Talk:Cutter (professional wrestling)

Keep them seperate
Although they both are three quarter facelock holds the moves themselves are different enough and to observers different moves. --- Lid 01:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

They must stay seperate they are different variations of a three quarter facelock move... its like saying we should put Powerbomb and Piledriver together because they both start with the opponent head between the attacking wrestlers legs --- Paulley 11:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

We should keep them seperate. They are two different moves. Compare how Randy Orton stalks his opponent as he waits to do an RKO, while Stone Cold kicks to the gut and drops to his but, driving the opponents JAW into his shoulder. The RKO drives the upper part of the head into the mat. This is like saying we should put NBA (National Basketball Association) superstars in the WNBA (Womens National Basketball Association) just because they each play basketball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.158.158 (talk) 13:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I nominate we stop using really bad similes to disagree with this. --- Lid 13:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Lol, fair enough... though it was starting to get fun --- Paulley 15:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Exclamation Point?
Who came up with the name "Exclamation Point" for the lifting rolling cutter? I don't recall ever hearing that move named in that manner before reading it here. --70.181.59.230 21:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * i think its from british wrestling as the information was from british wrestler Ross Jordan -- Paulley — Preceding undated comment added 18:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Xtream Twist Of Fate
shouldnt there be a section for the Xtream Twist Of Fate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.152.243.219 (talk) 19:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * thats a neckbreaker... see Neckbreaker --- Paulley — Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, i wasnt sure what it was — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.152.243.219 (talk) 06:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It's the reverse twist of fate Cupcake3704 (talk) 17:15, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

William Regal invented the Diamond Cutter
Because I do not have direct sources to this information, it keeps getting reverted.

WCW/WWF/WWE veteran William Regal is the person responsible for the creation of the 3/4 Facelock Neckbreaker, and it's non locked offshoot Inverted Neckbreaker. Johnny Ace claims he is the person who invented it, however several veterans of the industry claim that Regal was the person who invented it. Regal himself stated as such, backed up by Chris Benoit, Diamond Dallas Page, Eddy Guerrero, Steve Austin & David Taylor in numerous interviews and online articles in the now defunct WCW website. It was also sourced in an old PWI Magazine, and also on the air when Diamond Dallas Page started using it.

William Regal also taught the variation that is the Stone Cold Stunner to Steve Austin in training, when Austin was trying to figure out what move he should have as a Finisher, and Regal told him try that.

Also the term "bulldog" is incorrect because a Bulldog can only be done from a Headlock position, which is the victim's head being under your arm, not over it as in this move. The "bulldog" part never was, and never will be part of the actual move name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.117.56.114 (talk) 23:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well i know the term bulldog is used for the motion of the early cutters in which a wrestler is placed in this head lock and draged forward and down (i.e. your normal bulldog but with a different headlock), the inverted neckbreaker is simply that (a neckbreaker put with the person the other way round) which is a more common motion of a cutter. As for Darren Matthews inventing the cutter move and teaching the stunner to Austin; please by all means find some written evidence and it will be included (well obviously the Stunner stuff would go in that article). Also the Stunner is a jawbreaker not a neckbreaker --- Paulley — Preceding undated comment added 00:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Well therein lies the asinine problem with Wikipedia.

How do you provide a source for interviews that are not available online? How do you provide a source for a defunct company in WCW, which hosted a website with the proof? How do you provide a source for WCW shows which had the announcers talk about it?

The entire world and everything that happened in it is not available online for the "proof" that you require.

Many articles in this website have no sources or proof, and only because they were the first person to make the page, it's deemed true? I have seen more than a dozen pages with false information, but because the only proof I have are defunct websites, live speech that was not recorded, and video interviews with people that are not online, the original person's false article remains.

Such is this place, if you write it first, it's true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.117.56.114 (talk) 02:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm a DDP fan and just happened to re-read his "Positively Page" recently. In it he credits Johnny Ace as the originator and states in the book that he asked Ace's permission to "use his move." It's in print but opposite of what you stated. P.S.: Please sign your posts with the four tilde's (~) Iadiedee28 04:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

No I did Cupcake3704 (talk) 17:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Clean-Up
Someone has added the RKO, Ace Crusher/Dimaond Cutter, Super Twist of Fate, and Powerbomb Cutter onto this page. The RKO and Ace Crusher aren't variations of the cutter, they are the cutter and shouldn't have a subsection. The Super Twist of Fate didn't need a section and could've easily been added in with the Twist of Fate. Also the Powerbomb Cutter was already there as the Yokosuka Cutter. I'm suggesting that this page needs to be cleaned-up a bit. (Jam) — Preceding undated comment added 03:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Sidewalk Slam Cutter
I have seen a move used by Jillian which I can only call "Sidewalk Slam Cutter". She lifts the opponent in a Sidewalk slam, but keeps lifting the opponent and flips them over into a "cutter style" move. Not sure if I should edit it into her moveset/the Cutter page yet. --Oxico (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

That is a [| Tilt-a-Whirl], the 360 Sidewalk lift you're trying to describe. Prince Bee (talk) 03:05, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Name Origin
Should there be a small section saying where the "cutter" name comes from (DDP's Diamond Cutter)? Cheers. Lemon Demon (talk) 09:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Blading (professional wrestling) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 14:14, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Twist of Fate/Hate
Currently the article states "This move is commonly associated with Matt Hardy and his former real-life girlfriend, Lita, who call the move Twist of Fate, as well as his brother Jeff Hardy, who calls it Twist of Hate."

Both Hardys commonly refer to the move as the Twist of FATE but have used the term Twist of HATE before, usually whilst heel. Also in a recent match when referred to as a Twist of HATE it was the stunner variant being used.

Could someone with some more knowledge look into this and if necessary change this information. 31.93.100.172 (talk) 22:36, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

What kind of cutter variant does Fenix and Santana do?
It's referred to by commentary and fans as a rolling cutter but it's different. Mojo72400 (talk) 14:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Austin Theory's ATL
He's been using the fireman's carry facebreaker under that name most recently. Spartan198 (talk) 22:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)