Talk:Curtis Axel

Questions
He's birthday on here may be wrong.I am friends with Joe on Myspace (I know it could be an imposter but I don't think so).It stated that he is a Libra and his birthday is October 2 not in July.I think this should be looked into and also I read back in April on a wrestling site that Joe and his wife had a daughter.I congratulated him about the child and he corrected me and said they had a son in March.The month is not really important but it should be looked into.Just my opinion. (MgTurtle (talk) 16:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * Unfortunately, there's not a lot we can do without reliable sources, and MySpace, even if we could confirm it as his official one, doesn't count. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 01:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Nexus
People are adding Michael McGuillicutty and Husky Harris attacked John Cena at Hell in a Cell 2010. WWE has not officially acknowledged them as being the ones who interfered in the match last night. Please stop adding this section until WWE confirms it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.216.2 (talk) 16:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Ben Rothelisberger
This guy looks exactly like Ben Rothelisberger. Are we absolutely sure he isn't Big Ben's twin? I need confirmation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.100.16 (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * To the best of my knowledge, Hennig only has one sibling, a sister named Amy. I've never heard of him having a twin. I'd say it's pure coincidence. Nici  Vampire  Heart  16:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Michael McGuilicutty or Curt(is) Axel?
Apparently, this page was moved to "Curtis Axel" the very nanosecond that he made his appearance on tonight's Raw. Is it really necessary to already rename this page so soon? I'd like to know, especially since he's best known as Michael McGuilicutty, and his sidetron said "Curt Axel" rather that "CURTIS Axel". -- SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  01:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I find that odd too. Hennig didn't exactly set the world on fire as McGilicutty but he held that role for so long and had enough high profile feuds as part of New (and original) Nexus that I agree that, at the moment, McGilicutty is the name he is best known by.  WWE.com refers to him as "Curtis" but his side tron did say "Curt".  He'll probably go by "Curtis" if his online profile says so but we can't know for sure right now.  Until we know for sure we shouldn't be taking those chances.  The move was made too fast if you ask me.... We waited until Fandango made it to Wrestlemania before they moved his page from Johnny Curtis.  Main eventing one Raw and getting and endorsement from Paul Heyman is huge but may not stand that test of time.  Beware of WP:CRYSTAL-LM2000 (talk) 03:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait. We have to wait until Curtis Axel is more notable than Michael Mcblah. We don't put the name if he is using right now, we use Commonname, and now, with 3 years in WWE main program, one wwe tag team title and nexus, the commonname is Michael. One raw isn't enought. Maybe, in a couple of months, he is important, but tomorrow WWE can drop the storyline. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Or, why not name the page "Joe Hennig" since that's his birth name? His current ring name, Curt Axel, is a tribute to his father, Curt Hennig, and grandfather, Larry 'The Axe' Hennig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.133.24 (talk) 16:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd have gone with "Perfect Larry". InedibleHulk (talk) 18:27, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WWE.com now has him officially listed as Curtis Axel, and when he came out for his match with HHH, the sidetron did say "Curtis Axel". And after the intitial run with Nexus, McGillicutty/Axel was hardly seen except for an occasional Superstars or Saturday Morning Slam match for nearly two years.  So the "McGillicutty" name is hardly that important where we have to keep it. (talk) Vjmlhds 16:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * We aren't talking about the name now. We are talking about the common name, and a name that hennig used since 2010, in Nexus, as Tag Champion and WWE main TV Program is first than a name that used one time. Mike Hettinga is in TNA under the name of Knux, but his common name is Mike Knox. Rami Sebai is in NXT as Sami Zayn, but his common name is El generico. Like Johnny Curtis to Fandango, we have to wait. One line:our politic is Common name, not Current name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

One thing that seems clear is that we currently have an article called "Michael McGillicutty" that does not mention that name anywhere in the lead. I do not know enough about the man to feel competent to fix this, but someone should. ubiquity (talk) 16:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with changing the article name to "Joe" or "Joseph" Hennig, simply because its his real name, and while the more hardcore wrestling fans know him as McGillicutty, the vast majority of people won't recognise the name. I think its probably too early to change the name to Curtis Axel however keeping the name Michael McGillicutty is pointless. Deely   talk  14:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Also I have to disagree with HHH Pedigree about McGillicutty being his common name. What's more common, his real name, or a name he used for a couple of years with no real recognition or degree of success? Deely   talk  14:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that McGilluCutty is his common name. He only used Joe Hennig in FCW (only hardcore fans see FCW) but around the world, in national and international TV, for 3 years, he used the name McGillicutty. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The point I wanted to make was that while Joe Hennig is his actual name, he only used McGillicutty for a stint in which he never really achieved anything noteworthy and therefore isn't nowhere near as known as McGillicutty as he is for being a Hennig, or even as Curtis Axel. Deely   talk  21:09, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, but he never used his real name in a WWE ring, only in FCW. For 3 years, he appeared in a global TV show as McGillicutty and the most of the people known him as McGillicutty. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You definitely have a point however there is just the issue that McGillicutty is not his current name. I know all about the common not current policy but however I believe that here either one of the other optional names would be better suited than Michael McGillicutty given the current situation. Deely   talk  22:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Axel "McGillicutty" is slightly more common in sources (for time reasons), but it was never close to a "household name", even among general wrestling fans. Given that he's aligned with Heyman now, it's probably safe to assume he'll have a much more substantial push. It won't be long before this name is much more familiar, and in the sources that better demonstrate notability. Joe Hennig would be an acceptable second choice, since there are more people alive (time reasons again) familiar with his dad's last name than with either of his ring names. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Let's move this page to "Curtis Axel"! This is his current ring name! --TheGoldenRule (talk) 02:21, 29 May 2013 (UTC) Michael Mc Guilicutty is so 2012! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGoldenRule (talk • contribs) 02:23, 29 May 2013 (UTC) Every wrestler wikipedia article has the name of the current ring name of the wrestler, not the Christian name (Kane, Undertaker and so on). John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Ryback, Rey Mysterio, Brodus Clay, Hulk Hogan... So we take the current (and most popular) ring name of the wrestler... Curtis Axel is a future main eventer. --TheGoldenRule (talk) 02:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind waiting one or two months to see how far he's pushed. Starship.paint (talk) 12:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * A month or two sounds fine with me. We can't really know for sure without WP:CRYSTALing it, but after main eventing two Raws and getting that Heyman bump it does seem almost inevitable Curtis Axel will overshine the tremendous legacy that Michael McGillicutty left for us.  Just not yet.  And to TheGoldenRule: notice how Zeb Colter and Sin Cara (among others) redirect to articles that hold the title of the name they are known best by (WP:COMMONNAME) rather than the name they current go by.LM2000 (talk) 04:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Page name
I suggest the page name and URL should be reading Joe Hennig, his actual name, with Curtis Axel and Michael McGillicutty as redirects to here.Corabal (talk) 09:31, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * We never use the real name as title. Only when the real name is the common name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:29, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well there are exceptions, like Nelson Frazier Jr. and Mark LoMonaco. Both wrestled under various names and none in particular stands out as the definitive WP:COMMONNAME.  I still think that McGillicutty stands out as Hennig's COMMONNAME, and there's no reason to move the page to "Joe Hennig" because "Curtis Axel" will most likely become the definitive COMMONNAME at some point.LM2000 (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "We never use the real name as a title." Woah, massive generalisation there... I'm pretty sure it depends on the article. I agree with Corabal, Joe Hennig is the most rational and appropriate name for this specific article at this moment in time.-- Deely  talk  22:37, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, 99% of the times, we use the ring name. As LM2000 says, only use the real name when it's hard to say what is the common name (and when the real name is the ring name, like John Cena or Randy Orton). --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * So as of right now his common name would seem to be McGillicutty, if he receives a lot of success/popularity as Axel then the page can be moved then. I would support a move to Joe Henning in the meantime, as it will be up to debate on which name would be the most common.  STATic  message me!  23:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like we're already all too eager to put the cart before the horse here. From the lead of Larry Hennig, as of its most recent revision yesterday or today:"Larry 'The Axel' Hennig (born June 18, 1936) is an American retired professional wrestler. He is the father of the late 'Mr. Perfect' Curt Hennig, the grandfather of Joe Hennig (better known as Curtis Axel--named for his father and grandfather), and is best known for his work in the American Wrestling Association, National Wrestling Alliance and World Wide Wrestling Federation. Hennig was also known for his muscular neck which, to this day, measures 22 inches."For real? First off, it's not "Larry 'The Axel'", but everyone should know that already. Second, better known? He's been called Curtis Axel for what, two weeks now? RadioKAOS –&#32; Talk to me, Billy  19:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Intercontinental Championship grounds for move?
As Curtis Axel, he is now Intercontinental Champion...I believe now would be a good point to move the page to his current name. Tom Danson (talk) 05:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Honestly I agree. It's about time his name changes here because by winning this prestigious title, his current name kinda triumphs, in popularity, over his old name imo.   srsrox  BlahBlahBlah...   14:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I mean it is still pretty quick to move the article. However Curtis Axel WWE already turns up much more hits on Google then Michael McGillicutty (only around 500,000) and Joe Hening (even less than that). After winning such a major singles title he has already surpassed the accomplishments of McGillicutty.  STATic  message me!  15:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with those above, now is a good time for the move.LM2000 (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, If you want to move it, do it. Heyman, IC, PPV... commonname --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Move?

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Michael McGillicutty → Curtis Axel – the wrestler has been known as Curtis Axel for the past month. I think by now Curtis Axel is the "most common name" for two reasons: 1. as Curtis Axel, he is the current WWE Intercontinental Champion, surpassing his accomplishments as Michael McGillicutty, and 2. "WWE Curtis Axel" gets FAR more Google hits than Michael McGillicuty or Joe Hening.  With the title win, consensus seems to be that it's time to move it now. -- Tom Danson (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Moved from speedy

 * Note: This seems to revert a page move on 22 May 2013, and there are some remarks on the article's Talk page that seem to indicate confusion or lack of agreement. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That seems to indicate this isn't non-controversial, so should be a full rename request instead of a speedy one. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 22:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Survey

 * The comments of disagreement date back before he won the Intercontinental Championship; consensus seems to be that awith the IC title win, Curtis Axel has officially accomplished more than Michael McGillicutty. Tom Danson (talk) 02:28, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * i agree. Wingman1 02:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingman1 (talk • contribs)
 * I agree --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:42, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree.LM2000 (talk) 18:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per above section.  STATic  message me!  18:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * SUPPORT About time. Deely   talk  16:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Reasons stated above, plus what I said before too.   srsrox  BlahBlahBlah...   16:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Genesis
Michael Cole on 23 Novemer 2014:
 * "The theme of tonight, in many ways, could be rebirth, King."
 * "If team authority loses to team Cena, we could see a Genesis in WWE."

Cole's choice of commentary got me thinking, outside of this speech, did he as MM or CA ever use the word "genesis" in an interview again? It would be worthwhile to note, I think. Perhaps Ryback made a reference to it? I have not seen all the backstage interviews of RybAxel so if anyone knows please list other mentions of Genesis in relation to Curtis in case we can compile notable information for a mention on this page. 184.145.17.94 (talk) 04:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

WWE article says Axel has grounds
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2015-02-02/wwe-raw-results-27067819/page-3


 * the non-exit of Curtis Axel, who was jumped before he could officially enter the over-the-top-rope fracas and was therefore never eliminated and therefore has grounds to demand a WWE World Heavyweight Title Match at WrestleMania

Since WWE officially has said he has grounds I suggest this be included, I'm getting 'pending' can someome else? Also added proof of Storm/Dreamer/Woods/Otungs support for him and his rebuttal vid after the Ambrose match if a reviewer agrees.

Since the Rumble controversy has led to Superstars/Raw appearances I also question if latest section should be called NXT. 174.92.133.107 (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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