reverted. I agree that some of this stuff could be pruned out, but I think others are relevant. For example its noteworthy that Curb inspired the creation of two other shows. And the Curb references in other popular TV shows add to its credibility.
 * Maybe some of this stuff can be moved to a new section ("Impact" maybe)? -Roger (talk) 14:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I would certainly support the inclusion of information regarding the shows that Curb has inspired, as long as reliable sources can be found to support this. Straussian (talk) 14:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

References in other popular culture

 * In "Making a Stand", an episode of Arrested Development, Rolando asks Michael if the improvisation will be "unscripted like Curb". The same scene involves the actor Lobo Sebastian, who played Jesus in the "Christ Nail" episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm.


 * In the 2005 movie The Upside of Anger, Kevin Costner's character and two girls are watching TV, and though the screen is never shown and the sound barely audible, closed captioning confirms they are watching Curb Your Enthusiasm. They are watching "Trick or Treat", where Larry is complaining about two girls defacing his house after he refuses to give them candy. Mike Binder, who directed "The Upside of Anger", appeared in the CYE Season 2 episode "The Massage".


 * In The Sopranos episode "Where's Johnny?", Junior Soprano is seen watching the episode "The Doll". Due to his increasing dementia, he mistakes Larry David for himself and Jeff Garlin for Bobby Baccalieri, and is confused as to why they are on television.


 * In "Hamburger", an episode of Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job!, music commonly used in episodes of Curb Your Enthusiasm plays during awkward interactions between the title duo and comedian Neil Hamburger. The "Frolic" theme song to Curb Your Enthusiasm also plays over the end credits sequence.


 * In "Radio Friendly", track 6 on Abdominal's first album, "Escape From The Pigeon Hole", CYE is referenced as being a good TV show (along with Arrested Development and Ali G).


 * In the song 'The Heist' by Incredibad (the hip-hop group from The Lonely Island):
 * "Yo what wacky circumstances to lead all of this to happen
 * yo it's just like on fuckin' Seinfeld or Curb Enthusiasm
 * those were both by Larry David
 * no doubt Dunny, that's true..."


 * In 2005, Danish comedians Frank Hvam and Casper Christensen created the comedy series Klovn, which is inspired by Curb Your Enthusiasm.


 * Starting in 2005, German comedian Bastian Pastewka produced the comedy series Pastewka, which was loosely based on CYE. Though scripted and not improvised (as CYE is), similarities extend to its title theme which closely resembles CYE's original ("Frolic" by Luciano Michelini).


 * In an episode of Family Guy, a flash-back shows Luke Skywalker in Star Wars Episode IV, just before the assault on the Death Star. In the famous scene Luke calls out one of the rebel pilots who says they will never be able to hit the small power core target, but Luke claims he hunted womp rats on Tatooine so its no problem.  The rebel pilot is offended and asks to speak to Luke in private.  When he talks to Luke there is a clear reference to Curb.  Luke acts defensively like Larry, and won't admit he was wrong to call the pilot out.  The scene ends with Luke being called a jerk, the Curb music, and a close up of Luke's face.


 * Marc M. of the website Sick Animation references the show in his song "Halloween Costume Contest":
 * This Halloween I was thinking that I’d maybe
 * Go dressed like Larry David
 * If I can find the right glasses then I would
 * Look pretty pretty pretty good

Season 6
What did everyone think of season 6 and i want everyone to tell me the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.106.105 (talk) 20:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This isn't really the place to discuss that. Try the IMDb forums: -Roger (talk) 00:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Why not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.106.105 (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Because this is an encyclopedia, not a discussion forum. -Roger (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * or is it? IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 15:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Season 6 was junk.Lestrade (talk) 00:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)Lestrade

Should there be separate articles for the real Larry David and the fictional Larry David?
I was just thinking there that it might be a good idea to have separate articles for the real Larry and the fictional Larry? Anyone agree/disagree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackster (talk • contribs) 18:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

agreed!

Title Card Picture
The picture in the infobox is not the Title Card, but it is labeled as so. I actually have no problem using this picture because it is synonimous with Curb. However, if we use it I think we should change the label to more accuratly convey what the picture is. Spydy13 (talk) 00:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Politics
The series may exhibit a leftist, liberal political bias. Many of the guest stars are sympathetic to such views in their private lives. Does the political aspect of the series spoil the comedy?Lestrade (talk) 15:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Lestrade


 * Is this a serious question? MFlet1 (talk) 16:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Even if this question wasn't prima facie absurd, addressing this in the article would be original research. Clconway (talk) 16:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The article is about a television series. The question is about a possible characteristic of the series. Where is the prima facie absurdity? This phrase means that it should be considered to be foolish, false, or logically contradictory before it is even investigated. Why can't it be taken seriously? It seems to me that User:MFlet1 and User:Clconway merely want to dismiss the question without making an attempt to answer it. This is a common practice when a question addresses a sensitive issue that profoundly affects emotions and feelings.Lestrade (talk) 14:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Lestrade


 * The show is a sitcom. The question of political bias isn't even relevant. Even if I stipulate its relevance, the show is about show business celebrities and their wealthy friends, who are portrayed (accurately) as by-and-large reflexively liberal. So what? If you want to dig up some critical essays that have something interesting to say about the show and its political point-of-view, feel free to link them in the article under "Critical Response". Your question, as phrased, is an invitation to include original research in violation of WP:OR. Clconway (talk) 15:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The show is not merely a sitcom. The entertainment industry has chosen to use its productions to express its political convictions. As a result, the audience is subjected to political influence. It might be a good idea for the article to note that the supposed sitcom is not being used to provide only comedy. Instead, it is being used for political propaganda. For example, in Season 5, Episode 7, "The Seder," there is much mockery of President Bush and of conservatives. Shouldn't a Wikipedia article provide information on how a supposed comedy sitcom is being used to for political influence? If not, then the influence is insidious.Lestrade (talk) 16:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)Lestrade
 * That the main characters are largely liberal and sometimes find themselves in conflict with more conservative characters over political issues is indisputable and possibly worth mentioning. That the show is "being used for" and "subjecting" the audience to political influence is POV. Clconway (talk) 00:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

When a viewer senses political interest or intent on the part of the comedy's author, the viewer no longer finds the comedy pleasurable. Interest, intent, and willing spoil every artistic effect. That is why I asked my question at the beginning of this section. It is also why I presented the question seriously, not as an absurdity.Lestrade (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)Lestrade


 * You make an interesting point, which might prove the basis for a provocative essay. However, it is not appropriate for inclusion in this Wikipedia article. Please see What Wikipedia is not. Clconway (talk) 18:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This could be an interesting point, but you need to refine the statement you make above about what "the viewer senses" because Jon Stewart and Bil Maher are still found to be funny by people who must be able to sense the political interests of the shows. Also, to support your claim about the shows liberalism, I would point out the episode "The Seder".  In that episode Jeff is implying there is something wrong with his brother in law and Larry correctly interprets that what is wrong is the brother in law is a conservative.  This is also an example of the show poking fun at its own liberal bias, as they use motions and expressions that many Americans would interpret as implying that someone was gay to say that the person in question is conservative.  In a way, they are pointing out that being a conservative in LA has a similar stigma there as being homosexual in other areas does.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.185.21 (talk) 21:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Lestrade, your question was taken to be absurd because of the last sentence, "Does the political aspect of the series spoil the comedy?" Certainly this couldn't be anything more than an opinion. And, as others point out, it doesn't even seem to be an opinion shared by everyone (people love political comedies like the Daily Show). You later posit some reasons why a person would be put off by a political comedy, but again you do no more than posit them (which scientific paper did you read this in, for instance, and what experiments were done/utilised by the author?) and furthermore they are false (for if you are right people wouldn't enjoy Daily).

Also, your characterisation of the show as political seems very tenuous. It's a show about people, and politics affects people, so the inclusion of politics needn't be any more than a story device. It may be propaganda, but the mere existence of politics (even left-wing politics, espoused by left-wing characters) doesn't show this. The problem here is that the distinction between propaganda and good story isn't a clear one, or at least it's hard to clearly apply it to real-life situations. In a lot of (most?) cases, the line will be person-relative. I myself am certainly of the opinion that Curb is definitely not propaganda. I find the suggestion very hard to comprehend, though I will not deliberately mock it.

So, Lestrade, you asked why people thought your question was absurd, and (to my mind) you rightly point out that you should be given an answer. So the answer is that both your characterisation of the show as political and your suggestion that this would ruin comedy is clearly a POV thing, as well as very surprising to most readers, and also ignorant of the existence of 'political comedies.' (I use 'ignorant' here in the literal, not demeaning, sense). At least, those were my thoughts as I read your initial post, and I am just assuming that other respondents share my viewpoint. I hope that all helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 00:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC) --203.45.146.36 (talk) 02:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)Matt

Inspired shows
I agree with the anonymous editor whose work has been reverted. The "Inspired shows" section is pointless and a huge attractor of unnecessary "me too" edits. (The same is true of the "Notable one-appearance guest stars" section, but that doesn't appear to be a winnable argument.) Clconway (talk) 23:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Another recurring theme
Why doesn't the article mention another theme often seen in this show, that of anti-christianity? I've only seen about a dozen episodes, however many of them had scenes in which Larry mocks or ridicules Christianity. One example is when Larry urinates on a picture of Jesus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.37.186.106 (talk) 00:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The article can't mention every religion that is mocked. If it did, it would also have to describe the way that Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and Islam are often ridiculed by Larry David.Lestrade (talk) 15:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Lestrade

Besides, I'm not sure that's anti-Christian. He's not urinating on Jesus to make a statement; a bit of piss accidentally splashes back onto a picture of Jesus. I don't think Larry (fictional or real) is really trying to say anything negative, and if he is you've got to read quite a bit into it. When Larry peed on a wall, no-one said he was anti-walls. I think Larry just thought it was a funny image. At least, I'm not sure why we shouldn't give Larry the 'benefit' of the doubt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 00:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

he didntpee on the picture of jesus he peed in the toilet and the picture of jesus was right near ir and he was on a medication that caused him to pee like a hose so a drop got on the picture of jesus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.243.9 (talk) 20:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

lists (guest stars, etc)
The lists dominate the article, so I'm trying to cut them down and link to more appropriate pages. Here's the list that was in the guest stars section -- if someone wanted to work a couple of the key ones in as prose, it would help flesh out the section a little. Linked to List of Curb Your Enthusiasm guest stars -- Intractable (talk) 21:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Guest Stars

 * Bea Arthur as Larry's Mother in "The End"
 * Ed Asner as Mr. Weiner in "The Acupuncturist"
 * Anne Bancroft as Herself in "Opening Night"
 * Anita Barone as Denise in "Denise Handicapped"
 * Muggsy Bogues as Himself in "The Surrogate"
 * Barbara Boxer as Herself in "The Anonymous Donor"
 * Sacha Baron Cohen as Larry's Guide #2 in "The End"
 * Stephen Colbert as Tourist Man in "Opening Night"
 * Steve Coogan as Dr. Bright in "The Therapists"
 * Josh Cooke as Dan in "The Bowtie"
 * Rob Corddry as Rick Leftowitz in "The Seder"
 * Lolita Davidovitch as Beverly in "Vehicular Fellatio"
 * Colby Donaldson as Himself in "The Survivor"
 * Kevin Farley as Mike the Exterminator in "The Rat Dog"
 * Crista Flanagan as Mrs. Seiderman's Nurse in "The Larry David Sandwich"
 * Kate Flannery as Cop #2 in "The Corpse-Sniffing Dog"
 * Judah Friedlander as Donald in "The Blind Date"
 * Jorge Garcia as the Drug Dealer in "The Car-Pool Lane"
 * Ian Gomez as Bald Chef in "The Corpse-Sniffing Dog"
 * Kevin Heffernan as TiVo Guy in "The TiVo Guy"
 * Hugh Hefner as Himself in "The Smoking Jacket"
 * Dustin Hoffman as Larry's Guide #1 in "The End"
 * Ken Jeong as Man in Jersey #1 in "The Anonymous Donor"
 * Maz Jobrani as Sikh in "Opening Night"
 * Nathan Lane as Himself in "Opening Night"
 * Lucy Lawless as Herself in "The TiVo Guy"
 * Bobby Lee as Sung in "The Korean Bookie"
 * John Legend as Himself in "The Bat Mitzvah"
 * Zachary Levi as Bellman in "Opening Night"
 * George Lopez as Himself in "The Ski Lift"
 * Diane Keaton as Herself in "Interior Decorator"
 * David Koechner as Joseph in "Mary, Joseph and Larry"
 * Holly Madison as Herself in "The Smoking Jacket"
 * Bridget Marquardt as Herself in "The Smoking Jacket"
 * Paul Mazursky as Norm in "Opening Night"
 * John McEnroe as Himself in "The Freak Book"
 * Michael McKean as Matt Tessler in "The Bat Mitzvah"
 * Tim Meadows as Hal in "The Rat Dog"
 * Alanis Morissette as Herself in "The Terrorist Attack"
 * Kevin Nealon as Himself in "Kamikaze Bingo"
 * Laraine Newman as Wendy in "The Group"
 * Oscar Nunez as Male Parking Attendant in "Interior Decorator"
 * Bob Odenkirk as Gil in "Porno Gil"
 * Catherine O'Hara as Bam Bam in "Funkhouser's Crazy Sister"
 * Shaquille O'Neal as Himself in "Shaq"
 * Gary Player as Himself in "The Smoking Jacket"
 * Rob Reiner as Himself in "The Thong"
 * Meg Ryan as Herself in "The Reunion"
 * Christian Slater as Himself in "The Hot Towel"
 * David Spade as Himself in "The Reunion"
 * Sherry Stringfield as Mary Jane Potter in "The Hot Towel"
 * Brenda Strong as Dr. Susan Flomm in "The N Word"
 * Nia Vardalos as Larry's Lawyer in "Interior Decorator"
 * Chris Williams as Krazee Eyez Killa in "Krazee Eyez Killa"
 * Anton Yelchin as Stewart in "The Blind Date" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Intractable (talk • contribs) 21:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

More moves
So I moved the soundtrack listing to the record company page (is that just spam anyway?). I created List of Curb Your Enthusiasm recurring roles and moved the list there. Finally I moved the long plot season descriptions into List of Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes, moved the shorter description there from the concept section, and linked the seasons. I think it makes the article look a lot cleaner. Thoughts? -- Intractable (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Takes place in Brentwood not Pacific Palisades
The show takes place in Brentwood not Pacific Palisades. I have corrected this on the wiki page. Evidence for this is that in the frame 22 minutes into the episode of the current season called "Vehicular F," the street sign in front of Larry's house says "Brentwood Terrace." That is a street in the heart of Brentwood. Additionally, Larry is usually scene driving on San Vicente in Brentwood, as well as going to restaurants and shops in Brentwood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshyag (talk • contribs) 07:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know. Larry and Cheryl moved several times in the course of the series and I don't recall the show ever being explicit about where they lived (except for obviously they are in the greater LA area). Clconway (talk) 16:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Why does it say...
"Seven seasons of the series were produced and aired on HBO between 2000 and 2009"

Something like that would make one infer that the series is over and finished. There hasn't been any confirmation from anyone saying that it's done. Sure, one could make a "guess" or "prediction" an 8th season may not happen, but until Larry says for sure there will be no 8th season that sentence should be worded better. Something like "Seven seasons of the series have been produced to date and have aired on HBO" would fit better. Just seems like a poor way of wording it the way it currently is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.51.228 (talk) 06:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Be bold. Clconway (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Removed (non)controversy section
I removed the "2009 controversy" section about the "Bare Midriff" episode based on WP:NOTNEWS. A reported and uncited criticism by the one-man Catholic league isn't notable enough for the main Curb page, esp. since it's not even included on the lengthy Catholic league page. --Junius49 (talk) 01:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that was the right thing to do. Phil Nolte (talk) 11:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Scripted? Loosely scripted? Improvised?
Can someone clarify (and provide a citation) whether CYE is completely scripted, loosely scripted, or entirely improvised? The introduction to the Wikipedia article refers to CYE as a "scripted series", and yet other sources say that it isn't. The introductory statement might be misleading, because HBO might put the show in the same category as scripted shows, even if CYE is plotted and then improvised, or loosely scripted. Can someone find a source that actually clarifies how the show is written? &mdash; Lawrence King ( talk ) 03:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It's loosely scripted. Here's a pretty good source: . Clconway (talk) 11:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I added this information and the citation to the article. &mdash; Lawrence King ( talk ) 17:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Longest running series?
I'm not clear on what the claim that Curb is "HBO's longest-running scripted series" is supposed to mean, exactly. Seven seasons have aired, with an eighth in the works for a total of 80 episodes. But Entourage has an eighth season order that will bring it up to at least 90 episodes. It premiered as a series in 2000, which means it will have been on the air for more than 10 years by the time the eighth season is over, whereas Entourage has only been on for six years. So is the claim that Curb has been on the air the longest? Is it the longest-running series currently in production or the all-time longest-running series? The claim is actually a transcription of press release puffery, so maybe it should just be removed. Clconway (talk) 18:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It's referring to how long it's been on the air, at almost 10 years now. And actually going back to 1999 when the original special aired. Curb is indeed the longest running comedy or drama series on HBO, past or present. I really wouldn't call it "press release puffery", as I think it's a notable piece of information. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, the press release doesn't provide the context necessary to analyze the claim. I'm going to clarify the language, so at least it's verifiable. Clconway (talk) 00:15, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Another thing is that it's only been on the air longer than any other series because it's taken significant breaks between seasons. There are several HBO shows that have more episodes (e.g., Sex and the City had 94, Dream On had 120). It may be the only series to reach an eighth season... Clconway (talk) 01:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

CYE on CW network
Surely it's been truncated to fit their 30-minute slots? Imagine Reason (talk) 20:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

"A-Listers"
What about Wanda Sykes? Why isn't she listed? First of all, she has a "recurring" role and secondly, she is an "A-lister" as well as one of the funniest characters on the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.1.66.44 (talk) 22:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

How is David Schwimmer an "A-lister" yet Jason Alexander and Julia-Leyfus Drewis (sorry about my spelling), also cast in a multi-million dollar generating sitcom are simply "Seinfielders"? maybe it is more relevant, still i wouldn't call Schwimmer A-list when he hasn't really been in the public eye of late.


 * I think if someone was at one point an A-lister you would still refer to them as one in regards to guest appearances. I think that Seinfielders is a more specific than just any other A-lister, not meant to be a put down to them.

Running Gags
A running gag that should be added is how every time Larry commits an innocent faux-pas involving a black person, Wanda Sykes is there to accuse him of being a racist. These scenes are always hilarious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.1.66.44 (talk) 22:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Another running gag that should be added is Larry never having cash with him.


 * I'd also say that baldness is a recurrent theme/joke, though I'm not sure how to phrase this. Larry regularly refers to bald people as a group (we), and characters also frequently make insults based on Larry's baldness.  (Also changed the title of this section rather than create a new one, hope that's ok).

Another possible addition could be the fact that in about 9 shows out of 10, Larry doesn't wear short sleeves or shorts, with a couple of exceptions being the Polo shirts in "Trick or Treat" (Season 2) and when he is swimming at the start of "The Larry David Sandwich" (Season 5). He even wears long sleeves and trousers at the beach and playing tennis. He lives in Los Angeles!


 * That would probably be more of a personality trait rather than a running gag. Definitely a bit odd, though. ;) ChazBeckett 13:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

"Pret-tay, pret-tay, pret-tay good!" 71.185.231.154 03:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Notable guest stars
In order to avoid a slow creep back to the endless list of guest stars we formerly had (see above), I propose that we limit the list of "notable" guest stars to those who: (1) appeared in multiple episodes and (2) participated in an extended story line. Candidates would thus be Michael York (4 episodes), Martin Scorsese (2 episodes), Mel Brooks (4 episodes), Cady Huffman (4 episodes), Paul Mazursky (5 episodes), Ben Stiller (2 episodes), David Schimmer (3 episodes), Mekhi Phifer (4 episodes), Michael Richards (3 episodes), Jason Alexander (5 episodes), Julia Louis-Dreyfus (8 episodes), and Jerry Seinfeld (6 episodes). We should also try to err on the side of brevity, I think, both for style and to discourage "me too" edits. Clconway (talk) 15:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Why isn't Wanda Sykes mentioned anywhere? [Moving comment by User:108.1.66.44 to make it clear it's not mine. Clconway (talk) 14:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)]


 * Wanda Sykes had a "recurring role"; she was not a "guest star." She is mentioned in the "Concept" section and appears in the List of Curb Your Enthusiasm recurring roles article. She isn't mentioned in the brief "Recurring roles" section, probably because she hasn't been a regular since Season 5 (Shelley Berman, Bob Einstein, and J.B. Smoove have all played bigger roles in the last two seasons). Clconway (talk) 14:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I want to reassure any editors that add to this list and get reverted by me: I do not dislike or fail to appreciate the special genius of your favorite guest star. The goal is to keep the list clear and concise. As yet, nobody has objected to the above-proposed criteria for inclusion (multiple episodes, significant story involvement). If you do, make it known here. Clconway (talk) 22:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Bring back Cheryl to the characters section!!!
There needs to be info. on her, she was a main characters for most of the show!!!!!!Caringtype1 (talk) 20:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly: was. There is info, but not in main characters, and I moved the paragraph to List of Curb Your Enthusiasm recurring roles. She hasn't been around for pretty much the entire season... Hearfourmewesique (talk) 00:39, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * She's been readded to the section. There was no reason to remove her simply because she didn't appear in the latest season. She is a main cast member for seasons 1–7, one season doesn't invalidate her existence. Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Single Camera vs. Two Cameras
This source says(http://www.photomartuniversity.com/?p=3178): Curb usually deploys a two-camera setup—with one camera always trained on David.

The article marks the show as "single camera". I know this is not the typical sitcom multi-camera setup in front of an audience but I think that "single camera" doesn't describes it, either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.231.128.62 (talk) 06:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * "Single-camera" doesn't actually mean they use only one camera, no scripted TV series uses just one camera when filming. Single-camera means the shooting style of the series, not just how many cameras are used. It is a single-camera series though. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for commenting. I think in this case the article about single-camera setup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-camera_setup should be altered because there's no mentioning about the use of more than one camera in a single-camera setup (let alone that all TV series use at least two cameras although using single-camera setup). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.177.143.216 (talk) 09:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Hiatus/comeback
This article seems to ignore the fact that Curb was put on hiatus/cancelled between Nov 2009 and July 2011. Why it went off, why it came back, etc. CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 18:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's much to that. There were also lengthy hiatuses between seasons 3 and 4, and then seasons 6 and 7. Cable shows tend to have longer hiatuses than network TV, and with Curb, it's essentially up to Larry David as to when he wants the show to return. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:36, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

What's the show about?
I think this would be important to put on the page: Larry David gave an interview where he explains what's the show about; he says it's about puting the thoughts everybody has but nobody admits having them or expressing them because they are inapropriate. I think it's an exact description of the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.176.96 (talk) 00:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Groat's Disease
"Groat's" is used more than once in the series but there is a distinction made by calling it "disease" (terminal illness) and "syndrome" (hyperactivity). Also, I don't really see the reason for having this section in the article. The scenarios covered in the series are varied and difficult to count or categorize in this manner. The list is hardly exhaustive because it would be a tremendous and haphazard task to break down all the scenarios the character gets into over the eight seasons. Yes, the "prettay good" and staredowns are recurring gags that can be remarked upon but that's about the extent of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.3.141 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Stylised
I think we should include in the opening line of the lead the stylise Curb Your Enthusiasm (sometimes stylised as Curb your Enthusiasm) like the way many other articles are E.g. Humans (TV series), Greek (TV series), Jyrki (TV show), Wentworth (TV series)... to name a few. Thankyou --  John Gormley J G  ( ✉ )  14:23, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


 * No, the lettering is not changed as in your first three examples. The fourth has no stylised change. - Gothicfilm (talk) 04:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Any reason for it not to be included in Curb? --  John Gormley J G  ( ✉ )  13:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If the lettering is not changed it's not notable. - Gothicfilm (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The style of lettering changes. --  John Gormley J G  ( ✉ )  15:33, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with Gothicfilm, it's completely minor and not notable, nor do I do see how it adds anything to the article. Drovethrughosts (talk) 15:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)