Talk:Cutthroat trout

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Proposed merger
I propose that the content of Coastal cutthroat trout be merged into this article. The result would be a more comprehensive, less fragmented experience for the reader and would simplify article maintenance and monitoring. Please discuss, here. &mdash; Dave (Talk | contribs) 20:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I am very against that as the Coastal Cutthroat represents one of the four major subspecies of cutthroat trout and should retain a page with information about it. Gary


 * I'm not suggesting removing any information, merely relocating it from that page to this one. I really sort of figured that it would be a lot easier to maintain the article if the type subspecies was discussed on the species page although I can also see some sense in having each of the subspecies with their own page. That's why I posted this proposal -- to get as many points of view as possible. Cheers! &mdash; Dave (Talk | contribs) 14:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * IMO all subspecies should be treated together, there is also Greenback cutthroat trout that should be merged if merge there is. Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 20:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Strongly oppose merger. This subspecies is important for its conservation status and limited range and I agree with Gary that this subspecies deserves its own page. Lets not dumb down wikipedia. Cdcdoc (talk) 17:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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Preparing article for GAN
In preparing the article for a Good Article nomination, I've removed this content (while incorporating relevant aspects in other text). Since the article is not about the Beaver, this content, although well sourced is more relevant to the Beaver article, especially the second half. Beaver (Castor canadensis) appear to be beneficial to cutthroat trout populations. During periods of drought beaver ponds may provide important refugia for cutthroat trout. In areas where winter ice may kill fish, deep water provided by beaver ponds provides critical over-wintering habitat where cutthroat may aggregate in large numbers. In a meta-review of studies claiming that beaver dams act as fish passage barriers Kemp et al. found that 78% of these claims were not supported by any data. In a 2013 study of passive inductive transponder (PIT)-tagged Bonneville cutthroat trout (O. c. utah) and brook trout (Salvelinus fontinalis) in Utah, both of these fish species crossed beaver dams in both directions, including dams up to 2 m high.

--Mike Cline (talk) 16:22, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Tributaries
I'm a bit confused about usage here. I understand how a river can be a tributary of the Pacific Ocean, and maybe the Great Basin, but how can something be a tributary of the Rocky Mountains? Lesgles (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Clarified this a bit by adding "the rivers of the" --Mike Cline (talk) 20:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that helps.

Canada
Is there a map of its range in Canada? Brutannica (talk) 21:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Indeed there are plenty of maps showing cutthroat trout ranges in Canada, but none that have been made available in the public domain or creative commons that I can locate. --Mike Cline (talk) 12:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Clarkii/Clarki
Is the species clarki or clarkii? ITIS says under Oncorhynchus clarki "invalid - unavailable, literature misspelling". Richardson also seems to use clarkii. Lesgles (talk) 00:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess it depends on the source since the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service uses one "i"......like here. So long as this article has consistency in whether it uses one or two "i", unless we can find an absolutely authoritative source to reference.--MONGO 01:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I guess my preference would be for the original namer's spelling, but I don't know much about the rules of fish taxonomy. Perhaps someone will come along with an absolutely authoritative source. Or if the two spellings are equally acceptable, it might be good to note it at some point in the article. Lesgles (talk) 15:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we need to ask on this, as he did the bulk of the work and has the source material.  The article is pretty consistent as far as I can see in using "clarki", but several of the sources say "clarkii."  I think it's Mike's call.   Montanabw (talk)  00:24, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Several places list "clarki" as invalid/misspelled, same for the subspecies spellings which use "clarki".   I don't know when it arose, but the misspelling somehow persisted in circles with this fish. The nomenclatural epithet "clarkii" is from what I understand, for the naturalist John Henry Clark, and William Clark.  Esox  id talk•contribs 21:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry to drag this back up but ref 3 has Clarkii while ref 4 has Clarki, both from the same source. Jodosma (talk) 15:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's fixed now. Jodosma (talk) 08:49, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Changes?
Per WP:BRD, an editor is attempting to make changes to this article without discussion citing changes to other WP articles, saying the information is more recent. The changes are not of featured article quality but there may possibly be updated information that should be considered. Pinging the lead editors and reviewers of this article  to review the material, the sources and per WP:BURDEN, asking that the editor  adding this material explain why it needs to be added, with the caveat that one wikipedia article is not a source for another, we need the source material. Montanabw (talk) 02:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure...I'll look it over but probably not in detail for a day or two....Mike is the trout-master though....me thinks he might be part fishman.--MONGO 19:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I hope I have given the references clearly, which is my burden. I have not understood that there would be different principles of editing featured vs. other articles, or any ranking among editors. Mentioning other articles in edit summary was meant to referring to the published sources given in those articles, sorry if that was unclear. - Olaff (talk) 16:00, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Best not to go around changing reference names, it can really mess up the footnoting. If I were you, I'd explain what you are doing and let the other editors respond before you do it. Featured Articles have already gone through an extensive review process and while any article can be improved, featured article improvements should be discussed - some things are the way they are for a reason.   Montanabw (talk)  11:14, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * As far as I see I have not changed reference names, but rather given name tags to unnamed references that are used repeatedly, and added information (from those references) that clarify the current understanding of distribution ranges and changing views on taxonomy; that seems appropriate? Now (again) I suggest to make these changes to the version you obviously have accepted. The grounds for them are the information in the given published references, which is the practice here. Please tell if there is a reason not to include that modern information; I would understand that is your burden. Particularly, please check if the opening sentence of the Subspecies chapter is accurate (is this the proper source for the number 14?). Olaff (talk) 18:50, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The case was introduced for discussion 5.5 months ago, and no comments on the actual contents or the wording have been presented (whereas three wholesale reverts occurred meanwhile). So the changes might be considered uncontroversial now. Olaff (talk) 21:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * and can review your changes.  I am not convinced that you improved anything and there seems to be no reason to change the names of the references.  However, if no one else cares, it's not my battle.   Montanabw (talk)  03:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit reverts by Montanabw
The Schullery refs do not link directly to Nature and Culture at Fishing Bridge but to the Yellowstone National Park home page and some searching is required by the reader to get to Nature and Culture at Fishing Bridge, by first of all clicking on History and Culture on the home page then searching the new page for Nature and Culture at Fishing Bridge which is listed under the heading Publications About Yellowstone History. Only then does the reader reach the cited source. My edits directed the reader straight to Nature and Culture at Fishing Bridge without having to do any more searching. The other edits I made were simply to combine identical repeated refs to avoid their unnecessary repetition. And finally to remove the small formatting from the Guptil quote which I feel is unnecessary and looks much better full size. I sincerely hope I didn't upset anyone because I want to suggest some more changes. Jodosma (talk) 09:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, I'll let weigh in, he was lead editor on this article, I just did some FAC reviewing.  If he's OK with it, I'm OK with it.  But the point is that this a featured article, so all substantive changes have to keep the article FAC quality.   Montanabw (talk)  23:58, 28 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I noticed that ref 77 no longer leads to the Schullery quote. Not good. Jodosma (talk) 21:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


 * So someone should probably run it through Wayback and get the archive link. I'm a bit busy but if it is something others don't know how to do, let me know. Montanabw (talk) 21:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Jodosma (talk) 09:58, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing style
I suppose, and  may be the most interested but I welcome anyone's views. I "borrowed" Cutthroat trout and made a subpage so I could make some changes. I've used harv style referencing on a lot of the refs so they are all linked to the relevant sources in a new Sources section. It can be seen at User:Jodosma/Cutthroat trout.

I realise this is a featured article and haven't altered any of the content, although I have removed the small formatting from the Guptill ref. I also realise that Mike Cline is not keen on the sfn/harv style but hope he will reconsider. Many featured articles use this style; it avoids a lot of repetition. Please have a look and let me know what you think. Jodosma (talk) 13:18, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not a huge fan of the Harvard referencing style. It uses less space in the editing window and has a somewhat tidy appearance, but this article hasn't been featured that long comparatively to many others so I do not see any reason to switch what passed FAC not too long ago.--MONGO 09:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * There is no rule on preferring one citation style over another; what I can say is that citation style needs to be consistent, and here, in the case of a featured article, should NOT be changed without consensus.  Montanabw (talk)  20:13, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hello?!,
Is that photo for Cutthroat trout (see below) the same painting (photo thing) that I saw in The Scouting Guid to Basic Fishing by Wade Bourne? The photos look (to my human eye) the exact same thing. If they indeed are, I am genuinely concerned, for in the copyright of the book The Scouting Guid to Basic Fishing, it says quote "'All rights reserved. No part of this book may be reproduced without the express written consent of the publisher, except in the case of brief excerpts in critical reviews or articles.'" I looked, and found no context allowing usage. Cheers,User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 01:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)