Talk:Curtius baronets

to do
add wives

swap with William Curtius page [done Sept 2018]

infoboxes [done]

Infobox baronetage

Somej (talk) 09:12, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

National Portrait Gallery
June 2013 I've written to National Portrait Gallery to ask whether they have a source for their caption for Sir William as " Swedish Ambassador to England" rather than English Ambassador to Sweden Somej (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Aug 2013: National Portrait Gallery is correcting its caption Somej (talk) 01:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Secretary to Frederick?
Curtius served as secretary to King Charles I's Calvinist brother-in-law, Frederick V, Elector Palatine, The page refs are to the 2000 reprint!

Oman is citing the same letters as in Akkerman - so lacks any direct statement that Curtius was employed by Friedrich.

England, 1632
in 1632, Curtius was sent by Vane to England: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-state-papers/venice/vol23/pp1-10#anchorn8

Vicenzo Gussoni, Venetian Ambassador in England, to the Doge and Senate, london september 17th: ''A gentleman of Vane has arrived from Germany. He went at once with despatches and instructions to find his Majesty, who is still engaged in his country recreations. (fn. 8) From what has transpired so far he let some of the ministers here know that the ambassador in question had not been able to conclude anything with Sweden on behalf of the king here. The Agent of the Prince Palatine, who now believes that the slender thread which still remained to some extent, has now been completely cut, in this ill managed affair, makes no effort to repress his feelings. He complains that his master has to look for help to every quarter but this, and in the end he will have to look to the King of Sweden alone for any relief that he may one day receive. As a matter of fact they are trying to gain time here, and any delay that occurs to postpone the payment of their monthly subsidy, they consider so much to the good, as keeping further away from this crown such circumstances as may constrain it to summon parliament, which one may say is more hateful to the ministers and to the king also than any other thing.

[fn] 8. William Curtius, who reached the Treasurer at Roehampton on 2/12 Sept. See his letter to Vane of 6/16 Sept. S.P. For. Germany, States. Vol. 39.

Sir Francis Nethersole, Queen Elizabeth's agent in London, was charged with convincing King Charles' to fund an army to free the Palatinate. Charles being unwilling to convene parliament to raise public funds, Nethersole instead sought to raise the money privately: Curtius was to collect the funds from donors. The scheme halted abruptly when Charles was so offended by Nethersole's public comments about his lack of support for his elder sister that he had Nethersole cast into the Tower.

Somej (talk) 08:38, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

England 1636
in 1636, Curtius was back in London, as chaperone for Elizabeth's teenage sons Charles Louis and Prince Rupert. He reported back to Elizabeth in great detail on various discussions and negotiations that Charles Louis had had with King Charles and others, seeking funds and other support.

from the Prince Rupert page: The Palatinate cause was a popular Protestant issue in England, and in 1637 a general public subscription helped fund an expedition under Charles Louis to try and regain the electorate as part of a joint French campaign. Rupert was placed in command of a Palatinate cavalry regiment, and his later friend Lord Craven, an admirer of Rupert's mother, assisted in raising funds and accompanied the army on the campaign. Spencer, Charles. (2007) Prince Rupert: The Last Cavalier. London: Phoenix. ISBN 978-0-297-84610-9

to Hesse
in late 1638 or january 1639, Curtius went with "Monsieur d'Estampes" (Jean d'Estampes de Valençay, Ambassadeur en Hollande, en novembre 1637-1638, appelé le marquis d'Estampes; or Jacques d'Étampes, marquis de la Ferté-Imbault, Mestre de camp propriétaire d’un régiment de cavalerie de son nom en 1638 (à la formation des régiments de cavalerie), présent au combat de Mouzon et au siège d’Yvoy en 1639, et nommé Ambassadeur de France en Angleterre en juillet 1641?) to seek the support of a Hessian army for the Palatine cause, with France offering to pay half its costs if Charles I would pay the other. However Charles was unable or unwilling to raise the funds.

Le e marquis d'Estampes le 20 mars 1651, à Paris, witnessed a royal contracts as« marquis d'Estampes, conseiller ordinaire du roy en ses Conseils et direction de ses finances ». Any connection to? Curtius' first wife, Katherine von Gressernich, whose uncle Jean Hoeufft was treasurer to Louis XIII until his death in September 1651, in Paris. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somej (talk • contribs) 08:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

other documents
Folio 225. 'Acta' between chancellor of Sweden and William Curtius, British agent, http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6657951

Umstadt
Versuch einer vollständigen geographisch-historischen Beschreibung der kurfürstl. Pfalz am Rheine von Johann Goswin Widder: Band 3 Johann Goswin Widder 1 January 1787

1650 Johann Wilhelm von Curti, genannt Curtius, laut der Rechnungen. 1674 Christoph Andreas von Wollzogen, vermög Dienerbuchs. 1681 Johann Wilhelm von Curti, genannt Curtius, Oberamtmann. 1691 Johann Philipp Freiherr von Frankenstein, resignerte

Oberamtmann

Somej (talk) 02:34, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Article title
Article seems to be about WC not the baronets as a whole. Might be better to split his life out, even if the baronets article is then a short. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC).

Thank you! Yes I'm working on a standalone biography, but I keep finding new info! Somej (talk) 09:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

-- It's done - now at Sir William Curtius Somej (talk) 09:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Letter to liebniz
Zunnero vestro Wilkinsii nostri characterem universalem, te ita jubente, tradendum curavi; eo ipso paene momento quo ad me e bibliopegi manibus pervenit. Id causae est, quod in illo novo Schemate Philosophiae adhuc hospes sum, tuo deinceps judicio civitate donandus. Olim cum studio mnemonico insudarem, id genus studiorum me forsan mirifice cepisset. Nunc τοÁ παÄν meum Praxin spirat, obvia sua facilitate lassatum Genium demulcentem. Litteras tuas Dno Oldenburgio inscriptas e manibus optimi adfinis Dni Fayi recte accepi et paucis post diebus per Cursorem Antverpiensem curavi, fasciculo Dni Comitis Arlingtonii Secretarii status inclusas et ejus amanuensi Dn. Williamsonio peculiariter commendatas. Est enim et hic Societatis nostrae membrum. Dominum Legatum Falcobrigium Oppenhemio ad vos secundo Rheno defluxisse, nunciavit mihi heri incoram Dn. Rokowodius. Male mihi est, quod Illustritati Suae cura vel curiositas antiquum hospitium Regis nostri (tunc exulis) videndi defuit. Potuissem enim, ut est politiori litteratura non obiter tinctus, Illustrissimi Dni Boineburgii (cui me Te parario quam officiosissime commendatum velim) et Tui notitiam et usum ei conciliare. Sed hanc jacturam Fama forte adventus ejus et vestra humanitas suppleverit. Vale et Salve cum cumulatisso Dno Lassero a Vestri studiosisso et ad omnia paranda paratissimo W. Curtio. Eq. Bar.

https://www.uni-muenster.de/Leibniz/DatenII1/II1_B.pdf pg 108 Somej (talk) 09:12, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Zunnerus your Wilkinsii our universal character, so I ordered a consignment of care; one might almost say the moment when it has come to me out of the hands of him bibliopegum. This is the reason, that in this new table, I am a philosophy still, with your judgment on the city, should be given. Once the study mnemonico insudarem, perhaps wishing that I had that kind of study. Now τοÁ παÄν my practical capabilities, to meet their facility wearied genius Demulcents. Mr. Oldenburgio inscribed letters from the hands of the best connection Dili Fayi well received and after a few days in the Cursor Antverpiensem care bundle Dili Earl Arlingtonii imprisoned and his secretary of state amanuensi Dn. Williamsonii particularly commended. Here there is also a member of our Society. Lord legacy Falcobrigium Oppenhemii Rhine flowed to you a second time, he told me yesterday incoram Dn. Rokowodius. Woe is me, the curiosity of an old house, or that of our King Illustritati the care of his (then an exile's) wanting to see. I could not, that is not the way dyed polished literature, Distinguished Dili Boineburgii (which I wish I prepared dutifully recommended) and your knowledge and use it to win. But the loss of this report may be coming to your humanity and supply. Hail and farewell with cumulatissimus Mr. Lasserre from your devoted and ready to do everything to prepare W. Curtius. Eq. Bar. Somej (talk) 09:16, 9 August 2016 (UTC)