Talk:Cusco (band)

Individual Album Pages
I had put a great deal of effort into getting all the individual album pages in working order. Then some editor came along and decided that most of them weren't noteworthy and removed or relinked many of the pages to the main article page (Surely at least Cusco 2000 and 2002 are notable, even if some other editors would conclude that some of the others may not merit their own dedicated pages). Now, however, someone has taken the time to restore many of those album pages, and I'm thinking of recreating the ones that were lost, since I still have all the information backed up.

However, I do not want the same thing to simply happen again. There was information in those album pages that would be definitely out of place on the main article page, which has me wondering if the best way of going about this is to create a Cusco discography page. It might give an opportunity to have one page that discusses the albums, but the format of those pages is different. I wouldn't be able to show the album covers unless I did some interesting table tricks, and I'm not sure if I'd be able to actually include the album information. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know so that I can consider them. Please, discuss the issue here BEFORE deleting or relinking pages! Thank you. MXVN (talk) 05:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


 * You're right ... the best way to go about organizing the lengthy list of albums is with its own discography page. I've gone ahead and created the page and moved the album information over to it.  Happy editing!  NewYorkActuary (talk) 00:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Sources and Notability
This is something which might take a bit of effort to properly achieve, as there are not a lot of places for information on new age artists, or this band in particular. Although they have had tremendous sales given their niche, and there is a lot of information on each album page as to which tracks were used wlsewhere, the verifiable sources are still missing.

The main article page has a flag which applies to the individual album pages as well, addressing this need. There has got to be a way of making sure that we have all the information we can find, and also source it as best we can.

I can check on trying to link to artists' PDF pages online and things of that sort, and also reference BSC's page and the like, but that doesn't necessarily mean that i know what will be required or that it will be easily achieved. If anyone else has more information and would like to contribute it, please, do not hesitate.

MXVN (talk) 01:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Compilation Links and Album Page "Vandalism"
There is no reason not to link to the individual album pages for the compilations. They are a part of the overall discography and should be treated as such. Individuals seeking information on the band will likely find the track listings of the various compilations interesting, and removing the links serves no practical purpose.

Also, the individual album pages have been, in my opinion, sabotaged because they didn't have actual sources citing how they were "important". They are important because they are a part of the discography, and if the reader wants to know which tracks were used in what, they have to be included. More information can likely be found, but this all takes time. I will attempt a restoration of these pages as soon as I can, but as the only one actively working on the article, it may take just a little time before this is done. I apologize for any inconvenience, and I'm looking into ways to make sure this doesn't happen again. I mean, it's a scary thought, but theoretically someone could come in and completely destroy the article, making several edits to each page, and then I'd get in trouble for making 65 "reverts" (3-revert rule). There has got to be a better way.

I have also discovered that almost all of the individual album pages have been removed as well. A couple times, I believe the editor had the best of intentions, but in most cases, important information was removed, or else the entire article even. I am taking steps to make sure this doesn't happen to our page again, although I agree that citing Billboard chart positions is a good idea (I've mentioned wanting to do this for a long time). Some language changes are, of course, understandable as different people will have different opinions on what is the most important information. However, removing either the enire article, or close to it, is confusing to me as it is not co-operative or constructive.

In the edit summaries, I was stating the reason for undoing the changes as "undoing vandalism". Possibly that wording is a bit strong, as obviously the editor was trying to remove unnecessary information as opposed to actually vandalizing the article itself. However, as explained here, I don't think this is the best way to go about this. I just don't want to get in "trouble" for attempting to restore information. More will be added, and hopefully that will end any debate as to whether the albums are "important" enough to warrant article pages. But again, it takes some time, and there isn't a whole lot of information on these types of artists out there, even though they are very successful in their fields.

MXVN (talk) 23:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Main Article
While it does make sense to create separate sections for the basic description and the biography of the band, the bio section needs to be greatly expanded, with separate sections for each time period. I am already working on this, and before long, the article should be much better than it currently is. The history as it is ... is so basic as to not warrant its own section. But trust me, a Cusco biography *is* in the works.

As far as a separate section for "style", while I could see the point of this, it seems pointless to devote an entire section to what would amount to two sentences, especially since those sentences fit very comfortably into the general description. What might make this a section worth adding, however, is if there were enough similar artists to compare Cusco to. I know that there are a few, but they're not really all that close. As far as I know, Eko's first album is probably as close as we're going to get. One of the things I'm looking at is linking some similar artists as listed in other guides, with a mention on how they are similar, and also how they are different. Most likely, the stylistic mentions will occur throughout the article, and a "similar artists" section will be added after the discography.

Speaking of the discography, there are a couple "rumored collections" out there titled "Island Collection" and "Poles Collection" ... but there is (as far as I know) no verifiable proof that these ever really existed. No album covers exist, nor record label information, and they literally cannot be found anywhere, in any form. The ones that we do have some information on are "Das Beste von Cusco" and "Wenn Steine träumen", and I'll be adding these shortly as well. I'm not sure just what to do about the vinyl singles of "Eldorado"/"Pacifica" and "Galapagos"/"The Lonely Leguane", but I'm sure that it will be mentioned in the article somehow by the time it nears relative completion.

Wikipedia is a community project, where no one individual takes "ownership" of the articles being written. However, it is always a good idea to discuss major article changes with those who have been constructing it on the talk page first. Big thanks go out, in any case, to anyone who can help me make this a better article. It's been a lot of work so far, and a lot more is needed to really get it into shape. :)

MXVN (talk) 14:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Album pages
There are so many small formatting mistakes on the album pages that I'm going to have to finish my edits tomorrow (and perhaps some on the next day. I will get round to it, and then perhaps they'll look neater. I also move the Kristian Schultz page to Kristian Schultze since it was a spelling error. I don't even know who these guys are... Tartan 18:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Oh, and I'll also organise the albums on the main page in chronological order (since they aren't even alphabetized). Tartan 18:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Finshed. Feel free to correct anything I've missed out or done wrong (such as the ordering of albums). Tartan 16:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Update: Zanthra and Tartan have apparently done some great work on this page. For information on the 2008 updates, please see the folowing sections below.

MXVN (talk) 10:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The record label "Ales" has apparently just released another Cusco compilation, oddly enough titled "The Best of Cusco". I've made a page for it now, and may update it s track listing soon.

There are also a couple other "unverified" compilations of which I'm not quite sure what to do. I can't find any trace of them *ANYWHERE* outside of a couple websites claiming that they existed at one point in time. I may have to make a section for "Rumored Compilations" or something to that effect. What's troubling is that one claims to have a title track which doesn't exist anywhere else.

I get the idea that it would be nice to have a page devoted to comparing which tracks have appeared on more than one compilation. I will very likely be adding this page in the near future, although it might get complicated not being sure exactly which version of, say, "Flying Condor" was used in an unverified compilation.

MXVN (talk) 08:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Release dates
Thank you all for putting up what information you have been able to find on this band. Unfortunately, for some reason it is very difficult to find accurate information regarding the record labels and release dates for this particular group. Many online discographies even have inaccurate information, which has by now propogated all over the web.

I have made it a sort of mission to get each and every release year exactly accurate, and that means tracking down the very earliest pressings of each album in question. By now, I can say with a high degree of confidence that every release date is now accurate. What this means, oddly enough, is that this article may be the only truly accurate albums discography on the web right now.

Thank you for your patience as I continue to refine what I can.

MXVN (talk) 12:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Expansions
I am working on getting all of the album covers online and in a somewhat standardized format (Prudence, Higher Octave, Kitty), as well as expanding the album descriptions with all of the crossover tracks referenced between albums. On the main band page, I plan to add sections which describe the band's sound as it has evolved through time. This may involve brief descriptions of the sound of each album string. If feasible, I may even add short sound clips, or at least point the reader toward the Cuscomusic page for samples from the Higher Octave releases. Also, I am trying to obtain award nominations and Billboard positions for each album that has charted since the New Age category first debuted in 1989.

Hopefully, as this work in progress all eventually nears completion, we will have a full and respectable Cusco page, and not just a stub (albeit by now a very large stub). Of course, I still welcome any additional information that can be supplied if anyone here knows anything that I don't. :)

MXVN (talk) 10:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Woo-hoo! EVERY SINGLE Cusco album release now has a page and a corresponding album cover. Shaping up more and more...

MXVN (talk) 12:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

In addition to refining things here and there, I do have the Billboard chart positions from Water Stories forward, and hopefully before long I'll have a list of the New Age Voice year-end point positions to work from as well.

Also, I've been looking for any other truly informative resources that may be out there, so that they can be linked from this article. Again, information is scarce, and it takes quite a while to strike gold.

I have been taking a look at the Wiki Projects page for albums, and I will be going through and doing some minor reformatting to more closely match what has become the Wikipedia standard. For instance, currently the track titles are in italics, whereas the standard calls for quotations and no italics. I may change the infobox for Sielmann 2000 Soundtrack to indicate that it is a soundtrack release, but the question then arises if Australia should get the same treatment.

MXVN (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Where should the Grammy nomination go?
Hello there,

Been a fan of Cusco since I was kid hearing my Dad's CDs of the band (especially 2000). I noticed that neither the main page nor the individual album pages go into detail on the Grammy nominations or other awards? Before I look into referencing them, I wanted to know if its best to list those things on the main band page, on the individual album page (if the Grammy is for that specific album), or on both? I'll hold off for a while on doing anything while I wait to hear back but I figure that if I don't hear anything after a while that nobody minds if I put it where I feel it best :) Hope all the fans are enjoying their week! Updatewithfacts (talk) 17:01, 16 June 2021 (UTC)