Talk:Cutting the Mustard/Archive 1

Created
Created new article on this book about freedom of speech and affirmative action.

Still in the process of additional research.

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:03, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Notices posted
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Cheers,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:24, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Additional book reviews
I haven't yet been able to get the full text of the following book reviews:



Would appreciate any help getting access to those reviews,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:25, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you're not able to get them by the time you need them and I'll give it a go Eye close font awesome.svg czar  ♔  04:57, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much,, most appreciated, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 06:17, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hopefully once we get more of these book reviews onboard in the article I'll feel more comfortable that this article is ready for WP:GAN consideration. :) &mdash; Cirt (talk) 18:09, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Got access to California Lawyer and Women's Rights Law Reporter. Working the other one. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Nominated for GA
I've put up this page for GA consideration.

Still in the process of additional ongoing research for secondary source discussion, but it's ready at this point to join the queue. :)

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Subtitle
Shouldn't the article be at Cutting the Mustard per WP:SUBTITLE? czar ♔  06:13, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion,, but I had the title here as Cutting the Mustard: Affirmative Action and the Nature of Excellence because "cutting the mustard" is a common idiom in and of itself. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 09:18, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be confused since the M is capitalized, but anyway, the title is still unwieldy with the subtitle. I was going to suggest a fix so I just boldly did it myself. Cut the mustard (the idiom) now exists, so "Cutting the Mustard (book)" is a good target for this article, per the disambig and subtitle standards. The subtitle is too long for users to find directly. czar ♔  14:17, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅, moved, to Cutting the Mustard (book), per suggestion by, above. Hopefully this is now satisfactory. :) Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 14:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

, there is another nonfiction book by same title, Cutting the Mustard by James B. Carpenter (1982). Can we therefore move this page back to its full title, with subtitle, please ? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 07:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The way I understand it, if that book were to receive its own page, it would be "Cutting the Mustard (Heins book)" (or a variant whereof, perhaps using years) and this article would become "Cutting the Mustard (Carpenter book)" (the idea behind the subtitle guideline being that the common name for a book usually doesn't include the long subtitle). I'll ask GOF what meant by me not "reading the guideline". The use of the full title as disambiguation was not meant for full titles of this size but instead for things like Cheese: A Love Story, where "Cheese (book)" would not be a useful title. "Cutting the Mustard (book)" or "Stolen Childhood" are both specific/useful enough to not require such treatment. czar  ♔  12:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , I've had trouble copy/pasting hyperlinks to friends when the Wikipedia article ends in a parentheses. They end up getting a broken link, without the last parentheses. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 14:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm curious why that'd be. And it would seem more of a design flaw with the receiving application (or with Wikipedia's URL formatting) than a fault of the disambiguation system, no? czar ♔  14:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, perhaps. It still can be most frustrating. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 14:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Additional potential sources



 * alternate link

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 18:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Promoted to GA quality
This article had a GA Review and was successfully promoted to GA quality. Review is at Talk:Cutting the Mustard (book)/GA1. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 19:05, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Posted to Guild of Copy Editors
I've requested an edit for this article from the Guild of Copy Editors, more info at WP:GOCE. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 19:09, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Copy edit pass was started by . Unfortunately due to actions of, it seems has halted the copy editing process, diff. Hopefully the copy editing by  will continue soon to a satisfactory conclusion. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:27, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Copy edit now ✅ by . &mdash; Cirt (talk) 08:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Subsection headers in Content sect
For this rationale, they should be removed.
 * 1) The subsection headers in the Content sect are unencyclopedic and should be removed.
 * 2) They are arbitrary.
 * 3) The titles of these sect headers are the creation of the editor that added them.
 * 4) Therefore, they inject the personal opinion of this editor.
 * 5) This is a violation of WP:NOR.

Thank you,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with the subsection headers, apart from the repetition of the phrase "affirmative action". All the best,  Mini  apolis  13:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, I'll respectfully defer to the wise judgment here of . Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 08:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

These court cases are not about free speech but about affirmative action
Non of the cases cited mention free speech, as far as I can tell. The books mentioned under "Further reading" are all about free speech and are not relevant to the issue of affirmative action. Am I right? Parabolooidal (talk) 16:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed the entire Further reading sect, per above complaints by . Curious, I thought was doing the copy edit for the Guild of Copy Editors, it appears we've picked up a second participant. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. I've removed the entire Further reading sect complained about by, above. I've replaced it with a wholly different Further reading sect relating directly to affirmative action. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)