Talk:Curse at Alton Manor

Curst At Alton Manor
Could be merged with the new attraction article if found that the revamp re-uses most the original scenes (like Duel did) once opened, otherwise separated to keep this article from getting too long and complex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Detachio (talk • contribs) 10:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

--Ride Experience--
I don't really think the ride experience section is detailed enough, I think there should be like written review on various scenes, NOT an opinionated review as with wikipedia the pov needs to be neutral but a description of scenes. The ride experience on Trimper's Haunted House is quite detailed decribing the props and effects thoroughly I think the same should be done with this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.140.42 (talk) 14:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Now it certainly isn't detailed enough, Duel is important enough to warrant as much detail as Disney's Haunted Mansion. It has entertained guests with it's dazzling UV effects and larger than life ghouls since 1992 and continues to do so today. I have a moral duty to do this ride justice on this article and reverting my work is an act of obstruction and a crime against all cultural sanity. It clashes with my moral compass! --2A02:C7F:9034:AE00:DDAA:DDD7:11C0:152B (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Spoilers
How do you make a spoiler banner in this article (i'm new to this, don't shoot me if I don't know how), because the description of the ghost train part of the duel haunted house is getting detailed and riders should not really take a peak pre-riding if you see what i mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antidanguy (talk • contribs) 22:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * we don't typically do spoilers here, see WP:Spoilers, oh and welcome aboard!. Dbrodbeck (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * err I meant we don't do spoiler warnings, sorry about that. Dbrodbeck (talk) 01:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Duel= Ride Experience
Think we should do an in-depth description of duel after the change-over, anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.219.207.216 (talk) 12:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

All done now, and it seems really detailed. If there is too much detail then it may be trimmed a bit, but all the necessary info is there.Woombamillio (talk) 16:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Duel theme musical differences
I dunno about you Woomabillio (or whatever ur wikipedia name is not in a spelling mood), but think we should write about how the duel theme sounds differently depending on which area in the ghost train your in or what speakers your listening to. Because it does add alot to the atmosphere. Recently in 2009, which duel theme version you heard in a certain area all got changed around and has kinda stayed the same except the music from the skel corridor currently interwines with the music from the HOS. should that be written about or is that too much detail —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.140.42 (talk) 22:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Redirect
An IP user, 92.20.148.198 has twice turned this page into a redirect. Now, I actually don't care a whole lot (I don't know how this got on my watchlist....) but an article with this much content that has been around for this long, I think just turning it into a redirect ought to be discussed. Dbrodbeck (talk) 00:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * This ride is a VERY minor ride at Alton Towers, and has no reason to have its own article.--92.20.148.198 (talk) 22:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case send it to AFD and see what happens. Dbrodbeck (talk) 23:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I would say it's excessively detailed, but there appears to be some independent reporting on this attraction, which would go to notability. It may not have the cache of Alton Towers' roller coasters, but I think there's something here. The excessive detail can be toned down, and since there's nothing here that a little work can't fix (certainly no need for a fundamental rewrite), if it does go to AfD, I'd vote to keep. -- McDoob  AU93  21:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

With respect 92.20.148.198, I have you know that Duel is certainly "not" a "very" minor ride at Alton Towers, it is the remains of a haunted house ride that was once marketed in the 1990s as a flagship attraction on a par with the likes of Nemesis and Corkscrew. Also because of it's predecessor it houses a lot of unique characters and special effects seen in a lot of UK Dark Rides due to budget constraints. There is also an ongoing debate as to what Duel's future is going to be, whether or not it's going to get turned back into the Haunted House and because of it's rich history of the developing and changing of scenes throughout it's years I think it warrants as much in depth detail as the Haunted Mansion at Magic Kingdom. Just because it doesn't happen to be a roller coaster doesn't stop it from being as important as one. Even if it was a minor ride, what damage would an article do, apart from provide more information on one of the UK's leading theme parks, Alton Towers. Feel free to post any counter-arguments against this very statement, thank you for reading. --94.0.86.66 (talk) 20:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.218.252.123 (talk)

Minor or Major ride?
With respect 92.20.148.198, I have you know that Duel is certainly "not" a "very" minor ride at Alton Towers, it is the remains of a haunted house ride that was once marketed in the 1990s as a flagship attraction on a par with the likes of Nemesis and Corkscrew. Also because of it's predecessor it houses a lot of unique characters and special effects seen in a lot of UK Dark Rides due to budget constraints. There is also an ongoing debate as to what Duel's future is going to be, whether or not it's going to get turned back into the Haunted House and because of it's rich history of the developing and changing of scenes throughout it's years I think it warrants as much in depth detail as the Haunted Mansion at Magic Kingdom. Just because it doesn't happen to be a roller coaster doesn't stop it from being as important as one. Even if it was a minor ride, what damage would an article do, apart from provide more information on one of the UK's leading theme parks, Alton Towers. Feel free to post any counter-arguments against this very statement, thank you for reading. --94.0.86.66 (talk) 20:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Jesus christ why are the detailed edits being reverted - Duel is as important as the Smiler --90.199.121.253 (talk) 21:40, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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PROTEST
This ride is as important as Haunted Mansion, bring the ride sequence back! Please. Lets argue about this here and now! Italic text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.248.66 (talk) 11:51, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

There is no justification for removing the ride sequence due to the reasons stated above --90.206.186.179 (talk) 16:29, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

If Trimpers can be overly detailed so can Duel - simples --2.217.52.199 (talk) 22:28, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

- Restoring this article to a readible, encyclopedic version is nothing to do with the "importance" of Duel. I revert the article to its correct version not because I have decided "Duel is unimportant". In 2010 I wrote a long rambling version of the article and since then realised this was a mistake, hence reverted it. Adding so much unsourced, descriptive detail simply prevents people from learning anything factual about the ride.

I would argue all the other articles about attractions you reference on Haunted Mansion and Trimper's should also be reduced in detail. Subjectively explaining every single detail in the ride is arbitrary, obsessive and spoils the intentions of surprise, reveal and non-verbal experience in the attraction's design. This page should be reduced to factual information - anything more than this can be experienced by simply going on the ride, as was intended in the ride's design. Wikipedia is just for learning factual information and not to act as a written representation of the ride.Woombamillio (talk) 14:40, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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Ride audio
Arbitrary swapping between scenes proves that any slight differences between the L & R channels of the *same* mix is just a coincidence of the way the scene amps are cabled. The music was temporarily changed source to a difference track for Duel Live in 2009, after that the original sound cards would have been reconnected and obviously the L&R channels were swapped - nobody cares, it would have been pure coincidence. There is no intention to zone the scenes in Duel, any difference would simply be the same difference as splitting the L and R channel on a CD track and swapping them over. This is entirely different to the way the original Haunted House music was set up with distinct tracks for each scene. The comment about "new stereophonic music track" with certain instruments in some scenes is totally arbitrary, unencyclopedic, unimportant to the ride, and has come from one person's insistent interpretation while watching a few YouTube videos. Stop putting the comment back in.Woombamillio (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Its basically my way of talking about the two different channels and because one verison does sound softer or scarier than the other, its worth mentioning. Any other approach is just bullshit propaganda saying roller coasters are more important than ghost trains. --193.61.240.44 (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

This is nothing to do with "propaganda saying roller coasters are more important than ghost trains" at all. You are clearly not objective about this and therefore your constant reverting is out of a bizarre personal agenda. The idea that one channel of the same stereo mix sounds "scarier" than the other is down to pure personal interpretation, since any difference between them are minute and unintentional. Please stop adding your own interpretation as if it were fact. Absolutely nobody can benefit from reading this.Woombamillio (talk) 15:38, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

How the hell is it "detrimental" to the article though, its harmless factual information. We could say "one version has the guitar the other has the high pitched strings"

I never said it was detrimental, I said it was redundant and non factual. It's one of countless uncited interpretation that this article was previously full of and is useless information for anybody reading. Ie, whether the music is "stereophonic" bears no significance to the ride's design, when stereo mixing has been the standard for 50 years and the ride will have far more than just two speakers throughout, which you travel past in your car, therefore has no "stereophonic" effect according to the definition of stereophonic.

The two "versions" you claim to hear are either so indifferent that it's purely pedantic to mention them, or are just the difference in room accoustics making you heart this.

The article has since become much more readible for visitors with the stripping out of obsessive interpretation. This is nothing to do with how "important" or not anybody thinks the ride is.Woombamillio (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Its more readable if the viewers know what goes on in the ride. the room acoustic differences are worth noting its not like its just bass and treble but different versions --193.61.243.11 (talk) 10:18, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

UV Strobes
Seems apparent that the same user has been trying to insert random descriptions of UV strobes into the article in the last couple years, under many different IP addresses. Some of the ride's effects have often been lit with strobe lighting and/or UV. I don't see why special mention should be made about some kind of 'UV strobe upgrade' in 2018.

The only thing that specifically changed in 2018 was replacing some more lights with LED units, including some UV LED. LED is just a standard lighting technology for any application today. You wouldnt go through every article on Wikipedia and detail when a light fitting in a ride or exhibition has been changed to LED. There were LED units used in the ride prior to 2018 too.

More importantly, this is a level of pedantry not necessary for a Wikipedia article. The descriptions added about strobes and UV were also non-technical and a strange interpretation of theatrical lighting, not relevant. The focus on the article should be more general and not one man's interpretation of individual light fittings.

It's far more helpful just to state the ride was relit in 2018 since this covers everything. It was also relit many times between its change to Duel and present day yet these arent mentioned (and don't really need to be). Detachio (talk) 16:12, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

But the lighting changes in 2018 were most noticeable, it's pitch black barring strobes in the spiders room for god's sake Italic text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:9034:AE00:A551:4B6B:3DC1:D21 (talk) 20:39, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Restoring to former glory
Now the Duel section of the article is the way it should be. Any issues let us know ImTheUnsub77 (talk) 06:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)