Talk:Curling at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Men's tournament

Explanations needed
Stolen Ends For, Stolen Ends Against, and Shot Percentage need to be explained/linked! How shall you know what this is???--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 11:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Stolen is easy, if you have the "hammer" (last rock), and you don't score or blank, then you've been stolen against in the end (round). If you score and you don't have the hammer, then you've stolen for.
 * There are 10 rounds to a game (10 ends to a draw), the person who shoots last in an end has the last rock (hammer), you steal an end when you score without having the hammer, you are stolen against when you don't score but the other team (rink) does when you have the hammer.
 * I never understood sports stats too well... so I can't figure shot percentage, since it never made sense to me, like football or baseball stats are also senseless... 70.29.210.242 (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * In the hopes of making questions such as Anaxagoras13's easier for the questioner to answer him/herself, I have altered the article slightly. I have changed the first sentence to begin: "The men's curling tournament will...," and added a "See also" section with a link to "Curling at the 2010 Winter Olympics."  It is strange that this article did not include any direct links to Wikipedia's Curling article. (Also, wouldn't curling tournament more logically link to "Bonspiel" than any one particular tournament?)  Physcher (talk) 08:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There's still no key or explanation for x's (the hammer) use on this page/the templates. --Notmyhandle (talk) 00:44, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah... I wouldn't know exactly how to rectify this. After checking a few games, I think the "Hammer" icon in the scores indicates which team had the last rock (the hammer) in the first end.  This allows you to figure out which ends -- or which first scoring ends -- were steals without relying on guess-work.  I'm really not sure how to put this information into the article itself, and any meaningful change would probably require an alteration of the Curlingbox template. -- Physcher (talk) 09:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I ought to create an article on shooting percentage. Basically, every shot a player throws is marked out of four. The % is the total score over the total possible score they can get. The marker must use his own judgement as to what to score each rock. It's a totally meaningless stat when it comes to the overall results, but it does show how well a player has been playing. The Olympic website has a summary of all the shots and what score was given on each for an idea of how they score each shot. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:05, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Canada & US game
Just to point out since I can' edit this page that the game that happened today between Canada and the US is wrong. They blanked the 8th end at Canada scored 2 in the ninth, not Canada scored 2 in the 8th and the US shook hands.--Bio1590 —Preceding undated comment added 20:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC).

✅ Verified the line score per VANOC site and changed. —C.Fred (talk) 20:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Draw Shot Challenge
It would be good to include the results of the "Draw Shot Challenge" held at the beginning of the tournament to determine last stone. It's also used to break ties. The trouble is, I have no idea where to find this information. It doesn't seem to be on the Vancouver 2010 website or the WCF's. 82.124.110.89 (talk) 23:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've never seen this published in the past. I would imagine a quick email to someone might rectify this. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:06, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Bracket
I do not think it is wise to have the bracket include the tiebreaker game. It makes it look like the playoff format was to include the top 5 teams, when in fact, the one game was an ad hoc contest. MrArticleOne (talk) 13:21, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree for two reasons. One the Playoffs are single elimination matches, and the same can be said for the tiebreakers. Second, the bracket clearly labels that first match as a tiebreaker and the second round as the Semifinal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SargentIV (talk • contribs) 18:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Are tiebreakers single elimination? What would have happened if three teams tied for the last slot; would it not have been a round-robin? —C.Fred (talk) 18:41, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There would be two rounds. A tie-breaker semi, and a tie-breaker final. The teams would be seeded based on their record against eachother, and if still tied, the draw to the button contest held prior to the games. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Assessment
Today I visited the article and have rated it Stub class, because while it's long on numerical details, it is short on story and explanation. It could also use linkages to explain curling's terminology, which curlers understand well, but a neophyte wouldn't understand.  PK T (alk)  17:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)